Trailer's very funny. No interest in the actual movie, but it's a really good one-off gag.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:02 (one year ago) link
the gag is funny but also the clips of the DANCING and the COLORS and the JACKETS
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:02 (one year ago) link
i'm also a big fan of the comedy acting of Margot Robbie so i'm v optimistic for this
― partez Maroc anthem (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:04 (one year ago) link
The trailer was a clever and cute teaser. The few flashes of (mostly dance) footage at the end itself seemed less than compelling. That cotton candy color scheme, if it pervades the entire film, would be extremely painful to sit through.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:04 (one year ago) link
Baumbach/Gerwig movies are probably better than Baumbach movies, I have no objection to a Gerwig/Baumbach movie
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:04 (one year ago) link
yeah i don't thing Greta has written or directed a bad movie
― partez Maroc anthem (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:06 (one year ago) link
frances ha and mistress america are def a cut above in the baumbach filmography
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:07 (one year ago) link
he did co-write "Life Aquatic" … good.
LIES
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:12 (one year ago) link
i love Life Aquatic!
― partez Maroc anthem (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:14 (one year ago) link
Gerwig has made two perfect films. I trust her.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:20 (one year ago) link
I'm hyped for this.
― trishyb, Friday, 16 December 2022 19:20 (one year ago) link
meanwhile Baumbach just made...White Noise.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:21 (one year ago) link
oh shit the Delillo book? i didn't know about that
it seems like a thoroughly bad idea if so
― partez Maroc anthem (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:22 (one year ago) link
that's about right
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:22 (one year ago) link
ok one to avoid
― partez Maroc anthem (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 December 2022 19:25 (one year ago) link
Miyazaki, Mario, and Barbie - 2023 is looking pretty fun
― jmm, Friday, 16 December 2022 21:07 (one year ago) link
Ain’t it fun?
― Soda Stereo Total (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 16 December 2022 21:09 (one year ago) link
Also impressed that they did something funny with the ten-millionth reference to the Dawn of Man scene
― jmm, Friday, 16 December 2022 21:17 (one year ago) link
not to be a jerk but is there some non-fandom reason to anticipate the Mario movie?
― rob, Friday, 16 December 2022 21:31 (one year ago) link
Idk it’ll probably be gently funny and the music sounds great, probably won’t have any piss jokes like all the other kids’ movies seem to these days
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Friday, 16 December 2022 21:39 (one year ago) link
I'm with Milo Z on Life Aquatic, which singlehandedly killed my vague Anderson interest. This on the other hand looks perfectly entertaining.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2022 22:41 (one year ago) link
Honestly, I didn't like it, either. But the fact that the Baumbach co-write "Mr. Fox" is one of my fave Wes Andersons, and was what brought me back as a fan after "Darjeeling," leads me to believe Baumbach wasn't necessarily the problem with "Life Aquatic."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 December 2022 23:01 (one year ago) link
"Mr. Fox" is, well, fantastic.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 16 December 2022 23:03 (one year ago) link
Had not heard that How Do You Live? is coming out!
― fleeting art that floats! (geoffreyess), Friday, 16 December 2022 23:43 (one year ago) link
Mr. Fox and His Friends?
― Soda Stereo Total (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 16 December 2022 23:45 (one year ago) link
maybe this will be the trigger we need to get a Josie & The Pussycats Criterion blu ray
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 16 December 2022 23:45 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I can't wait. Just got the book from the library.
― jmm, Saturday, 17 December 2022 01:14 (one year ago) link
Lolling that the movie about the plumber running around in sewers probably won’t have any piss jokes
― castanuts (DJP), Saturday, 17 December 2022 03:52 (one year ago) link
Oh no
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Saturday, 17 December 2022 03:53 (one year ago) link
Just had a weird flashback to Ice Cube drinking piss in the kids movie "Are We There Yet", glad to see piss jokes still a thing two decades on
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 17 December 2022 22:40 (one year ago) link
https://pbfcomics.com/comics/mario-too/
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 17 December 2022 22:43 (one year ago) link
Oh my
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRyt3Ov4zz0
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 16:34 (one year ago) link
my hot take is when the target of your satire is vacuity, the zings are going to cluster in a very small range
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 16:48 (one year ago) link
Trailer I saw before (haven't clicked yet on this one) was interesting, but yeah.
