Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

I checked out the first season of Enterprise from the library, and watched the first episode (I forgot that they're double episodes). There's a real nascent MRA vibe simmering through it that left a pretty bad mouthfeel, like some kind of return of the repressed of humanity's worse impulses that also feels like resentment for having to adhere to '90s Trek values.

never ever say mouthfeel. especially when what you're talking about has nothing whatsoever to do with eating, or mouths

but tbh if you feel icky about that one then you should probably stop

it’s been a long road, gettin from there to here

Interesting thread revive timing, the algo just popped this up for my suggested viewing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VEZH8bqytA

last ever Enterprise today and they made it an TNG crossover which i guess shows how much faith they had in it

faith of the heart iirc

the last Enterprise episode is... something

I want to see FLintstone STar Trek like their ship is stone and pterodactyls work the transporter

that Star Trek fan episode is unnerving to watch - it's serious, I guess, but the acting and the way the audio is mixed makes me think they're going to break into MST3K parody at any second

Episode 2: Almost competent, with a familiar Trek formula except instead of the technobabble deus ex machina, it's just a babble deus ex machina, which was incredibly anticlimactic (watching Hoshi grunt at the viewscreen and then things just work out was boring).

Mouthfeel: undifferentiated and bland.

onleee you could get away with such things

COunsellor Trois hair was stupid in the first season like a flower pot on head

agree

she was always styled like one step away from “magician’s assistant”

Lol

The future Trek envisioned: classic

The future as executed by Trek: mixed

Troi’s version of the Riker beard effect is, she gets better when she can’t be bothered to do the accent anymore.

Troi is great in the books. And even Lxwanna works in DS9. From the interviews, you get the sense Sirtis would have been much better off if she’d just played her as herself.

Or if she’d been trusted to do so.

Troi was a terribly-written character, she didn’t have a lot to work with

Basically any the female character on TNG wasn't well-served by the writing, maybe Pulaski excepted (though I haven't watched season 2 in ages).

Sirtis definitely got frustrated with how her character was treated. She described a lovely scene where she had a conversation with Scotty in "Relics" which got cut - I imagine that's not the only time something like that happened.

Eposode 3: I'm starting to cotton onto how Enterprise is Star Trek: This Is Why We Have Rules, but can they do it in a less insultingly stupid way?

short answer is no

Strange New Worlds is kind of the anti-Enterprise show in that it doesn’t take the characters for granted and Enterprise just has these cut-outs it repeatedly slams against the weak plots

The accuracy

where is the lie

Was STNG Enterprise the only ship that has a psychologist as a bridge officer? Eventually Troi just wears a regular uniform and it's somehow even sexier

DS9 eventually has one, although technically that's a station.

I don't could DS9 as a ship and I never will. That's why Ds( missed the bite - who can care about a floating metal crab with visitors? THen they were like "OH by the way now Sisko became Jesus" - I knwo I'll take a lot of flack for this as ds9 has many devotees but I'm ready

MOBY DS9

who can care about a floating metal crab with visitors?

...you put it like that.

Rewatching season two of TNG again. Pulaski is horrible. She doesn’t like using the transporter and insists on using a shuttlecraft. REMIND YOU OF SOMEONE?? Just finished the Wesley-crushes-on-a-shapeshifter episode and the Hotel Royale episode, good fun! I just love when Wesley’s crush morphs into a big alien gorilla. The “actors in goofy alien costumes” look is one of the best parts of the show, which is why I enjoyed “Lonely Among Us” (the Anticans and the Selay) and “Too Short a Season” (the old admiral gets younger and younger) better than most.

who can care about a floating metal crab with visitors? THen they were like "OH by the way now Sisko became Jesus"
DS9 - floating space can next to a planet, Sisko Jesus, wormhole adjacent for adventures.
Bab5 - floating space can next to a planet, Sheridan Jesus, jumpgate wormhole adjacent for adventures.

I don't could DS9 as a ship and I never will

you never defiant

wesley airlock when? never done. big failure

OK I kinda like ds9 but I like controversy too

I'd like to see a DS9 Red Dwarf crossover. The ships goes into a time warp and ends up at ds9 throwin it back with shiny Quark

legend channel is showing o/g and im watching it bit by bit in random order (this ep is the one with apollo)

"you seem wise for a woman" says the annoying but also horny greek god to the lady officer* who you can barely see thru the wildly vaselined lens**

*scotty also has his eye on her
**did any other show of the time do this? ans must be yes but i honestly don't recall being struck by it so much and so often lol

ppl whose decisions have been really very iffy so far in this story: kirk, spock, bones, scotty, chekov

also spock seems to be flirting w/uhura, was that a thing?

Um…yes.

she seemed extremely surprised

Spock thinking "It is logical that a greek god is horny"

always found the description of the unworshipped gods physically disintegrating from ennui kind of affecting

I'm gonna make a thread of actors who appeared on Star Trek and also on The Golden Girls because that seems like a fun thing to do. 🧵

— Will Burrows 🍞🌹 (@dwight_tokem) January 16, 2023

ILX0r Josefa basically did the same thing on another thread with respect to Star Trek: TOS and Hawaii Five-0 iirc.

I believe there may have been mention of Mannix as well.

Watched episode 4 (where Trip gets pregnant), which is actually kind of amusing in a lowered expectations kind of way (and is maybe only half as offensive as the Quark gender swap episode).

nothing else wd suffice so i began rewatching OG from the very start on netflix

this time ((s1e2: the man trap) uhura is flirting w/spock

also kirk just said "stop thinking with your glands" to bones

Yeah, it’s a trip watching the very early episodes when they hadn’t quite gotten the characters down yet

I was watching an old "Outer Limits" the other night with Sally Kellerman, and was reminded how striking she was. I remember thinking the same when I saw "Where No Man Has Gone Before." Not sure why they dropped her character, of whom Troy was, I suppose, a reiteration.

Oh, I guess it was because they killed her off LOL