Television

Lovely late afternoon listening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzmFiOLKAwM

Made a mix of cool Television covers: https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2023/01/29/television-tell-a-vision/

I think it does a decent job of showing off what a good pop band they were under the surface. So many hooks!

Friend of mine who's a young musician who worked with Tony Visconti said this in response to my mentioning that Verlaine was supposed to play on the cover but was replaced by Fripp:

"I believe it was less that Bowie was unhappy and more that Verlaine spent the entire studio session trying to find the right guitar tone, as Tony put it to me, “he had 30 guitar amps setups and just kept going around to each one trying to find the right sound. We had to go get lunch at some point and he just kept searching”"

then wrote:

"yeah, Tony couldn’t remember if they had gotten some takes down or not, there may be some Verlaine takes on a tape somewhere. Also, interesting note, Carlos Alomar was the one who suggested they cover the song."

my own cover/tribute of "see no evil" is here, if you can fish it out of this ancient url. tv nerds please hang for the lead, which is a bit of a mashup.
https://tv.obbard.com/tribute/

This is old but new to me, great writing, one of the best things I've read about the band

https://www.theringer.com/music/2022/4/13/23022787/television-marquee-moon-tom-verlaine-richard-hell

Here and there I’ve seen intimations that there are issues with the TV section of From the Velvets to the Voidoids, does anyone know what those might be? Factual issues, or just people hating Clinton Heylin because he’s a jerk?

xpost what a great piece

thx for posting ums!

Really great writer, her band The Paranoid Style is worth checking out too

In recent years I've returned most to the 1992 Television album, which has this sharp crystalline sound like clear skies through huge windows in winter, where you feel heat and cold at once. The current of giddy anxiety running through that record is really special.

I've heard different things about how complete that fourth Television album was. Such things are always ambiguous, but was it close to finished product? I'll check out Thus Sang Freud's link — I think he posted it once before and I never got around to listening, figuring some day I'd hear "definitive" versions. Presumably not now.

Someone on the TV Facebook group also posted this zip file of unreleased songs. Haven't listened yet so not sure how much overlap there is.

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/2aad3be6ea315c9e1be7798818926c0720230129094049/39d21a?fbclid=IwAR1n-3qouesTEK6KIV-AHuyAEvRzzs25TadxK7--xe-VDPAbrnu9wKkRuCM

In recent years I've returned most to the 1992 Television album, which has this sharp crystalline sound like clear skies through huge windows in winter,

yes! Been promoting this album for years

nice comment on times obit:

Book Seller
NJJan. 29
When I moved to New York several years back, I became a daily fixture outside the Strand Bookstore browsing their $1 and $2 books. I would sit along the wall reading and talking with others under the awning watching hours pass as frantic city life continued in the background. Quickly, I got to know everyone who would put in the same amount of hours perusing the book carts (Tom Verlaine was one of them).

I noticed him right away: a tall, commanding presence dressed always in black, often obscured by plumes of cigarette smoke. We would talk more and more and eventually grew to spending hours and hours outside talking to pass the time while waiting for the new arrivals. I had no idea the celebrity he was (just that he was a musician), and never did it come up. Another acquaintance finally let me in on the secret one day, after Tom and I had already shared countless months of near daily conversations.

He was warm, brilliant, and engaging. Always curious about me (with no reason to be) and just curious in general. Oh, and an excellent bookman in addition to his many more obvious talents.

To imagine passing by the Strand and not seeing him is nauseating. He will be sorely missed, and I loved the time we spent together.

<3

Ah, New York...

Ah, humanity

That is fucking wonderful

Good day to dig into the solo albums which I never bothered to go deep into, despite really liking the first one. Penetration on Dreamtime is next-level brilliant.

Wonder if Tom Verlaine bought any books with David Markson's name in them.

Oh Dan you have such riches ahead of you my god

i saw david markson give a talk at the strand once.

Personal ranking:
Flash light
Tom Verlaine
Cover
Dreamtime
‘Lost album’ 1986 (key tracks are on The Miller’s Tale comp)
Songs and other things
Words from the front
The wonder
[ashamed to say I haven’t spent enough time with the two instrumental albums - warm & cool and Around]

The only one there that I consider a dud is the wonder but that might change

Also the live disc appended to The Miller’s tale would probably fall in second place above

Cover and Dreamtime would be a tie

As of today's listen I'm liking Dreamtime more than the first album.

I think that is the consensus fave solo album nowadays

big fan of Words From The Front - 'True Story' and 'Days On The Mountain' are both amazing! the former has a strange post-punky groove that reminds me more than anything of peak period Simple Minds, and the latter is this epic thing that doesn't really sound like much else but the electronics + guitar do make me think of Bill Nelson

I remember an old girlfriend of mine having "Dreamtime" (and one other I think?) and I remember liking it a lot ... that was a long time ago though!

Vote here for Warm & Cool, which in its way was almost as formative to me as MM (I heard them both around the same time in 93-ish)

i think verlaine's solo career mimics lou reed's in that, as much as critics praised their early bands' work for its experimentalism, they just wanted to play with super-competant musicians who would do what they asked them to do. for better and worse. which is to say that all his solo records would be better as tv records, but you can't hold that against them.

oh great i misspell competent

You substituted an A for Angular.

haha that's one of those words that makes me stop reading a review. unless patti smith says it or something.

Xpost days on the mountain is really fucking cool on the live CD2 of The Miller’s Tale

Also the title track of words from the front is top 5 verlaine with a holy shit guitar solo

BLIINNNNDDD
(shreds)

oh shit yes! how could i forget

Upon the ridge they're dug in deep
We move in waves as if asleep
And there they lay, 4000 men
The general orders, "Attack again"

One of my all time favorite lyrics

Loving the sister ray vibe of the Ain’t that nuthin’ run through on the Rhino compilation.

"A Town Called Walker" boasts "It's not their tricks that I mind/it's just the way they say 'We' all the time," another killer.

My favorite later song of his is "All Weirded Out".

From that album, I think I have to go with documentary, nice actress lovebird asylum seeker and the earth is in the sky

It’s basically an excellent 10 track album that has more than 10 tracks

The solo from The Dream's Dream has been running through my mind all weekend and still won't shift. That's OK.

loool

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amazing!

Well yeah.

lol
funny thing is that Verlaine probably hated being lumped in with "punk" as much as he did with the Dead.

was he a Dead fan? I see people say that they were influenced by the Dead but Deadheads basically claim everything was influenced by the Dead...I always thought some of the further out jams of Quicksilver Messenger Service feel way more proto-Television

of course he might have been a Dead and just got sick of the comparison

Richard Lloyd was definitely into the Dead, he said he saw them a bunch at the Fillmore East in the early 70s. Verlaine, I kind of doubt it, he always said he didn't really have "rock" influences (which is slightly bullshit, but I think it's true that he was more of a jazz guy).

he liked the yardbirds. and 50s tunes with cool production and sounds. a friend once saw him walking down the street holding an album and ventured "hey tom, what record you got there?" tom murmured "everly brothers" and kept walking.

yeah — this WFMU show with him DJ-ing is worth a listen: https://wfmu.org/playlists/shows/17652

(maybe someone already posted it here)