― Little Big Man Yells at Red Cloud (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 16:55 (one year ago) link
Something of a pivot for Ari Aster, then
― Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 18:16 (one year ago) link
Okay, now I see
― Little Big Man Yells at Red Cloud (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 18:27 (one year ago) link
That cast!
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 18:38 (one year ago) link
just going by that newest trailer wow this thing (visually) looks like total digital shit and not in a cool hyperpop 100gecs way
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 19:57 (one year ago) link
ugh yeah
― My Ouzo Weighs a Tun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:10 (one year ago) link
This and the new Wes Anderson would be an overwhelming double feature on the eyes.
― underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:19 (one year ago) link
Lol watched trailer on YouTube and immediately played the trailer for‘Asteroid City’. Overdosed on teal and orange.
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:23 (one year ago) link
in the end when everyone says "I'm gonna beach you off", it sounds a lot like "beat off"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:48 (one year ago) link
Can't beat off without genitalia
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:55 (one year ago) link
yeah that's what confused me about it
― frogbs, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:56 (one year ago) link
Greta Hedwig
― obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:57 (one year ago) link
that doesn't seem like a coincidence esp bc "beach you off" isn't something people say?
this movie looks enjoyable imo, from the trailer
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:58 (one year ago) link
They're saying they're going to beach each other off because they don't want each other on the beach. So they would be off beach if the characters follow through on their threats.
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:59 (one year ago) link
I presume because they are being jerks? So why don't they say "Jerk, off!!" ??
― frogbs, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 21:07 (one year ago) link
sorry i have never heard of this term beforewhen you want someone off the beach you say "i will beach you off"? noit's clearly a joke?
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 21:08 (one year ago) link
Joey Ramone and his brother Mikey Leigh to thread!
― My Ouzo Weighs a Tun (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 21:09 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I don't get why anyone's getting bent out of shape over his comment. He makes hyperbolic comments like this all the time partly as a joke - it's never meant to be taken that literally.
I've got reservations about his work, but his documentaries are usually better than his narrative films - he's been less prolific of late, but the burst of activity he's had in the 21st century has been consistently excellent with nearly all of it is documentary work. Above all though, Aguirre is a towering masterpiece, and I think the consensus has been spot-on in crowning it as his greatest film. Fitzcarraldo is pretty good, but I actually prefer Les Blank's Burden of Dreams where you see how Herzog is the real megalomaniac.
― birdistheword, Saturday, 24 February 2024 19:55 (two months ago) link
FWIW, Errol Morris did a great Q&A for Gates of Heaven (screened at a Tom Buddy tribute last year), and they asked him why he wasn't at the shoe-eating that was memorably captured on film. Herzog famously claimed he would eat his shoe if Morris finished that film, and Morris said he never remembered Herzog ever making that promise, adding, "you know it's one of Werner's tales...or as I'd like to call them, LIES."
― birdistheword, Saturday, 24 February 2024 19:58 (two months ago) link
Luddy not Buddy - AUTOCORRECT, argh
― birdistheword, Saturday, 24 February 2024 19:59 (two months ago) link
Herzog's comment in context does not seem at all disparaging of the movie tbh
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Saturday, 24 February 2024 22:51 (two months ago) link
Herzog was on Conan's podcast recently describing how (roughly) "therapy can be extremely dangerous, transforming one's mind into a house that's unbearable to live in". Conan has a glowing BetterHelp ad read in almost every episode.
