I have had it up to here waiting for the Beatles catalogue to be remastered

but the beach boys were the first to do it while then whip-snapping back to an earnest singalong about how amazing surfing is

The Prof Stoned guy that someone linked to upthread has now got to Help! and Rubber Soul on his remixing project. I'm on a bit of a Beatles break at the moment so haven't listened to them much, but if you can't wait for Giles Martin to give us a stereo Michelle that isn't hard panned, here you go:

http://www.profstoned.com/search/label/The%20Beatles

Paul McCartney says artificial intelligence has enabled a 'final' Beatles song

Ah, why not.

Slightly stretching it to call this sort of digital clean-up work "AI" but imo there is absolutely no way that we don't get future 'Beatles' songs with deep-faked voices, possibly themselves written by AI. It might not happen in the next 5 or even 10 years but it will happen. I reckon most of the huge, bankable stars of the 20th century will get this treatment. Their grandchildren and great-great grandchildren won't be able to resist. New Elvis songs. New Abba songs. etc

Not just bands that existed, but bands that didn't. If we'll have new "Beatles" songs, there's no reason not to have implausible supergroups with, like, Janis Joplin on vocals and Scott Joplin on piano, feat. Tupac.

In the future portrayed in Margaret Atwood's Oryx and Crake, one could generate deepfake p0rn with, say, Abraham Lincoln and Mae West... that book was published 20 years ago.

Slightly stretching it to call this sort of digital clean-up work "AI" but imo there is absolutely no way that we don't get future 'Beatles' songs with deep-faked voice

yeah that is going to suck, most likely; but AI-aided restoration and cleanup is a very good application of this technology (likewise for video cleanup/upscaling). I was fairly confident this song would wind up seeing the light of day at some point.

Love it when JPM is all, "I wanted to do it, but George wouldn't let me."

that stuff is pretty legit - someone used it to clean up a Genesis concert circa 1973 or so and it looked and sounded amazing.

as far as AI creating "new" Beatles songs or whatever I think it's pretty inevitable, in fact what I'm pretty sure will happen is someone will generate 500 of them and a couple will actually be pretty good and then a band like Pomplamoose will "cover" the AI-generated song in a way that's lavish and expensive and it will maybe even become a hit the same way those Paul Oakenfold remixed Elvis songs were, there will be a lot of handwringing about royalties and the future of music but ultimately I don't see it becoming a regular mainstream thing.

I wonder if by the time we get to the point of everyone on the planet with internet access being able to make any kind of insane art/music/photography/film/animation by typing 'make this thing...' into a laptop, we'll be past the point that anyone will be looking/listening/caring and the 60th Anniversary Vinyl and 8 Track cartridge of The White Album will be about ready to roll out.

Love it when JPM is all, "I wanted to do it, but George wouldn't let me."

― pplains, Tuesday, June 13, 2023 10:08 AM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

That was the thing, if any one member of the Beatles didn't want to do something, then they didn't do it. The first time they went ahead despite a 3-1 vote was when they voted in favor of hiring Allen Klein instead of Lee Eastman to sort out their management.

When they initially tried recording "Now and Then," George was the one who cut the session short, and he hadn't been too keen on the other "new" songs as it was. Now that he's no longer around to have a say, it's kind of a dick move by Paul to "finish" it anyway.

(And if Paul's gonna release stuff George had vetoed, maybe he should finally release "Carnival of Light.")

The first time they went ahead despite a 3-1 vote was when they voted in favor of hiring Allen Klein instead of Lee Eastman to sort out their management.

now and then is a love song to paul so fuck what the dead old man thought about it exit thread

then a band like Pomplamoose will "cover" the AI-generated song in a way that's lavish and expensive

Get my favorite band's name out of your mouth, frogbs

paul's lyrics already sound like they were written by AI, TS: "wonderful christmastime" vs. "The best Christmas present in the world is a blessing"

Wasn't George kind of strong-armed into going on tour with Jimmie Nicol instead of cancelling it?

― Alba, Tuesday, June 13, 2023 10:58 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

None of the Beatles wanted to tour without Ringo, but yes, especially George ("If Ringo's not going, then neither am I. You can find two replacements.") It wasn't that George was outvoted by the others (and I assume Ringo's vote would have been "no"), but that Epstein and George Martin (who chose Nicol, having worked with him) pressured them to do it -- it would only be a few shows (a total of eight out of 30 performances), and they couldn't postpone the tour on one day's notice, Ringo having been hospitalized the day before the first show.

(Fun fact: Nicol's last show with them was 59 years ago today.)

That anecdote about having John, Paul, and George take turns sharing a room with Ringo for the sake of sealing their friendship always touched me.

