Why does anyone like the Fall?

The classic four -- if that's the term -- of KISS all have at least one book if not more.

what's the status of ownership over the Fall catalogue? I've been surprised to find things I expected to be in print OOP, and things that I would not have expected to find plentiful; for instance, Light User Syndrome used to be almost unavailable in the US except as an expensive import, but it's in print and around. Real new fall LP? forget it. Kurious Oranj? nope.

i suppose rights for lots of these reside with the labels who released them last and in some cases those labels don't even exist, and then god knows who he may have signed rights over to in other cases.

In August 2018, Cherry Red Records, The Fall's final label, announced they had purchased the rights to 40 Fall albums from Smith before his death, and plan to release a reissue series and box set sometime in the future.[46]

lol, watch all 40 turn out to be dodgy live recordings and those discs of outtakes that Receiver put out in like 1995 (n.b. I do not actually believe this)

Real new fall LP isn’t in print??? Seriously?

maybe not, but u can still buy it direct from the label on Discogs

https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/1711595512

(well, UK only, but still)

We all know the Fall had 233 members but are there any other groups who've had so many ex-members writing books?

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 28 January 2023 23:46 (yesterday) link

The Grateful Dead you've got at least four I think.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/5-Albums-Box-Set-Fall/dp/B00DJWUJG6/ref=sr_1_1

this cheap 5cd box in the uk has Kurious Oranj in it.

elsewhere Real New Fall LP is like £7

wtf, there are six parts to "Hit The North"?!?!

well, I was looking for vinyl, I should note. I may break down and rebuy some of these on CD (I culled the CD collection a long time ago).

oh yeah the vinyl prices are insane

https://www.cherryred.co.uk/?s=fall&post_type=product&et_search=true

a look on the cherry red website may show what they plan on doing with those 40 albums - sell them on limited, gimmicky vinyl or in huge cd boxes full of filler.

wtf, there are six parts to "Hit The North"?!?!

― sleeve, Sunday, January 29, 2023 7:00 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yep. Not including the instrumental version.

lol, watch all 40 turn out to be dodgy live recordings and those discs of outtakes that Receiver put out in like 1995 (n.b. I do not actually believe this)

― sleeve, Sunday, January 29, 2023 5:55 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Well, the first one "The 70s" is out, and it's two albums, one disc of b-sides and peel sessions, and eight live discs of less than audiophile quality.

I like hit the north part 4 a lot actually. Sort of sounds like one of those extended Happy Mondays dance remixes

Just heard the Britannia Row version of Imperial Wax Solvent and actually prefer the vocal version of Taurig, as well as the more straightforward version of 50 year old man that still has about 3-4 different sections despite being 50% shorter than the album version.

I hope Country on the Click gets an official release. Most of it was improved up on RNFLP, but it’s still interesting and some tracks are plain better (Boxoctosis!)

a look on the cherry red website may show what they plan on doing with those 40 albums - sell them on limited, gimmicky vinyl or in huge cd boxes full of filler.

oh for fuck's sake, those are fucking ridiculous, yeah can we please just have single CD reissues? (or, even better, Bandcamp)

so glad I bought all of this shit already

The (1982) box was alright, but.

Cherry Red did have one massive playlist on Spotify of a great load of the albums

new House Of All preview track "Magic Sound" up now, they certainly are channeling MES here for better or worse

I think it rules, ofc

I highly recommend reading Big Midweek & The Fallen back to back

a 3rd House Of All track is up now, not as impressive as the first two but I am still v much looking forward to this

I just don't buy Bramah as a vocalist, especially on this kind of material. The guy they got in for the Imperial Wax album was much more convincing imo

big shoes to fill, no doubt. loved this quote I read from a review of To Live And Shave In L.A.:

There is something hypnotic about the incantantory, monotonous declamation of the bizarre lyrics, and I can't help noting the resemblance to another notable vocalist named Smith: as with The Fall, there is the literary style and total inscrutability in the lyrics, mannered vocal accent, delerious, repetitive intonation of one line after another, and the sense that the music is somehow actively antagonistic to and tormenting the vocalist instead of "playing along".

someone played a track from the new brix solo album the other day. sounded like adult net perhaps unsurprisingly. wasn't bad.

