LOL David Crosby replaced by horse: NOTORIOUS BYRD BROS. POLL

Crosby's "Triad" is corny, the Airplane's is creepy but in an ominous, haunted way.

it's such a bad song

When I learned about "Triad" two decades ago, imagine my disappointment on realizing it wasn't two guys and a girl! I thought, what a crock of shit the '60s were. Some liberation!

Yup. Maybe related, I've known a lot of Deadheads who were either very liberal and very libertarian, and when you sort of reverse engineer that, I want to say it's an edifying look at the counterculture. It's not a case of certain factions "selling out" later in life, it's more a reflection of how certain aspects of the counterculture were processed differently, in many cases for very selfish or self-serving reasons, and sexual liberation was absolutely exploited.

that should be "very liberal OR very libertarian"

Richard Brody's Godard biography mentions French radicals in the 70s signing petitions against the age of sexual consent, the argument being that it was another limitation against the young by The Man.

yeah all your french theory faves are implicated in that shit and I know it was in the air more generally (semi-toleration of nambla within gay lib is a shameful episode) but also wtf is the deal with france and consent

this is way off topic, I've been wanting to start a thread about the intersection of politics and music in 60s/70s counterculture for a while because it seems like it was such a big deal (lennon rejecting/endorsing mao! jagger repudiating private property!) that gets reduced to an embarrassing footnote by most rock writers these days (even though the whole idea of rock as revolutionary doesn't make much sense without it) but it's such an unwieldy multifaceted topic it's hard to know where to begin

Lots of the guys of that era (all eras really but this was an advantageous one for them) strike me as not liberal or libertarian but just apolitically libertine

Have some surface level amoral charisma and go wild under the guise of rebellion. Most direct descendants being your Dov Charney types. Off topic obv.

It would be a great topic to cover but also very difficult one because on an individual level, I get the impression the politics of the time can be very confused. I don't mean that to be entirely critical - again, you have a lot of very young people who were very green about the world jumping into the deep end of unfamiliar intellectual territory. That's a very bold thing to do and very impressive to see on a mass scale, but it also takes a lot of risk into misguided decisions and ideas.

Something that I've read in a lot of accounts of the era was, "our elders told us certain things were forbidden or harmful that weren't, so we thought that nothing they warned us about was true".

Have some surface level amoral charisma and go wild under the guise of rebellion.

cunning con man to his core, manson grokked this instantly

It was a golden age for repulsive predatory creeps tbh.

It's frustrating as someone who loves music to accept how few of these '60s icons gave even a shit about queer politics. It didn't even cross their minds.

[re: "Working Class Hero"] It’s really just revolutionary. I think its concept is revolutionary, and I hope it’s for workers and not for tarts and f*gs. I hope it’s what “Give Peace A Chance” was about, but I don’t know.

one of the first results for this on google is some homophobic lefty blog citing it quote approvingly in 2016. because millionaire rockstars are more authentically proletarian than queers and whores. right on lennon great legacy

that kind of macho radchic socialism feels pretty far removed from the proto-californian ideology libertarian shit mentioned above but it all came from the same soup

Never knew how to take "Artificial Energy"'s lyric about killing a queen.

I assumed it was just another 60s cliche placeholder lyric (a la hey joe) like the ticket to ride reference