Sight and Sound 2022 Top 20

I'm sure you-know-who would have remembered that one.

i nodded off a few times during inland empire in the theater last year

waking up at any point in that movie is a horrible experience

falling deeply asleep in the theater and waking up without having any sense of where you are in the runtime is really fun, i highly recommend it. downside is you might get robbed, but thats the magic of cinema for you.

Back in my drinking days, I fell asleep in the theater and missed most of Inglorious Basterds. I have yet to re-watch it.

Apichatpong Weerasethakul's films always seem like an invitation to sleep - "I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours"

Carpenter's Dark Star in particular comes across like a working stiff riposte to the sleekness and sterility of Kubrickian space travel. 2001 elides questions of ownership - who's funding all this? - although you'd think Kubrick, if not Clarke, might have better anticipated the rise of the despotic billionaire spaceship owner/controller. No need for Hal (at a narrative level) when someone like Musk is far more unpredictably petty and vengeful.

It should be noted that 2001 came out in 1968 and huffing about "hmm, unsophisticated portrayal of dystopia" is kind of laughable considering the multiplex films it existed next to and the fact that dystopia is hardly the first thing on its mind.

although you'd think Kubrick, if not Clarke, might have better anticipated the rise of the despotic billionaire spaceship owner/controller

true, but i think Kubrick for one was focused on the Operation Paperclip of it all.

a few years back, I went to a double feature of Tarkovsky's The Mirror and Nostalghia with three high school friends and we all conked out within the first 20 minutes of The Mirror. After being awoken during intermission, we did all stay awake for and generally enjoy Nostalghia though.

B-b-but were there a lot of multiplexes in existence in 1968?
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Morbs’ take that 2001 is an optimistic film because it looks forward to something beyond humanity is a characteristic and correct take
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.),

Yes, the attitude is, "There's gotta be something better than this."

I was bored by 2001 when I watched it as a teenager but I no longer believe in boredom so I should really watch it again someday

^silby otm!

it's a good movie is my opinion

i will never turn away sleep when it comes to me but i can only really zonk out if it's one of those theaters with the reclining chairs...but in theory i am very pro falling asleep to movies...especially since a lot of my favorite movies have a kind of time-dilation effect that is familiar to what you get from daytime napping.

If I go to a movie after 10, I have to drink a mega soda to stay up.

But then that means pissing during the movie

i am very much of the opinion that there are films that not only are improved by the half-sleep state, but that have been designed to lull you into rest and put you in that state so that you are cycling the right brainwaves to step into the experience. weeraseethakul, harvard sensory ethnography lab, kurosawa, sometimes kubrick... il buco did a great job of that.
crucially, this really only works right on the big screen.

I have to watch Scorpio Rising (28 minutes) over three night at home--I can't get through any film without falling asleep if I'm in my chair. (Better in a theatre.)

Maybe, but I regret the day I had too much wine at brunch and fell asleep during the restored version of Forbidden Paradise.
/xpost

oh I cannot drink before watching a film in the theatre: instant nap even if it's one glass of wine or beer. I can drink during it, though.

back in my wine-drinking days, a friend and I would go to the local winery, then see a movie, and just about every time, instant Zzzzs.

fell asleep on Simpsons movie and Walk Hard that way

At home I've no problem watching a fillum with a cocktail.

just a public service reminder that sleep apnoea is a thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWH7oPBnD9s

lol, the snorers at moma are legendary

My entire family has apnea. The field recordings you could make when we all sleep in one hotel room ...yikes

THE THAI FILMMAKER Apichatpong Weerasethakul encourages audiences to sleep during his films. “Entering a movie theatre is not unlike entering a dream,” he said in one interview. “Films hypnotize us and take us to new worlds. Sleeping and films are like twin realities.”

https://thebaffler.com/latest/apichatpong-the-memorious-zhou

lol, i've never seen that but it's very gratifying!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaZRSQfFo8Y

Morbs’ take that 2001 is an optimistic film because it looks forward to something beyond humanity is a characteristic and correct take
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.),

Yes, the attitude is, "There's gotta be something better than this."

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Hmm, not a correct take, sorry. This is the kind of attitude being exploited by billionaires that are building rockets on the back of the exploitation of others when what's better for them is to have their assets confiscated and for them to work the land.

Basically all we need is right here.

isn't it, like, a metaphor

I'm not saying I agree, xyzzz, sorry.

it sounds like a reasonable enough take on the film 2001, if not necessarily on how the planet should be managed

xyzzz, there'a way to have a conversation without constantly using variations on "You're wrong" and "Not correct." I'm sure I'm the only one who agrees -- and I don't even like 2001.

never mind the dystopia doesn't 2001 as story - which is probably the least of it as a movie anyway - belong to a Freudian "humanity the abandoned child looking for its daddy" strain of SF

I mean there's a big baby and everything

See also AI, which is “in dialogue” with 2001 on this topic, as they say.

This strangely neglected topic.

Robot boy wants his mommy, waits aeons in suspended animation until finally he is granted his wish by more advanced aliens - or alien robots? - who deliver her to him in resurrected form, if only for 24 hours

It’s almost like good art can bear a multitude of interpretations.

But I suspect xyzzz is being a bit troll-y and “ain’t I stinker” about this whole thing so I’m not sure it’s worth engaging with said poster on this topic.

2001 elides questions of ownership - who's funding all this?

it's v clear the answer is "the state, in partnership w pan am"-- that is, the good ol mil-ind-com

Kubrick, if not Clarke, might have better anticipated the rise of the despotic billionaire spaceship owner/controller

would this movie really be better if they had howard hughes onboard

should benoit blanc have come too

Ahm sorrih Dave. Ahm afraid ah can't doo that,

Ah say, ah say, ah say Dave

i do p much agree w alphie that the movie's suggestion that specieswide transformation and victory in our historic confrontation with the hal-thing is something we need to go to jupiter for is an opiate, and that in this way the movie's a reflection of the values of the v age it is critiquing. (i mean that's kinda what things... do, tho.) still i enjoy thinking abt that confrontation i guess, and usually do say yes when someone asks if i'd enjoy something i already enjoy but in space.

Don’t think he likes to be called that.

apologies if so! a hollow voice says doh.

wait who are we talking about/to

my last was in response to xyzzz re: exploration, space travel, palpitating the pebbles of an alien world etc

Morbs’ take that 2001 is an optimistic film because it looks forward to something beyond humanity is a characteristic and correct take

― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Tuesday, January 10

Agree with this. I also like its imagining a more advanced civilization guiding our evolution

Hmm, not a correct take, sorry.

LOL

OK, then.