I love her Adult Net songs

gotta check that out thx for the tip, had no idea

her website has something on it that says it's the 4th single from an album called 'valley of the dolls' which is both unfamiliar and too obvious name.

sounds tells me it was Fast Net that i heard, the 3rd single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzldE-WrOyM

wish this was on Bandcamp, get w/it Brix

That’s pretty good. One of the interesting things I learned from her book is her identification with the psychedelic paisley underground scene and that at a low point she lived above Susanna Hoffs garage and they were close.

Brix was on the Turned Out a Punk podcast with the Fucked Up dude, really interesting story

Being something of a champion of the Lines, would love to hear any stories about how the Adult Net ended up covering White Night, listed as White Night (Stars Say Go) on their release.

released yesterday: 4 Re-Mit outtakes on a red 10 inch : O-Mit https://www.cherryred.co.uk/product/the-fall-o-mit-10-ep/

I like it, particularly "A Disco (City)"

Why does Kylie Jenner and/or her son like the Fall(?)

https://people.com/thmb/vqS4tr01FJ9y_xNIfTgCahBjd3U=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():focal(771x1101:773x1103):format(webp)/Kylie-Jenner-instagram-071523-05-aa82a8358c3c4cacb13b1e34d1552fe0.jpg

because they are part of america therein

the kid likes to play "Hit the North" (involves beating on his cousin, North West)

Apart from not consulting, paying, or even sending a copy to any of the people playing on it, it looks like they have, yes. https://t.co/cqZBQISvet

— Paul Hanley (@hanleyPa) August 19, 2023

MES signed away all rights multiple times, aiui

Performance rights of his band? That's possible?

They were probably paid like employees. As frustrating as MES many dealings have been and as little respect he’s shown to the various musicians who were the Fall, this is not at all unusual. But as a onetime label owner it boggles my mind that so many labels are happy to officially license master recordings from whomever owns the rights without at least checking in with the artists themselves, seeing how they feel about it and seeing what you can do to get their involvement and perhaps even some money.

Yeah not especially unusual that musicians don't have any ownership of the master recordings of records they played on... but for companies putting out reissues it should be basic marketing 101 to get send those musicians some product and get their blessing.

how does it work for music/song writers when a reissue is done? is that one of those "you should've read the contract" kind of situations?

Depends on the contract and the publishing rights. If they don’t own the masters and there isn’t a contract stating they’re due royalties from them, they may be screwed. If they own the publishing as songwriters they’re due money.

as an example, the record in question (Perverted By Language), was originally released with copyrights listed as:
Copyright © – Fall Music Publishers Ltd.
Copyright © – Cavalcade (2)

but on the new reissue Hanley posts about, the rights are:
Licensed From – BMG Rights Management (UK) Limited
Distributed By – Music On Vinyl B.V.
Manufactured By – Music On Vinyl B.V.
Phonographic Copyright ℗ – Sanctuary Records Group Ltd.
Copyright © – Sanctuary Records Group Ltd.

and who know what happened in the 40 years in between. the 1998 reissue is copyrighted to Cog Sinister: https://www.discogs.com/release/9005355-The-Fall-Perverted-By-Language but the rights have definitely been with Castle/Sanctuary since 2003 or so.

Hard to see how consulting/getting the blessing of every musician who played on a record would work. As Dave Simpson's book shows, tracking down former members of The Fall is not a straightforward business. And they can't really expect to be given a veto on any aspect of the reissue.

Flashback to Sonic & Jason telling folks to not buy any Spacemen 3 reissues because their old manager owns everything including publishing.