I think that is the consensus fave solo album nowadays
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 30 January 2023 15:02 (one year ago) link
big fan of Words From The Front - 'True Story' and 'Days On The Mountain' are both amazing! the former has a strange post-punky groove that reminds me more than anything of peak period Simple Minds, and the latter is this epic thing that doesn't really sound like much else but the electronics + guitar do make me think of Bill Nelson
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 30 January 2023 15:05 (one year ago) link
I remember an old girlfriend of mine having "Dreamtime" (and one other I think?) and I remember liking it a lot ... that was a long time ago though!
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 30 January 2023 15:07 (one year ago) link
Vote here for Warm & Cool, which in its way was almost as formative to me as MM (I heard them both around the same time in 93-ish)
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 30 January 2023 15:26 (one year ago) link
i think verlaine's solo career mimics lou reed's in that, as much as critics praised their early bands' work for its experimentalism, they just wanted to play with super-competant musicians who would do what they asked them to do. for better and worse. which is to say that all his solo records would be better as tv records, but you can't hold that against them.
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 30 January 2023 15:47 (one year ago) link
oh great i misspell competent
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 30 January 2023 15:49 (one year ago) link
You substituted an A for Angular.
― The Big O RLY (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 January 2023 15:54 (one year ago) link
haha that's one of those words that makes me stop reading a review. unless patti smith says it or something.
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 30 January 2023 15:58 (one year ago) link
Xpost days on the mountain is really fucking cool on the live CD2 of The Miller’s TaleAlso the title track of words from the front is top 5 verlaine with a holy shit guitar solo
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 30 January 2023 16:26 (one year ago) link
BLIINNNNDDD(shreds)
oh shit yes! how could i forget
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 30 January 2023 16:34 (one year ago) link
Upon the ridge they're dug in deepWe move in waves as if asleepAnd there they lay, 4000 menThe general orders, "Attack again"One of my all time favorite lyrics
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 30 January 2023 16:42 (one year ago) link
Loving the sister ray vibe of the Ain’t that nuthin’ run through on the Rhino compilation.
― Alicia Silver Stone (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 30 January 2023 16:49 (one year ago) link
"A Town Called Walker" boasts "It's not their tricks that I mind/it's just the way they say 'We' all the time," another killer.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 January 2023 16:52 (one year ago) link
My favorite later song of his is "All Weirded Out".
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 30 January 2023 17:03 (one year ago) link
From that album, I think I have to go with documentary, nice actress lovebird asylum seeker and the earth is in the sky
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:08 (one year ago) link
It’s basically an excellent 10 track album that has more than 10 tracks
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:09 (one year ago) link
The solo from The Dream's Dream has been running through my mind all weekend and still won't shift. That's OK.
― Alba, Monday, 30 January 2023 17:17 (one year ago) link
loool
pic.twitter.com/UsQT48307I— Marc Masters 🌵 (@Marcissist) January 30, 2023
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:21 (one year ago) link
amazing!
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:24 (one year ago) link
Well yeah.
― And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:27 (one year ago) link
lolfunny thing is that Verlaine probably hated being lumped in with "punk" as much as he did with the Dead.
― tylerw, Monday, 30 January 2023 17:29 (one year ago) link
was he a Dead fan? I see people say that they were influenced by the Dead but Deadheads basically claim everything was influenced by the Dead...I always thought some of the further out jams of Quicksilver Messenger Service feel way more proto-Television
of course he might have been a Dead and just got sick of the comparison
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:41 (one year ago) link
Richard Lloyd was definitely into the Dead, he said he saw them a bunch at the Fillmore East in the early 70s. Verlaine, I kind of doubt it, he always said he didn't really have "rock" influences (which is slightly bullshit, but I think it's true that he was more of a jazz guy).
― tylerw, Monday, 30 January 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link
he liked the yardbirds. and 50s tunes with cool production and sounds. a friend once saw him walking down the street holding an album and ventured "hey tom, what record you got there?" tom murmured "everly brothers" and kept walking.
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 30 January 2023 17:49 (one year ago) link
yeah — this WFMU show with him DJ-ing is worth a listen: https://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/17652
(maybe someone already posted it here)
― tylerw, Monday, 30 January 2023 17:51 (one year ago) link
thanks that all scans lloyd vs. verlaine in terms of the dead as well as the yardbirds and 50s stuff
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:51 (one year ago) link
did he ever say whether he liked fairport or not? things like the solo in 'sloth' are some the most proto-television moments i can think of
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:54 (one year ago) link
i think he did end up liking Richard Thompson but professed not to having heard Fairport until after Television broke up. Adventure definitely has some Thompson-esque moments.
― tylerw, Monday, 30 January 2023 17:56 (one year ago) link
Flipping through my social media feeds this weekend, there was a point where I started to feel like I was the only American who didn't run into him book shopping.
