John Cale S/D

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I like this album. I listened to the whole thing very loudly on a long road trip over night. It's a whole vibe. Smokey, night time, solitude. Kind of what I hope new Peter Gabriel sounds like as far as production/programming. Nothing sounds cheesy. He's got great taste in sounds.

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 26 January 2023 15:54 (one year ago) link

agree. I’m enjoying it.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 26 January 2023 17:23 (one year ago) link

I'm not crazy about the backgrounding of female vocalists. You got Natalie Mering on board and you mix her down?

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 January 2023 17:41 (one year ago) link

I'm looking forward to the Jokermen podcast episode on this (they've been going through every Lou Reed and John Cale album, and it's been revelatory for me as far as Cale).

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2023 17:44 (one year ago) link

Thanks for the tip. The Honi Soit episode is hilarious!

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 29 January 2023 17:37 (one year ago) link

Wait what?

The Big O RLY (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 January 2023 17:49 (one year ago) link

Meaning I need to listen to that

The Big O RLY (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 29 January 2023 19:36 (one year ago) link

if any of you are on rateyourmusic, please find "vintage violence" and downvote baroque pop as a genre. what the hell are they thinking lol.

houdini said, Sunday, 29 January 2023 22:58 (one year ago) link

instantly my favorite album of the year, but i smoke weed and love laurel halo

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 29 January 2023 23:32 (one year ago) link

^^New Borad Description?

New Brad Description

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 January 2023 23:58 (one year ago) link

Lol

The Big O RLY (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 January 2023 00:01 (one year ago) link

thanks for the laurel halo recommendation I have not delved there

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 30 January 2023 01:21 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

This one I liked on first hearing g but it is the proverbial “grower”.

Alicia Silver Stone (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 19:42 (one year ago) link

It's growing, yes. While I do not like many of the collaborators IRL, I like how it nudges the late Cale approach. The consistency of prickly tone and mood is a strength here, like Music for a New Society.

bendy, Thursday, 23 February 2023 15:27 (one year ago) link

"Smelling like an old adobe woman..."

Or a William Burroughs playing for lost time.

Huey “Piano” Smithers-Jones (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 February 2023 15:39 (one year ago) link

I put this thing together for Paris 1919's 50th anniversary — a good listen!

https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2023/02/20/youre-a-ghost-john-cales-paris-1919-re-imagined/

tylerw, Thursday, 23 February 2023 19:08 (one year ago) link

sick!

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 23 February 2023 19:11 (one year ago) link

Cool!

Huey “Piano” Smithers-Jones (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 February 2023 19:37 (one year ago) link

It's growing, yes. While I do not like many of the collaborators IRL, I like how it nudges the late Cale approach. The consistency of prickly tone and mood is a strength here, like Music for a New Society.

― bendy, Thursday, 23 February 2023 15:27 (six hours ago) link

I listened to about half right when it came out and couldn't really hang, I spun it again today and like it more, agree with bendy's assessment

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 23 February 2023 22:13 (one year ago) link

xxxpost Thanks Tyler! Also, that deluxe Paris 1919 I mentioned upthread is worth checking out.

dow, Thursday, 23 February 2023 22:22 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Nice career-spanning overview/interview plus chats with others (set this up as a free gift link so read away).

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 April 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link

Or rather this is something of a follow-on to Zolandz's earlier piece, plus a playlist. Which works!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 April 2023 18:01 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

def a nighttime record but i also listened to it this morning while it was raining and it is exactly like viewing the melted world through a rainy car windshield

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 20 May 2023 17:20 (eleven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Meant to bump after seeing him live in February. This was a gig that was meant to happen in July 2022 but got postponed twice due to illness; no reason to think he doesn’t have a good many years in him but going in I knew there was a decent chance this would be his last uk tour, at least his last time visiting my town.

I only bring this up to emphasise how delightfully he gave us the complete opposite of a greatest hits set. They opened with “jumbo in tha modernworld”, almost everything else was from the new one. They slew tbh! He looked a bit frail at his keyboard peering through his readers at an ipad but the voice is the same as ever. At one point he said “this is an oldie but a goodie” and went into “Antarctica starts here” but a drastic unrecognisable* reworking

There was no encore tho I heard they were coming back on & doing “close watch” when they felt like it, which I would have loved

*not actually unrecognisable that’s just something ppl say about stuff like this (and “heartbreak hotel”) but when he announced this song the guy next to me actually muttered “you won’t bloody recognise it tho”

Grandall Flange (wins), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 16:13 (ten months ago) link

I saw him at Bexhill, really loved it. He played an amazingly loud pablo picasso and a load of hits besides, a few of which (endless plain for fortune, for one) had the melody demolished while others Chinese Envoy were intact and beautiful.

cw, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 16:29 (ten months ago) link

Just looked at a set list and the only old ones at mine were “rosegarden funeral of sores”(!) “guts” “cable hogue” and “half past France” which was the Paris 1919 oldie but goodie I meant to say instead of “Antarctica”

Grandall Flange (wins), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 16:44 (ten months ago) link

Oh there was also “villa albani” from Caribbean sunset!

Grandall Flange (wins), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 16:45 (ten months ago) link

Recent set lists look great, he’s playing “Ghost Story” and “Style It Takes” at some shows.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 16:52 (ten months ago) link

“Style It Takes” is awesome.

CeeLô Borges (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 17:23 (ten months ago) link

I’ll put the Empire State Building on your wall

CeeLô Borges (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 17:37 (ten months ago) link

It’s an all timer as is Chinese envoy!

