Why does anyone like the Fall?

Both Hanley's books, and the other Hanley's other books as well...the history of manchester through song book was fantastic.

ooooh I'll have to read that

reminder that the Hanley bros have a podcast called Oh! Brother where they interview ex Fall members and famous fans about The Fall
can be a bit hit or miss depending on the guest, but e.g. the Marcia Schofield & Grant Showbiz episodes were fascinating

i enjoyed the episodes with eleni poulou and steve albini.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J6cWqgoxJ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8maHil8GKY

i kinda love the episodes with people like Albini because it just turns into famous people interviewing the Hanleys about The Fall.

The Paul Hanley book about manchester (and I loved his Hex Enduction book too) is so great, it goes DEEEEP into Graham Gouldman and 10CC all the way through the 80s, and even the chapter on Joy Division was fantastic, and I say that as somebody who's read a lifetime's supply of books about Joy Division. https://www.amazon.com/Leave-Capital-History-Manchester-Recordings/dp/1901927717

also it's one of those books where the footnotes are extensive and excessive and essential and if you're reading it on kindle app on yr phone it's easy to just ignore them by accident and then have to bo back soon as you realize you have to read them.

Yeah you def have to read both hanleys- Steve’s memoir and Paul’s making of

I also liked brix’s a lot but it’d be understandable if you only read the fall related sections

Have not read renegade because it sounds annoying but the mick middles one was worthwhile as a basic band bio

The Middles book is the only Fall book I didn't like. For basic band bio there's the Simon Ford book which I remember thinking was good enough but it's been a long time since I read it. I will never read Renegade.

I specifically mentioned the Hanley and Wolstencroft books above as they are particularly good on the awfulness of working with MES.

Haven’t read wolstencroft, need to

I thought Steve Hanley’s book was very good. Shifted my perspective a little and I ended up approaching the Fall catalogue in terms of the different line-ups/eras rather than with a focus on MES as the constant.

I found the Wolstencroft one inessential. Entertaining, but kinda "I did some drugs, slept wit a girl, then the next day we travelled to the next town"

We all know the Fall had 233 members but are there any other groups who've had so many ex-members writing books?

Joy Division, basically all but Ian.

That's 75%

Dee Dee, Marky and Johnny Ramone, plus Joey had pme written got him.

Had one written for him.

Krieger, Densmore, and Manzarek all wrote books and then there's No One Here Gets Out Alive.

Sting, Andy and Stewart all wrote books

The classic four -- if that's the term -- of KISS all have at least one book if not more.

what's the status of ownership over the Fall catalogue? I've been surprised to find things I expected to be in print OOP, and things that I would not have expected to find plentiful; for instance, Light User Syndrome used to be almost unavailable in the US except as an expensive import, but it's in print and around. Real new fall LP? forget it. Kurious Oranj? nope.

i suppose rights for lots of these reside with the labels who released them last and in some cases those labels don't even exist, and then god knows who he may have signed rights over to in other cases.

In August 2018, Cherry Red Records, The Fall's final label, announced they had purchased the rights to 40 Fall albums from Smith before his death, and plan to release a reissue series and box set sometime in the future.[46]

lol, watch all 40 turn out to be dodgy live recordings and those discs of outtakes that Receiver put out in like 1995 (n.b. I do not actually believe this)

Real new fall LP isn’t in print??? Seriously?

maybe not, but u can still buy it direct from the label on Discogs

https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/1711595512

(well, UK only, but still)

We all know the Fall had 233 members but are there any other groups who've had so many ex-members writing books?

― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 28 January 2023 23:46 (yesterday) link

The Grateful Dead you've got at least four I think.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/5-Albums-Box-Set-Fall/dp/B00DJWUJG6/ref=sr_1_1

this cheap 5cd box in the uk has Kurious Oranj in it.

elsewhere Real New Fall LP is like £7

wtf, there are six parts to "Hit The North"?!?!

well, I was looking for vinyl, I should note. I may break down and rebuy some of these on CD (I culled the CD collection a long time ago).

oh yeah the vinyl prices are insane

https://www.cherryred.co.uk/?s=fall&post_type=product&et_search=true

a look on the cherry red website may show what they plan on doing with those 40 albums - sell them on limited, gimmicky vinyl or in huge cd boxes full of filler.

wtf, there are six parts to "Hit The North"?!?!

― sleeve, Sunday, January 29, 2023 7:00 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yep. Not including the instrumental version.

lol, watch all 40 turn out to be dodgy live recordings and those discs of outtakes that Receiver put out in like 1995 (n.b. I do not actually believe this)

― sleeve, Sunday, January 29, 2023 5:55 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Well, the first one "The 70s" is out, and it's two albums, one disc of b-sides and peel sessions, and eight live discs of less than audiophile quality.

I like hit the north part 4 a lot actually. Sort of sounds like one of those extended Happy Mondays dance remixes

Just heard the Britannia Row version of Imperial Wax Solvent and actually prefer the vocal version of Taurig, as well as the more straightforward version of 50 year old man that still has about 3-4 different sections despite being 50% shorter than the album version.

I hope Country on the Click gets an official release. Most of it was improved up on RNFLP, but it’s still interesting and some tracks are plain better (Boxoctosis!)

a look on the cherry red website may show what they plan on doing with those 40 albums - sell them on limited, gimmicky vinyl or in huge cd boxes full of filler.

oh for fuck's sake, those are fucking ridiculous, yeah can we please just have single CD reissues? (or, even better, Bandcamp)

so glad I bought all of this shit already

The (1982) box was alright, but.

Cherry Red did have one massive playlist on Spotify of a great load of the albums

new House Of All preview track "Magic Sound" up now, they certainly are channeling MES here for better or worse

I think it rules, ofc

I highly recommend reading Big Midweek & The Fallen back to back

a 3rd House Of All track is up now, not as impressive as the first two but I am still v much looking forward to this

I just don't buy Bramah as a vocalist, especially on this kind of material. The guy they got in for the Imperial Wax album was much more convincing imo

big shoes to fill, no doubt. loved this quote I read from a review of To Live And Shave In L.A.:

There is something hypnotic about the incantantory, monotonous declamation of the bizarre lyrics, and I can't help noting the resemblance to another notable vocalist named Smith: as with The Fall, there is the literary style and total inscrutability in the lyrics, mannered vocal accent, delerious, repetitive intonation of one line after another, and the sense that the music is somehow actively antagonistic to and tormenting the vocalist instead of "playing along".

someone played a track from the new brix solo album the other day. sounded like adult net perhaps unsurprisingly. wasn't bad.

I love her Adult Net songs

gotta check that out thx for the tip, had no idea

her website has something on it that says it's the 4th single from an album called 'valley of the dolls' which is both unfamiliar and too obvious name.

sounds tells me it was Fast Net that i heard, the 3rd single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzldE-WrOyM

wish this was on Bandcamp, get w/it Brix