Channel 5 with Andrew Callaghan (fka All Gas No Brakes)

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perhaps it's an "as a me" rather than an "as a father"

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conrad, Friday, 13 January 2023 19:47 (one year ago) link

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That's valid, but we're moving away from the crucial point that the father/daughter statement isn't really about being a parent (though I agree with forks on that aspect), it's about gender and othering. Why do you relate to the abstract category of "woman" differently after you've fathered a woman? Why didn't that happen when you partnered with one? Or via the relationship with your own mother? When you hear about men being assaulted does that feel different from hearing about women (and if so, why)?

rob, Friday, 13 January 2023 20:02 (one year ago) link

sure but parenthood IS different than those things, when your kid gets hurt and goes to the ER it's a hundred times worse than having to go for yourself even though you aren't feeling any actual physical pain, which I don't think you would say about your black friends or gay cousin. totally agreed that saying it out loud isn't ever really helpful but I'll still defend Tim Heidecker here because he clearly just doesn't know what to say besides "I believe them and we aren't working with him anymore"

frogbs, Friday, 13 January 2023 20:08 (one year ago) link

That's valid, but we're moving away from the crucial point that the father/daughter statement isn't really about being a parent (though I agree with forks on that aspect), it's about gender and othering. Why do you relate to the abstract category of "woman" differently after you've fathered a woman? Why didn't that happen when you partnered with one? Or via the relationship with your own mother? When you hear about men being assaulted does that feel different from hearing about women (and if so, why)?

I mean if it happened the other way around I'd probably feel the same way but when you're talking about this sort of sexually predatory behavior it is like 99% men. either way idk if it's so much that you "relate to women" now as it is the idea of someone taking advantage of your child in a way that scars them is a sickening and infuriating thought, as is the thought that Callaghan was only like 17 when he started doing this which is still pretty damn young, and it also terrifies me to think my son could somehow turn out that way

frogbs, Friday, 13 January 2023 20:19 (one year ago) link

Oh, well tbc, thinking about the actual parenting aspects of this problem seems like a normal, good, and responsible reaction to me!

But that isn't really what saying "as a father of daughters" signifies in the wider world, as La Lechera already addressed. Even if one means it to indicate parental concerns, it would be better to find a more precise way to say that—the shorthand implies a belated and doubtful arrival at basic human empathy, which also inadvertently (?) gives men who aren't parents, including abusers, permission to postpone feeling or acting on that empathy until they're adults, or possibly never.

rob, Friday, 13 January 2023 20:43 (one year ago) link

Well fuck. I was hoping this dude was better than that. Especially as an aspiring reporter working in the social media medium. Kill your idols indeed.

octobeard, Friday, 13 January 2023 23:40 (one year ago) link

he's put out a video response which I watched 10 seconds of it before closing it

Murgatroid, Sunday, 15 January 2023 23:51 (one year ago) link

nm just watched it

better than I expected which is not saying much because the bar was right above the earth's molten core

he asks if his victims would reach out for an apology - well the last time one of them reached out, you framed it as extortion, fuck you

Murgatroid, Monday, 16 January 2023 00:02 (one year ago) link

I thought it was a good apology.

hrep (H.P), Monday, 16 January 2023 02:26 (one year ago) link

Seemed to take actual ownership which to me, is the only bar for a good apology and sadly is not hit by a lot of celebrities in these situations. If he does what he says he’s going to do re: 12 step, therapy, stepping away from public life, then it seems like he has himself on a good track to change.

hrep (H.P), Monday, 16 January 2023 02:31 (one year ago) link

I don’t know actually, some of the apology is a bit week. this all sucks

hrep (H.P), Monday, 16 January 2023 02:41 (one year ago) link

he also said "I"ve always taken no for an answer"

Number None, Monday, 16 January 2023 09:35 (one year ago) link

ffs this is the #1 thing on Reddit?

Deleting some crap I just tapped, ripping this apart. Fuck him. Yeah he said some of the good things he ought to, in the midst of loads of face saving, self-contradictory nonsense.

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 16 January 2023 13:19 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

jesus, those stories are even worse

frogbs, Saturday, 4 March 2023 19:21 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CurvACkPHln/

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 17 July 2023 23:14 (nine months ago) link

six months pass...

I honestly forgot all about this guy, but one of his videos about the border popped up in the margins of something else I was watching. I have no idea what ultimately came of the accusations or cancellation or rehabilitation, but it looks like he's doing some good work.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 January 2024 03:03 (three months ago) link


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