Just a bad idea all around, especially given the negative reception for the previous two "new" recordings. The "Now and Then" demo is even drearier than "Free As A Bird."

yeah but they will likely clean up both of those other tracks with a remix. I'm fine with this; people have been begging for this track for years. And if they can use some tech to better clean up Lennon's vocals on the other songs, fine.

But can AI de-gate the Jeff Lynne snare?

that stuff is pretty legit - someone used it to clean up a Genesis concert circa 1973 or so and it looked and sounded amazing.

Yeah that one blew my mind when I saw it. I think restoration and "cleaning" up old footage that might otherwise be lost to time is one good use case, but not sure it alone counterbalances all the horrifying shit coming our way in the next decade.

think about all the grainy, low-quality Can footage out there though

Yeah that one blew my mind when I saw it. I think restoration and "cleaning" up old footage that might otherwise be lost to time is one good use case, but not sure it alone counterbalances all the horrifying shit coming our way in the next decade.

― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0)

it's always weird to me when people try to erase the horrific consequences of technology by pointing out the good things that have come out of it!

Yeah I was more just noting that frogbs' use case was actually one of the very few that I'd put in the "pro" column, a use I didn't really think about. But on the balance, I'm just fine with nipping AI in the bud right now even if it means grainy Genesis vids lol.

i deserve to see Game 6 of the 1986 ALCS in 4K dammit

"Carnival of Light" when

More like “Carnival of Shite,” innit?

Being for the Benefit of Mister Shite

guys it's out already

The 56-year wait is over.
On the 20th May 2023, for the first time ever, the complete Carnival of Light session from The Beatles.
#TheBeatles #CarnivalofLight @johnlennon @PaulMcCartney @GeorgeHarrison @ringostarrmusic pic.twitter.com/wsVu5EClNT

— The Beatles (@TheBeatIesOffic) April 20, 2023

waiting for an ai that is capable of covering "carnival of light" based only on the descriptions that exist

Goddamnit you had me for a bit there

Holy shit me too, what are we like..

paul's lyrics already sound like they were written by AI, TS: "wonderful christmastime" vs. "The best Christmas present in the world is a blessing"

I honestly cannot think of a song that connects so completely with how I remember christmas as a kid as Wonderful Christmastime. Even the Peter Serafinowicz skit couldn't smear it for me.

I always liked Free As A Bird, the chorus at least (was cooler on the modern verse, and the Wilburies-esque slide guitar). Never felt too strongly about Real Love until the music teacher at my kid's school had the choir sing it at a concert a year or so back and it just makes me blub ugly tears when I hear it now as a result.

Real Love was always my preferred one of the two; it really does pierce my heart on "seems that all I really was doing was waiting for you". Regina Spektor did a good version that just goes on a bit too long. I don't think anyone notable has ever covered Free As A Bird, have they? They should!

Mine too.

I didn’t think I would, but I think of them as part of the Beatles catalog now. It’s kind of a miracle they threw so much into the Anthology really, I mean George was so done with it all.

Oh geez that was longer ago now than the project was after their breakup.

George didn't have much of a choice about participating in the Anthology, as his film company was about to go bankrupt, and his business manager was stealing from him. I'd argue that George enjoyed it by making the new stuff work for him: he chose the producer, he put his slide guitar all over the songs, and stood up to Paul.

"Real Love" isn't bad - like if I pretend it was a Lennon guest spot on, say, the first Traveling Wilburys album, it would be a stand out - but Jesus, they processed the shit out of Lennon's vocal and it sounds awful compared to the recording used in his own Anthology (and also on Wonsaponatime). I think someone said that the cassette they used was a poor quality dub, i.e. far from the best master now known to exist, and to be fair maybe Lynne was trying to hide that in some way. If anything they should remix that track using the better source tape and use A.I. to help clean it up.

lol George already looks fed up with Paul at 2:30:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQi3UkJbIGM

George would've been happy without the cameras there. And Paul would've been unhappy without the cameras there.

George and Paul said often that so long as they talked about their wives, kids, gardening, anything but The Beatles, really, they were best mates.

Makes sense.

but Jesus, they processed the shit out of Lennon's vocal and it sounds awful compared to the recording used in his own Anthology

this is where the ai-enhanced demixing technology can really work wonders, so I wonder if we'll get remixes of both of these songs.

i'm listening to ram this morning and if you don't think this rules you're trying too hard

oh i see this isn't even where the ram discussion was happening

too many people here preaching practices imo

Now I want to know where the Ram discussion is happening

I’ll talk about Ram all day. Where’s the kettle on the boil there?

Press to Play, y'all.

Rumour has it that Giles Martin is using Peter Jackson's AI stuff to remix the Red and Blue albums to coincide the release of the "new" Beatles track.