Grandall Flange (wins), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 17:40 (ten months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Why did I wait until now to listen to this record? I adore it! It feels like walking through a museum exhibit of late-period Destroyer albums, with the ambient sounds of the different galleries bleeding into each other.

The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 28 June 2023 00:56 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QPUwTNtmP8

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 20 August 2023 15:40 (eight months ago) link

Hah, I was just about to post another video from this same exact YouTube user, because he was standing right next to me! He recorded the whole show, and I asked him if he was going to upload it, and he told me the name of his channel. This was the highlight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5TBw9fslBw

At the end, when he was walking out (no encore due to curfew), he looked right at me as I kept applauding, and he came over to the edge of the stage and applauded back! Then he looked up to the crowd, waved, and then headed off stage. I was floating on the air and stayed up listening to Cale records until 4 a.m.

FWIW, this was Cale's first time back in NYC since his two BAM shows in 2017 (one celebrating the 50th anniversary of VU & Nico with an amazing line-up of guests, the other a career retrospective). I was at both of those shows, which I hope were recorded and get released someday. They had a no-phones policy, which a few people broke but I didn't want to risk getting thrown out - I just snuck a few quick 2-second videos and saved them somewhere.

birdistheword, Sunday, 20 August 2023 19:33 (eight months ago) link

(Besides applauding, I may have stood out to Cale because I was the only person wearing a mask - COVID's starting to spike again here in NYC, and I actually know two people whose fathers died from COVID this summer even though they were vaccinated. It's amazing how almost no one is bothering to take any safety precautions.)

birdistheword, Sunday, 20 August 2023 19:35 (eight months ago) link

* floating on air

birdistheword, Sunday, 20 August 2023 19:37 (eight months ago) link

wow that "Hedda Gabler" is great

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Sunday, 20 August 2023 20:00 (eight months ago) link

xxxpost Yeah, it still happens: for instance, Graham Nash and Veronique Sanson said that David Crosby died of Covid, but doesn't seem to have been widely reported. Here in the Deep South, I do see Black adults of various age groups masking, and some (fewer) young and old whites, not many in between. I carry one, or have it around my neck, in case I'm unexpectedly close to someone, in a line or the rows of library computers, while avoiding crowds. Haven't been to a show in quite a while, but would consider it for Cale.

dow, Sunday, 20 August 2023 21:24 (eight months ago) link

hey bird, i was the *other* person in the venue with a mask. it sounds like you were close up though. i was way back on the hill. where it still sounded great and we had a nice view of the visuals.

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 20 August 2023 22:09 (eight months ago) link

i think this might have been cale's only show in the usa this tour. it looks like he's headed back to the uk.

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 20 August 2023 22:46 (eight months ago) link

That's good you're seeing more people wear them, dow. Hopefully it catches on more - did you see that Guardian interview with Steve Albini posted in another thread? It opens with Albini coming in double-masked, which he pulled down only to sip his drink, and he tells the interviewer two of his clients recently cancelled sessions due to getting Covid. I just had a brunch a week or two ago without someone who was sick with Covid a few weeks earlier and said it had been bad. I have elderly relatives I interact with every now and then, so I try to be careful regardless - wearing a mask is like a nothing gesture to me, it actually helps with my allergies so I mind it even less.

And good for you Freud, solidarity! Truth be told, the very back is actually the best spot in terms of sound. I found this out years ago when I went to see a Wilco show - to my surprise I didn't need any earplugs, and not only was the volume perfect, the mix sounded perfect too, with every instrument and especially the vocals sounding crystal clear. It may even be a prime spot for taping if there isn't too much talking around.

Also forgot how intense the audience can be at these shows. Before Tomberlin came on, I overheard a guy ask someone in front of him "would it be okay if you took your hat off?" etc. and the response was "Actually I can't...I have a medical condition" to which the other guy responded "Oh, well I hope you make it through the night!" which obviously didn't go over well.

birdistheword, Sunday, 20 August 2023 22:51 (eight months ago) link

not to turn this into the masking thread but they say if you get covid then the odds of getting long covid are ~10 percent, which to me is huge. long covid sounds deceidedly unpleasant, is uncureable, could be permanent, and could involve brain damage (for which "brain fog" is a friendly euphemism). the odds may be even higher for me personally -- a flu i had years ago triggered my alopecia, and since then i have been hairless from tip to toe ("alopecia universalis" to get technical). i am not interested in finding out what covid would do to me.

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 20 August 2023 23:34 (eight months ago) link

Back to John Cale—- saw him at a BAM gig in Brooklyn , but didn’t make it up there this time for the Park gig. Thanks for videos . Wish he would do more US cities.

curmudgeon, Monday, 21 August 2023 16:11 (eight months ago) link

Cale's voice still seems to be in great shape

tylerw, Monday, 21 August 2023 16:37 (eight months ago) link

wow @ that bowed electric bass in that clip

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Monday, 21 August 2023 18:10 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

hello I am Vintage Violence years old today <3

BIG WHITE CLOUDS are you kidding me

the way Cale writes about this album gives you zero preparation for what it is. he’s like oh its extremely simplistic i was just trying some things like ok sure you humble-ass motherfucker lol

~sneezes a picasso into a kleenex nbd~

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 02:18 (five months ago) link

yeah vintage violence is top-tier

ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 02:56 (five months ago) link

it's so fucking good

budo jeru, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 02:58 (five months ago) link


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