― batman monster truck (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 25 February 2024 13:41 (two months ago) link
My mind is a condemned building already
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 February 2024 17:17 (two months ago) link
Heh
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 February 2024 17:45 (two months ago) link
Herzog has been greatly enjoying making fun of his role as Serious Documentary Maker - he's doing so in Orion and the Dark, the new animated movie written by Charlie Kaufman, and of course:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWxy9C5svFU
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 25 February 2024 21:18 (two months ago) link
The world of Barbie was hellish. That is why Barbie chose to live in the real world instead, even though it is filled with suffering and injustice.
― treeship., Sunday, 25 February 2024 22:24 (two months ago) link
Just saw this, finally. Fun but too hetero.
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 25 February 2024 22:34 (two months ago) link
Someone has to say, "Well, when he's in hell he'll think he's just in the Barbie movie," and I suppose it may as well be me.
― Lily Dale, Monday, 26 February 2024 00:14 (two months ago) link
Its funny bc I can totally imagine Herzog tossing off a cheeky joke about making a Barbie movie that matches the plot of the Barbie movie that we actually got. Like “Hollywood would NEVER allow me to make a Barbie movie because my version would be about Barbie slowly deteriorating and going insane as she realizes that she is only the plaything of a hopeless and death-obsessed mortal woman.”
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 26 February 2024 15:08 (two months ago) link
the german word for house is already mojodojocasahaus
― batman monster truck (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 26 February 2024 16:40 (two months ago) link
I'll see it two years from now and revive this thread so I can give all of you my fresh insights. ;-)― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, August 12, 2023 11:28 AM (seven months ago)
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, August 12, 2023 11:28 AM (seven months ago)
I'm well ahead of schedule here, but we watched this at home last night from a public library DVD on our smallish low-resolution television. I knew going in that we were too old to fit the intended audience, but this was a movie that grew into a phenomenon and that always interests me.
We laughed here and there, the production design was cartoony & clever & original, the music and dancing helped keep the pace bouncing along. Gerwig knew what it wanted to do and did it well, but as I said far upthread, when the object of your satire is vacuity your jokes are bound to cluster in a very limited range. As for the 'message', it was fine, though very basic and avoided any deep waters.
My overall opinion is that it was absolutely spot on for an audience of mothers with daughters in the range of about 12 to 16, and would be generally entertaining for more general audiences, with diminishing returns as the age of the viewer climbed above 40. These observations are not a criticism of how well conceived and executed it was. I can't imagine a Barbie movie could have been better done than this one and it clearly found a responsive chord in millions of people. So, we enjoyed it, but we just happened to be a bit too old to extract the maximum enjoyment. Not a problem, just a fact.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 17 March 2024 18:40 (one month ago) link
(also not a fact)
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 17 March 2024 18:50 (one month ago) link
how do you come by this knowledge?
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 17 March 2024 18:56 (one month ago) link
Well, I'm considerably older than 40, and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I'm not saying you have to! But the bogus generalisations are... bogus
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 17 March 2024 19:17 (one month ago) link
I think I came pretty close to maximum enjoyment. I wonder what's going to happen to me in the next 7-8 years to make that impossible to achieve.
xp otm
― UKXEPCTED TWITS (WmC), Sunday, 17 March 2024 19:19 (one month ago) link
As long as we're here let's immortalize this too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhWqpvGq6b4
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 17 March 2024 19:31 (one month ago) link
All-time, that lerfirm
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 March 2024 19:57 (one month ago) link
Performance
John Grisham's Ler Firm
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 March 2024 20:04 (one month ago) link
xps - Both of you are welcome to your opinions, but I think my saying "we enjoyed it, but we just happened to be a bit too old to extract the maximum enjoyment" is hardly the stuff of harsh criticism you seem to think.
We are 69 and 75 years old. That means we grew up in a somewhat different era of pop culture than someone who is at present 50 or 60. That fact won't change no matter how much more time passes. I made zero claims that this fact had any relevance other than it affected our frame of reference. My other generalization about diminishing returns above the age of 40 was based on the observation that the creators of the movie mainly wanted to speak to a life experience relevant to their imagined target audience and they chose their pop cultural frames of reference to match their audience. That PG-13 rating was not an accident. It's not like older people can't understand the frame, but its emotional meaning drifts further away as it becomes less an integral part of one's youth.
