Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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Calzino is correct. For one thing May increased the Con vote. For another, prior to the election she was seen as very strong and unbeatable.

'May was a bad candidate' is re-writing for people who want to attack socialists.

My local Labour MP was doing it at branch meetings, within a couple of months of the election.

the pinefox, Saturday, 28 January 2023 14:03 (one year ago) link

Hyde smugly mocks Corbyn for losing "against the worst candidate and campaign in recent memory" (Theresa May). This was Hyde in March 2017, sharing her sex pest pal predicting that May would "tear Labour to pieces" and that Labour would be lucky to win 100 seats. https://t.co/qgT1pKEnfZ pic.twitter.com/HceoLfMZJ5

— B (@Obsayxx) January 27, 2023



toddlers grasp of the recent past, makes me think I’ve been reading the title of her latest book what just happened?! incorrectly this whole time

piedro àlamodevar (wins), Saturday, 28 January 2023 14:14 (one year ago) link

Well said. Great tweet. The facts are always out there. They always show these people to be wrong.

the pinefox, Saturday, 28 January 2023 14:17 (one year ago) link

The Guardian is oddly obsessed with giving up alcohol. Latest of many recent articles.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/feb/10/i-gave-up-booze-and-am-having-more-fun-than-ever-these-seven-tips-could-help-you-do-the-same

the pinefox, Friday, 10 February 2023 10:51 (one year ago) link

Other great self-care investments include a personal trainer (the equivalent cost of two rounds of drinks a week)

what kind of personal trainer can you get for the equivalent cost of a few bottles of Frosty Jack's Cider? (asking for a friend)

calzino, Friday, 10 February 2023 11:02 (one year ago) link

tbf frosty jack is my actual personal trainer

mark s, Friday, 10 February 2023 11:07 (one year ago) link

affordable ice cold refreshment while you train, sounds like a winning "best of both worlds" option that the graun hasn't considered here!

calzino, Friday, 10 February 2023 11:43 (one year ago) link

Surprising as people who work on newspapers have such a reputation for abstemiousness.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 10 February 2023 11:43 (one year ago) link

I gave up booze for almost the entirety of the lockdown and I can honestly say it made absolutely no difference to my health and wellbeing whatsoever. Should I write an article about it for the Guardian?

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 10 February 2023 11:47 (one year ago) link

Yes.

the pinefox, Friday, 10 February 2023 11:57 (one year ago) link

When I had been sober for three months, I received a really big job offer – the sort that warranted a celebration.

I think there is a graun editorial rule that there are quotas of smug self-satisfaction per article that have to be met.

calzino, Friday, 10 February 2023 12:03 (one year ago) link

i can meet them!

mark s, Friday, 10 February 2023 12:09 (one year ago) link

that's just the Frost J talking

calzino, Friday, 10 February 2023 12:10 (one year ago) link

I now have a version of Phuture's "Your Only Friend" running in my head that starts with "THIS IS FROSTY J TALKING"

satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 February 2023 12:29 (one year ago) link

Earlier this week I was called by a Daily Mail journalist who told me Cohen had explained the messages he had sent on social media to a junior female colleague offering to take and send photographs of his penis as a "joke".

— Jo Maugham (@JolyonMaugham) February 11, 2023

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 11 February 2023 15:42 (one year ago) link

Fair play to the windmill fucker, he’s refused to leave this one alone.

here you go, muttonchops Yaz (gyac), Saturday, 11 February 2023 17:31 (one year ago) link

I gave up booze for almost the entirety of the lockdown and I can honestly say it made absolutely no difference to my health and wellbeing whatsoever. Should I write an article about it for the Guardian?

