Yes, Story should have been on the list, he was exclusively a shortstop when he signed. Semien signed after a career year playing second base, but you're right, he played only shortstop before that. And Semien had those awful first two months this year before turning it around, that's scary when you've signed a guy for seven years. But it's not as scary as a 10-plus year contract that runs into that player's 40's!
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 18 December 2022 23:31 (one year ago) link
I should have added Javier Baez to the poll too.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 21 December 2022 08:38 (one year ago) link
New information has come to light! (This Correa situation was unexpected)
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 21 December 2022 14:47 (one year ago) link
Shortest free agent shortstop contract of the 2020's (so far)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 21 December 2022 16:26 (one year ago) link
And therefore the best!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 21 December 2022 23:19 (one year ago) link
Lindor, Turner, Seager, and Correa are kind of interesting to compare because they all debuted in 2015 and they're around the same age. 2023 will be Turner's age 30 season, Seager and Lindor will be 29, and 28 for Correa. (if you're a turner or seager fan you might note that both of them barely played in 2015, while Lindor and Turner both played 99 games in their 2015 rookie seasons)
Lindor towers above the others in career fWAR, with 42. Turner and Correa are both at 31, Seager with 26. but so much of that difference comes down to how much more Lindor has been on the field compared to the others. but even accounting for that, Lindor has outproduced the others on a per game basis:
Lindor: 1063 games, 4740 PAs, 42.0 fWAR (.040 fWAR/game)Turner: 849 games, 3737 PAs, 31.6 fWAR (.037 fWAR/game)Correa: 888 games, 3813 PAs, 31.3 fWAR (.035 fWAR/game)Seager: 787 games, 3373 PAs, 26.2 fWAR (.033 fWAR/game)
while i think players that were injury-prone in their 20s are probably more likely to be injury prone in their 30s, on average, i know it's a crapshoot when you're talking about individual players. maybe Seager will be healthy in his 30s while Lindor, well, i don't want to accidentally jinx someone. but who knows what terrible fates will befall us in the next ten years awooooooooooooo šŗ
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 22 December 2022 00:18 (one year ago) link
Correa's quite a bit higher than Lindor in bWAR/162 games, 7.2 vs. 5.6.
― clemenza, Thursday, 22 December 2022 01:34 (one year ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Friday, 23 December 2022 00:01 (one year ago) link
baez seems like it will be the worst. fangraphs had last year as seagerās best season since 2017 but itās heavily based on defense which means it could be way off... itās not like heās known for defense. i wouldnāt wanna be holding the bill on that contract in 4-5 years let alone 10.turner hits for average, power, runs, plays defense, is a true 5 tool player. heās my favorite of this group. the medical stuff is concerning on correa but heās a few years younger than these guys and the metrics say heās a plus defender. w/ bogaertsā¦ you never know with players in their 30s but heās been very durable so far and hitting/walking feel like sustainable skills to me. weāve already seen what it will look like for lindor when itās bad and itās kinda scary. a small guy who relies on power doesnāt feel like a great longterm bet but he showed last year he (prob) still has some great seasons left in him. seager, swanson, semien and of course baez are the ones that would really worry me. i think iād rather have the seager deal of all those but heās got a bad back and man thatās a lot of money
― J0rdan S., Friday, 23 December 2022 02:22 (one year ago) link
I agree that Turner is the best of the group, he's a complete player now and his bat will play even as he declines. Correa is fantastic when he's on the field. Baez is probably the best answer but I forgot to add him, so I voted for Bogaerts. It really seems like he peaked three years ago and the contract runs throughout his 30's.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 23 December 2022 06:09 (one year ago) link
seems like bogaertsā 2019 was one of the standout juiced ball seasons ā he hasnāt really displayed that kind of power before or since. but relative to the league heās regressed very little (OPS+ still around 130). still gets on base, hits a bunch of doubles (although that may be fenway-aided), good fielder, seems durable, not a head case.
i mean yeah every contract that includes a playerās age 40 season is gonna get ugly, but i think itāll be a while before he sinks to baezās *current* value
― mookieproof, Friday, 23 December 2022 13:12 (one year ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Saturday, 24 December 2022 00:01 (one year ago) link
Well then
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 24 December 2022 04:44 (one year ago) link
You've probably seen this already by now:
Billy, this is Carlos Correa, he is one of the best shortstops in all of baseball. His only defect is that every team freaks out when they see his medicals. I believe, if we wait long enough, the A's can sign him for $237,000. pic.twitter.com/LxxbSw96nb— Baseball Brit (@BaseballBrit) December 24, 2022
― clemenza, Tuesday, 27 December 2022 17:27 (one year ago) link
Lol. What happens next with this dude?! Mets pumps the breaks and Carlos / boras are saying they wonāt renegotiate the contractā¦ do they blink? Do the Mets blink? Do the rangers say āfuck itā and sign him for a year and $35 M less? is he destined for some contractual no mans land where heās only able to land one year deals for the rest of his career?
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 28 December 2022 05:36 (one year ago) link
I think the Rangers could use a third $30M/yr shortstop.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 28 December 2022 06:59 (one year ago) link