I don't think this anything I said was bogus. I was careful to use qualifiers and gradations to say what I consider some pretty innocuous things. But now I've said my say. Respond if you wish. It's not worth a prolonged argument.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 17 March 2024 20:07 (one month ago) link
It didn’t work for me either (I’m close to fifty, love Gerwig’s work) but I’m still trying to puzzle out why. My four year old’s quite into Barbie and I guess I slightly resented the impenetrable adultness of everything (for a very young person, not a teen or tween). I also struggled to stay interested once Perlman and Roth and Ferrera (so boring!) fell into the mix. I wasn’t sure how the “mothers stand still” line was meant to be interpreted but I’m not sure I like either possible interpretation. No bitterness - just curious why it didn’t work for me.
Stil
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 17 March 2024 20:17 (one month ago) link
Aimless, we still love you. No need for that response!
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 March 2024 21:27 (one month ago) link
Nor that response, Alfred.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 17 March 2024 21:29 (one month ago) link
It's okay if you don't respond to a movie in the expected ways. See: The Zone of Interest thread.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 March 2024 21:37 (one month ago) link
It's okay if you don't respond to a movie in the expected ways.
Why do I get this feeling of being patronized? Maybe it's because you are not responding to what I said, but rather to some vague need to soothe me, as if I were a child acting over emotionally, rather than simply providing my reasoning behind an opinion that was called "bogus", but with no specifics of what was bogus supplied.
What was implied by Andrew in his post was that I'd said something that contradicted his experience of enjoyment "the hell out of" the movie although he was over age 40. That reading of my post was incorrect and I wished to address that. So I did.
I'm using this ultra-formal tone for a simple reason. Since the presumption has now been forwarded that I was over-reacting and therefore implies was some lack of legitimacy, I'm scrubbing my prose. But I won't be gently chided for enlarging on an opinion that was questioned as "bogus". This is supposed to be a conversation, an exchange, not just zings dropped serially, and I will not be patronized for simply pursuing the conversation.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 17 March 2024 22:31 (one month ago) link
It's not worth a prolonged argument.
two hours pass...
― bae (sic), Sunday, 17 March 2024 22:38 (one month ago) link
zing!
now do you have anything of value to say?
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 17 March 2024 22:44 (one month ago) link
Why do I get this feeling of being patronized? Maybe it's because you are not responding to what I said.
I've no idea. It's not my intention. Your first post was fine. Chuck's too.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 March 2024 22:49 (one month ago) link
― bae (sic), Sunday, 17 March 2024 23:14 (one month ago) link
I'm just dubious about age being a barrier to extracting maximum enjoyment from anything.
― UKXEPCTED TWITS (WmC), Sunday, 17 March 2024 23:44 (one month ago) link
exactly, it's actually a pretty offensive thing to say and then triple down on
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 17 March 2024 23:46 (one month ago) link
In fairness to Aimless, I do appreciate the clarification that he's talking about being too old _right now_, that it's the specific extra years he has on me that make the difference, not the years that I have to make up to get to him. I don't think he's right, but I'm now aware that he's not talking about me, which is always what causes the reflex.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 18 March 2024 00:17 (one month ago) link
My take on Barbie is that it was very funny
― Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Monday, 18 March 2024 00:43 (one month ago) link
agreed (age 57 here)
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 18 March 2024 01:51 (one month ago) link
My take on Barbie is that people who were children in 1961 (when Barbie was introduced) would like it well enough.
― steely flan (suzy), Monday, 18 March 2024 08:39 (one month ago) link
fwiw I think "I'm not the target audience for this" - which is more or less what I took Aimless's post to be saying - is a reasonable thing to say, which doesn't mean you can't enjoy things that aren't targeted at you ofc. at any rate preferable to assuming everything in the world was made for your specific sensibilities and getting angry when something doesn't fit into that.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 18 March 2024 10:18 (one month ago) link
or someone else doesnt like it
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Monday, 18 March 2024 12:34 (one month ago) link