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, February 10, 2023 11:47 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

This could work if you also took up wild swimming?

djh, Saturday, 11 February 2023 19:02 (one year ago) link

Thank you to those who are reading and commenting on this thread. I've been working on this for over a year and, unless stuff gets reported, I am going to start naming names. https://t.co/EyalJxcKMR

— Jo Maugham (@JolyonMaugham) February 12, 2023

good luck to maugham in his quest to destroy the entire rotten media establishment

ufo, Sunday, 12 February 2023 07:46 (one year ago) link

I don't agree with his fox killing policy, but I doooo agree with his Nik Cohen killing policy

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Sunday, 12 February 2023 09:51 (one year ago) link

how is Cohen's health? He resigned from GMG on 'health grounds' yet still seems to be knocking out substacks (wtf they are!) and Spectator articles at a fair rate. Another example of how shite "cancel culture" is at actually cancelling confirmed miscreants.

calzino, Sunday, 12 February 2023 10:14 (one year ago) link

i'm just boggled that people are so starved of spiteful centre right horseshit that they feel the need to pay for extra shovelfuls

satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 February 2023 10:16 (one year ago) link

Windmill on a mission is a tune we can all dance to tho

satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 February 2023 10:16 (one year ago) link

Bit bemused about the column in yesterday's Feast about what to do with leftover wine.

djh, Sunday, 12 February 2023 13:35 (one year ago) link

making ice-pops with it for the next heatwave?

calzino, Sunday, 12 February 2023 13:53 (one year ago) link

wtf is leftover wine?

satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 February 2023 14:34 (one year ago) link

Well, exactly.

djh, Sunday, 12 February 2023 14:50 (one year ago) link

Such a stupid column. Man U being owned by the weird American Glazers was utterly dysfunctional too. But Americans respect human rights, apparently, so that's ok?

The fact that the fans won't care if Man U win the title again under Qatar or whoever isn't actually dealt with.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2023/feb/17/qatar-buying-manchester-united-would-be-a-disaster-just-look-at-the-state-of-psg

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 February 2023 15:30 (one year ago) link

my experience of football fan Twitter is there's a vocal contingent of fans who wouldn't care if their club was owned by Nazis if they bought players and won stuff

satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 18 February 2023 15:36 (one year ago) link

Also Paris is not a one city club, as my recent visit to Red Star FC's ground to buy one of their beanie hats proves. I would have gone to a game but they're playing behind closed doors at the moment due to fan "misbehaviour".

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 February 2023 16:15 (one year ago) link

Actually, what is a one-city club?

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 February 2023 16:15 (one year ago) link

A one-club city

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 February 2023 16:21 (one year ago) link

my experience of football fan Twitter is there's a vocal contingent of fans who wouldn't care if their club was owned by Nazis if they bought players and won stuff

― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 18 February 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Yes, I see a spectrum in twitter or outside from: a resignation to an acceptance that this is how it is, to the attitude you describe.

And I think Gulf states using 'soft power' tactics could be argued as being similar to how the West used this tactic in the cold war tbh. Does need more thinking about than Ronay is capable of.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 February 2023 16:27 (one year ago) link

(xp) He says one-city club in the article.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 February 2023 16:35 (one year ago) link

Football fans as a cohort generally pretty awful though. Got a rapist on the team? Who cares if he’s clapped, just tweet your little 🐐 emojis and shout down everyone who’s got a problem with it. Homophobia, HAHAHAHA FUCK YOU THE GAME’S ON.

here you go, muttonchops Yaz (gyac), Saturday, 18 February 2023 16:50 (one year ago) link

speaking of 'phobia, I thought this being front-page (for me) was pretty rich: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/17/new-york-times-contributors-open-letter-protest-anti-trans-coverage

rob, Saturday, 18 February 2023 17:31 (one year ago) link

Tom D: FWIW Paris used to have Racing Club Paris, who were renamed Matra Racing Paris after their sponsors in the 1980s. I went to see them. Maxime Bossis, Enzo Francescoli and I think even Pierre Littbarski played for them for a while. They were very much PSG's local rivals at the time. They played in the Parc des Princes. But perhaps that club is now vanished.

the pinefox, Saturday, 18 February 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link

Actually Racing Club still exist though they're based in Colombes, which is a suburb of Paris... but then there's Paris FC who do play in Paris. Any way you look at it, one-city club or one-club city, he's talking out his arse.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 February 2023 18:30 (one year ago) link

Ah ok lol, missed that on my skim of the piece.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 February 2023 18:49 (one year ago) link

There's also fourth-tier US Créteil-Lusitanos in the south-east of Paris, although their attendances aren't that high.

