It’s almost like good art can bear a multitude of interpretations.
― circa1916, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 23:42 (one year ago) link
But I suspect xyzzz is being a bit troll-y and “ain’t I stinker” about this whole thing so I’m not sure it’s worth engaging with said poster on this topic.
― circa1916, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 23:49 (one year ago) link
2001 elides questions of ownership - who's funding all this?
it's v clear the answer is "the state, in partnership w pan am"-- that is, the good ol mil-ind-com
Kubrick, if not Clarke, might have better anticipated the rise of the despotic billionaire spaceship owner/controller
would this movie really be better if they had howard hughes onboard
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 10 January 2023 23:57 (one year ago) link
should benoit blanc have come too
Ahm sorrih Dave. Ahm afraid ah can't doo that,
― fentanyl young (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 00:03 (one year ago) link
Ah say, ah say, ah say Dave
― Wyverns and gulls rule my world (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 00:04 (one year ago) link
i do p much agree w alphie that the movie's suggestion that specieswide transformation and victory in our historic confrontation with the hal-thing is something we need to go to jupiter for is an opiate, and that in this way the movie's a reflection of the values of the v age it is critiquing. (i mean that's kinda what things... do, tho.) still i enjoy thinking abt that confrontation i guess, and usually do say yes when someone asks if i'd enjoy something i already enjoy but in space.
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 00:12 (one year ago) link
Don’t think he likes to be called that.
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 00:13 (one year ago) link
apologies if so! a hollow voice says doh.
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 00:15 (one year ago) link
wait who are we talking about/to
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 00:30 (one year ago) link
my last was in response to xyzzz re: exploration, space travel, palpitating the pebbles of an alien world etc
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 00:32 (one year ago) link
Morbs’ take that 2001 is an optimistic film because it looks forward to something beyond humanity is a characteristic and correct take
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Tuesday, January 10
Agree with this. I also like its imagining a more advanced civilization guiding our evolution
― Dan S, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 01:41 (one year ago) link
Hmm, not a correct take, sorry.
LOL
OK, then.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 01:56 (one year ago) link
It seems to me that Clarke's vision--and it comes through more clearly in the book than it does in the film--is that the "star child" is the next step in human evolution, prompted (again) by the monolith and whatever mysterious force is behind it. As a vision of the human future, it's quite optimistic, if a bit chilly.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 01:58 (one year ago) link
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, January 10, 2023 4:09 PM (three hours ago)
Well, you should know
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 02:03 (one year ago) link
I've traced the post ... the starchild is coming from inside the thread!
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 02:08 (one year ago) link
This is your moderator etc.
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 02:20 (one year ago) link
Do not attempt to adjust your television set.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 02:25 (one year ago) link
Have you all spent the entire day talking about 2001?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 02:45 (one year ago) link
Worth it
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 02:46 (one year ago) link
touché
― Dan S, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 02:47 (one year ago) link
Just wait until we talk about Andrei Rublev.
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 02:49 (one year ago) link
There's like 15 more of these to get through - someone post something snotty about Cléo
― jmm, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 02:50 (one year ago) link
Starchild grew up to be a Starman iirc. Then fell to earth.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 02:57 (one year ago) link
And started a war
― circa1916, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 02:58 (one year ago) link
lol clem
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 03:13 (one year ago) link
The never-made Madonna remake would have owned.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 03:45 (one year ago) link
xyzzz, there'a way to have a conversation without constantly using variations on "You're wrong" and "Not correct." I'm sure I'm the only one who agrees -- and I don't even like 2001.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 bookmarkflaglink
That's a bit weird. I gave my take on why I thought it wasn't doing it for me. I don't really like art that says "there is something better out there than this".
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 08:21 (one year ago) link
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 bookmarkflaglink
You haven't watched The Last Samurai. Please.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 08:22 (one year ago) link
Never mind the seven of them.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 08:26 (one year ago) link
someone post something snotty about Cléo
The silent film pastiche is poorly observed and executed - Godard never did anything else half as embarrassing. Vagabond rules much harder.