Seriously though, the outpouring of love and appreciation was really nice to see. Always kind of held out hope for another Television record someday. Ah well.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 30 January 2023 17:57 (one year ago) link
should also probably mention the Richard Hell comp Spurts which has two Neon Boys songs, one being an early version of "Love Comes in Spurts" in which you can really hear the VU/Electric Dylan influences at the fore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvvh1UZFB68
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 30 January 2023 18:01 (one year ago) link
there allegedly is one in the can, or at least jimmy rip has said something to that effect, but i am not sure what stage of completeness it is in and which guitarists do or don't play on it.
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 30 January 2023 18:02 (one year ago) link
i think some recordings existed before richard lloyd left.
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 30 January 2023 18:04 (one year ago) link
the way i understand it, all that was left to do for a 4th television album was for Verlaine to write lyrics / record vocals. Don't think he ever did, sadly, but I'd love to be proven wrong. On those latter-day tunes that were performed live, you can tell he's singing placeholder lyrics a lot of the time.
― tylerw, Monday, 30 January 2023 18:05 (one year ago) link
i wish jimmy rip had a different name
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 30 January 2023 18:10 (one year ago) link
yeah this is someone on the hoffman forum:
My recollection is that Lloyd kept bothering Tom to get going on recording but Tom resisted. In 2007 both sides had finally had enough.
Ripp replaced him immediately, and suddenly Tom became interested in making another Television album.
In about 2008 the tracks were recorded. They were "complete" except for vocals and Tom's guitar solos. The lyrics and melodies were never actually finalized, let alone recorded.
And that's where the project has been stalled ever since. All there is, is about a dozen backing tracks that probably no-one would be that interested in hearing twice.
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 30 January 2023 18:11 (one year ago) link
I mean, yeah, that whole "except for vocals and Tom's guitar solos" significantly reduces my interest in hearing them.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 30 January 2023 18:20 (one year ago) link
I'd like to hear them at least once! I said way upthread that their Rhino Handmade CD of Old Waldorf and download were both OOP, but Amazon digital says otherwise (also still has equally splendid RH of Beefheart at My Father's Place, I'm Going To Do What I Wanna Do, so hopefully the Handmade Fugs as well), also OW with first two studio albs as The Complete Elektra Recordings. WLIR My Father's Place show back once again as Live...Long Island 1978.
― dow, Monday, 30 January 2023 19:37 (one year ago) link
Speaking of the Yardbirds, this is from Greil Marcus's eyewitness report (Brixton, '66), posted by birdwistheword on the Jeff Beck thread):
They were both explosive and careful, anarchic and precise. It was an unstable combination of values and it seemed to make every song feel like a risk, where anything could happen.
― dow, Monday, 30 January 2023 20:00 (one year ago) link
compared *Verlaine's* and/or Lloyd's sound, that is.
― dow, Monday, 30 January 2023 20:02 (one year ago) link
patti's tribute:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/02/13/he-was-tom-verlaine
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 30 January 2023 20:29 (one year ago) link
maybe this has already been posted but i hadn't seen it before...
sorry, i can’t help recommending this italian interview tonite – sorry if you already know ithttps://t.co/K3xnItSFd5— ms2 (@marco_ms2) January 30, 2023
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 30 January 2023 21:55 (one year ago) link
p.s. the second half of that clip is a live marquee moon and is an absolute treat for people who wanna watch what tom's hands are doing
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 30 January 2023 21:56 (one year ago) link
also the wire are making alan licht's 2006 interview with him available for free for the next month...
Tom Verlaine (13 December 1949–28 January 2023)Tom Verlaine died on 28 January aged 73. Read Alan Licht’s 2006 cover story on the Television guitarist and singer free in our online library:https://t.co/tZTGj33b4c— The Wire Magazine (@thewiremagazine) January 30, 2023
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 30 January 2023 21:59 (one year ago) link
Oh that patti piece Tears are streaming rn
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Monday, 30 January 2023 22:34 (one year ago) link
goddammit patti <3 ;_;
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 30 January 2023 22:52 (one year ago) link
yeah, that Patti piece is a tearjerker. When she's good, she's good! wow.
― tylerw, Monday, 30 January 2023 22:56 (one year ago) link
really moving, wow
In his final hours, watching him sleep, I travelled backward in time. We were in the apartment, and he cut my hair, and some pieces stuck out this way and that, so he called me Winghead. In the years to follow, simply Wing. Even when we got older, always Wing. And he, the boy who never grew up, aloft the Omega, a golden filament in the vibrant violet light.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 30 January 2023 23:02 (one year ago) link
"Winghead" is in "Little Johnny Jewel", how about that?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 07:30 (one year ago) link