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Saturday, 18 February 2023 19:53 (one year ago) link

speaking of 'phobia, I thought this being front-page (for me) was pretty rich: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/17/new-york-times-contributors-open-letter-protest-anti-trans-coverage

this is just the classic issue of the us guardian being much better than the uk parent

ufo, Saturday, 18 February 2023 20:53 (one year ago) link

Personally I'm going to be devastated if Qatar buys United. Sure the Glazers are likely hateful people with terrible opinions and no doubt enthusiastic supporters of the worst excesses of capitalism, and yes the US has a shameful record for human rights (as does the UK) but c'mon... Been a man u fan for ~47 years and I see no real option other than to just walk away from it all if the sale goes through. The thought of supporting another club just doesn't feel right at all, my heart would just not be in it. The worst of it is that foorball-wise the club seems to have turned the corner at last and it's been an absolute joy seeing Marcus flourishing again. Fucking bollocks.

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Saturday, 18 February 2023 21:06 (one year ago) link

"but c'mon..."

Go on...My reaction was to Ronay's piece. I'm interested to know why does this cross the line.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 February 2023 21:13 (one year ago) link

it's the link between the buyers and the qatari state and their policy of persecuting gay and trans people. I mean would fucking live it if I could dismiss this somehow but I just can't do it with a good conscience. I dunno. Was there a big outcry when the UAE sponsored arsenals stadium? Or is there a weaker link between the airline and the state?

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Saturday, 18 February 2023 21:21 (one year ago) link

love not live obv

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Saturday, 18 February 2023 21:22 (one year ago) link

Personally I'm going to be devastated if Qatar buys United. Sure the Glazers are likely hateful people with terrible opinions and no doubt enthusiastic supporters of the worst excesses of capitalism, and yes the US has a shameful record for human rights (as does the UK) but c'mon... Been a man u fan for ~47 years and I see no real option other than to just walk away from it all if the sale goes through. The thought of supporting another club just doesn't feel right at all, my heart would just not be in it. The worst of it is that foorball-wise the club seems to have turned the corner at last and it's been an absolute joy seeing Marcus flourishing again. Fucking bollocks.


How did you feel about Ronaldo coming back, cos personally that basically killed the club for me. I love Rashford and the guys, but that was so hard.

here you go, muttonchops Yaz (gyac), Saturday, 18 February 2023 22:11 (one year ago) link

Fair enough, Nick. It is the reason Ronay passed by to talk about the Qataris as bad managers, based on PSG.

I just find the debate around sports washing to be somewhat hypocritical. Things have gone down a hole at most big clubs and leagues. ofc Arsenal was criticised for the Rwanda deal but life (or more likely death) has always gone on.

I guess I react because the point of descent has been reached long ago and yet a lot of journalists are reacting now without any kind of acknowledgement because it's yesterday's news xp

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 February 2023 22:24 (one year ago) link

I have watched little football over the last few years partly bcz it got less important for me (though the thing being eaten alive by money didn't help) but I still devoured the last World Cup like I was 13 again because in the end there is still magic in people kicking a ball about.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 February 2023 22:29 (one year ago) link

Yeah that wasn't a good moment and it was a huge relief to be shot of him after a mercifully brief period. Maybe I was a massive hypocrite to continue supporting the team while not endorsing an individual player? I'd have to accept that criticism. Tbh I didn't really take time to learn about Ronaldo's history, I don't really know the particulars of that case. I know more about Greenwood and if he ever ayed for them again, that would be unforgivable. xps

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Saturday, 18 February 2023 22:30 (one year ago) link

Things have gone down a hole at most big clubs and leagues.

Indeed.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 February 2023 22:31 (one year ago) link

I guess I react because the point of descent has been reached long ago and yet a lot of journalists are reacting now without any kind of acknowledgement because it's yesterday's news xp

This is v true and i do feel complicit in partially ignoring it

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Saturday, 18 February 2023 22:36 (one year ago) link


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