Yes - Relayer

"he had the wrong style for the wakeman stuff" = not content to play 30 mins of pisspoor filler arpeggios during the solo spots 😂🤣

(tbf tho i hate him -- rightly and justifably -- everyone is p on point live chops-wise at this time, not always the case by any means)

the tension between the spacey open vocal on the chorus of Parallels and the vroom vroom of the bass says this is maybe Yes's grooviest era

i mean playing in the style of the records, that wembly (?) or big london show they did on the relayer tour, moraz sounds bad on the old stuff but the sound system at the gig was dire tbf. i really like moraz on record, i'm neutral to wakeman in his first go round with yes but yeah he def got worse as the years went on

somewhere (presumably on ilx) i read that moraz had great difficulty staying in tune live -- which is an equipment issue of course not strictly a chops issue -- which wd def fvck up the many passages of keyb sound-colour in the hits, plus of course the fans will always be rise-of-skywalker abt the songs they feel they know and own

as with wembley, bingley hall is also a huge hollow echoey space but i wasn't remotely competent to judge such matters at the time and in fact don't recall this aspect of things one bit

I'll take Wakeman's live fiddly arpeggios over Moraz' "squeeeeee!!" pitch wheel fusionisms. Though I like both keyboardists fine in Yes.

ACAC (all capes are cool)

i listened to a fair amount of the relayer tour live shows this afternoon and
(i) yes there are definitely tuning problems tho it's hard to pin down who's causing them
(ii) moraz has a jazzy tuning palette at figners end that definitely fvcks with anderson's and howe's normal pretty-chords zone of engagement (the kind of thing that can be kept tidy in the studio bcz there you can add the keybs late in the mix)

#notallcapes

Moraz probs would have worked better with Broof on drums. Yesshows is the best live albums of theirs don't you think? Who the hell is doing the weird yelps during the freak out part of Ritual Nu Sommes De Solei!?!

i only started down this long road yesterday -- i do not yet have well developed opinions!

im only really discussing patrick moraz bcz this is the relayer thread and i feel it is incumbent on us all

Yesshows is great, always assumed White was the yelper but i have nothing to back this up

anderson's and howe's normal pretty-chords zone of engagement

That's not entirely fair, they wrote "The Ancient" on Tales, and the weird cadenza in the middle of "Sound Chaser" is 100% Howe.

Wow this remastered footage!!! (With Moraz)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeEqWLpcwiY

hell yeah, that is awesome. are there any full shows out there with Moraz? I don't think anything was released officially but there's probably a good quality boot out there. I did recently see a cool video of him soloing at the end of "Long Distance Runaround" and he plays a lot of quotes from the Refugee album. it's really neat. wonder how many in attendance recognized what he was doing.

That whole QPR show is on YouTube it's AWESOME

wow yeah you aren't kidding. what a crazy setlist too. Moraz definitely has his hands full.

I hope the entire QPR set gets remastered by this dude. Great job!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz3jBBKSkTk

dope af