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 08:37 (one year ago) link
the thought of anyone trying to adapt HdW's The Last Samurai fills me with both intense joy and despair, don't think anyone could pull it off
― imago, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 09:15 (one year ago) link
set it in space. Ludo is the real starchild
― imago, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 09:16 (one year ago) link
DeWitt would sue that stupid idea, it would never get off the ground.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 10:35 (one year ago) link
Rewatched La règle for something like the fifteenth time. It is insane how good it is. Just wonderful acting on every level, even the smallest roles.
― jmm, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 14:30 (one year ago) link
I was introduced to it in possibly the worst way, in an aesthetics class where we only watched a snippet of the costume party sequence alongside a reading from Bazin - basically just focusing on formal aspects, the way the camera moves, depth of field. I don't think the magic of it exactly came through. The film does so much to build up this crazy world of love and secrecy and shifting alliances. You watch the whole thing and it's like... a battle as intricate as Seven Samurai.
― jmm, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 15:02 (one year ago) link
Yes indeed
― Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 15:13 (one year ago) link
gotta rewatch that one
― ryan, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 15:16 (one year ago) link
The way Renoir begins with Jurieu, seemingly forgets about him, then re-centers the film around his dumb clueless presence for the denouement are examples of good screenwriting (despite how much he said he and the cast improvised) and choreography. The one most committed to obsolete class prerogatives has to die to snap everyone back to reality.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 15:16 (one year ago) link
There’s only 4 of these that I have any specific memory of how they go. Probably 2 or 3 others that I believe I’ve seen but have no memory of. I guess I shouldn’t be allowed to vote, but voting anyway, for SitR which is the only one I’ve rewatched recently and which I thoroughly enjoyed.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 16:31 (one year ago) link
I'm not gonna poll the directors' list because too much overlap but might be nice to have it here:
1) 2001 2) Citizen Kane 3) The Godfather =4) Jeanne Dielman =4) Tokyo Story =6) Vertigo =6) 8 1/2 8) Mirror =9) In the Mood for Love =9) Close-up =9) Persona=12) Taxi Driver=12) Barry Lyndon=14) Beau Travail=14) Seven Samurai=14) Breathless=14) Stalker 18) Apocalypse Now 19) A Woman Under the Influence=20) Bicycle Thieves=20) Rashomon
― ryan, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link
Big outlier here is the Cassavetes, I think?
― ryan, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 17:59 (one year ago) link
SiTR would be an extremely sensible pick for the greatest movie ever made, imo.
― ryan, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link
2001 kind of a perfect choice for directors since it probably represents their greatest dream: full control over a big studio budget, major cultural impact, personal/ambitious/uncompromising.
― ryan, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link
Yes, that's interesting. It's almost surely the least scripted film on the list. I suppose it's because he was able to get such stellar performances from Rowlands and Falk.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 18:13 (one year ago) link
Nora Gregor's terrible!
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 18:49 (one year ago) link
Depends how much French you know to spot her rotten accent.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 19:07 (one year ago) link
I'm not straight and am not inclined (ok maybe a little inclined) to connect with romantic films about straight people, but In the Mood for Love is an amazing film. As I mentioned before it is a compressed, complicated story that advances in largely shorthand scenes with unexpected moments that are suddenly intimately dilated. it is beautiful to watch
― Dan S, Thursday, 12 January 2023 02:40 (one year ago) link
good posts abt regle de jeu. one of the most movie movies ever, a pleasure to watch be a movie. i like that in addition to being a “sumptuous farce” and having passages of terrifying gesamtkunstwerk stuff like the symphony-of-death hunting scene it also has classic instructional fun-w-yr-friends indie-filmmaking moments like the shot of someone fanning some smoke from out of frame left while renoir staggers up a nondescript hillock clutching his hat like wow what a terrible car crash!! great stuff.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 12 January 2023 03:45 (one year ago) link
du, lol.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 12 January 2023 03:46 (one year ago) link