2022-23 Hot Stove thread

It will be interesting to know what other offers were on the table, or perhaps the Rangers were bidding against themselves as they seem to do quite often.

I would be surprised if the Mets didn’t go at least 3 years

Mets apparently offered 3 years/$120Mish

Verlander is supposedly going to the Mets, $86M for two years. Wow. Have to think about whether they came out ahead on that swap or not.

I guess we’ll see if his ERA drops below 1 next year!

wonder if Houston didn't even come close with a competitive offer. they've had a curious offseason, in terms of decision-making.

Such a unique comparison: DeGrom, this historically great pitcher who just can't stay healthy coming off his age-34 season, vs. a HOF pitcher coming off a Cy Young but who'll turn 40 in a couple of months and is one season removed from Tommy John surgery. And then you factor in the five-year deal vs. the two-year deal...confusing!

Astros owner 100% high on his own supply

Great deal/virtual swap for the Mets if Scherzer and Verlander stay healthy.

I love DeGrom but giving him five years guaranteed was nuts.

Phillies sign Trea Turner for 11/300

Stove is hot today. 11 years is a long time but I guess they aren't worried about the last few.

Correa to the Giants or that is my wish out of all of this.

Have the giants done anything so far?

I assume they're too busy courting Judge and don't have time for other deals?

If they get Judge then I think they'll go one more big one. Correa make too much sense.
Everything after Judge tho. If they don't get Judge then they could scale down.

so Turner left $42 million on the table to play for the Phillies over the Padres. i assume he wanted to make sure he would be playing SS?!

i think the prevailing theory is that he wants to be on the east coast... apparently when the nats were shopping him he asked to stay on the east coast

Why did San Diego go after Turner when they have Tatis? Baseball money is out of hand. Just glad my team is major market.

I think they don't like Tatis's SS defense and want to move him to CF maybe

^^^

rangers signed Heaney to a 2 year deal. comes with opt-out and (apparently) $15 mil in potential bonuses. the rangers are really rolling the dice this offseason!

Last piece of the puzzle: they bring Rougned Odor back.

maybe there's some sort of baton the rangers can come up with that heaney and degrom can pass to each other as they go on and off the DL

Verlander might very well throw more innings in the two years of his contract then DeGrom will throw in the five of his.

I mean people are joking that Diaz might throw more innings tbh

josh bell to cleveland, two years, $33m

reports are starting to come out saying Judge is signing with the giants.

I'll be bowling tonight with a huge Giants fan (how huge? he thought Lincecum was going to go into the HOF) who doesn't like Aaron Judge. Something tells me he may come around.

$360M for 10 years, which would take him into his age-40 season. It's like Albert Pujols and Miguel Cabrera never happened (and, great as he was last year, Judge doesn't really start at their level).

Not sure this is actually confirmed yet, the report is being walked back by Heyman

xp lmao I’m sorry but you were hyping Judge like crazy all year!

Bellinger to Cubs, supposedly

Breaking: Cody Bellinger and the Chicago Cubs are in agreement on a one-year, $17.5 million contract, sources tell @JeffPassan. pic.twitter.com/oRoKx76xq8

— ESPN (@espn) December 6, 2022

they needed the new jason heyward

That’s a lot of money for some dude who hit, what, like .206? The Ricketts aren’t serious people. They’ve got their cash cows/fan appeasement working just like they want.

xp lmao I’m sorry but you were hyping Judge like crazy all year!

Everything's relative, right? He's not first-decade Albert Pujols or Miguel Cabrera.

Actually, he's got a better career OPS+ right now than either Cabrera's first 10 seasons, or his first 13 (Cabrera's last great year). Surprised...staying in the lineup's another issue. (Pujols' OPS+ is better by about 10 points through a decade.)

AJ’s defense and baserunning edge is no small factor. Cabrera is a first ballot hall guy but he’s never had a season as good as Judge’s rookie year or last year, which is the catch; Cabrera was durable and Judge…well the jury is out on his health for the next few years.

_xp lmao I’m sorry but you were hyping Judge like crazy all year!_

Everything's relative, right? He's not first-decade Albert Pujols or Miguel Cabrera.

On pin and needles

Here comes Haniger ✍️

The #SFGiants have agreed to terms with OF Mitch Haniger pic.twitter.com/3T6PIBKVzh

— SFGiants (@SFGiants) December 7, 2022

Good, they do need two outfielders. I want Correa.

If only generational greats matter then why follow the game at all?

What on earth are you talking about? You seem to be conflating two things that have nothing to do with each other. Yes, I was really excited about Judge last season; that did not imply that I thought some team should go out and sign him for some obscene amount of money that would carry him through to his age-40 season. And to underscore that, I brought up Pujols and Cabrera.

David Price retired won't pitch in 2023.

AJ’s defense and baserunning edge is no small factor. Cabrera is a first ballot hall guy but he’s never had a season as good as Judge’s rookie year or last year

Cabrera didn't really get going till his third season, and that also gives Judge an edge. There are a couple of Cabrera seasons I'd take over Judge's rookie year, including his TC season, but yeah, Judge last year beats every Cabrera season (even every Pujols season by OPS+). But you'd think teams would look to those two guys on the back end of their contracts before opening up the vault for Judge.

taijuan walker to the phillies, 4 years, $72m

Source confirms: Aaron Judge in agreement with Yankees, nine years, $360M. First: @JonMorosi.

— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) December 7, 2022

love the deal, might not be a great one in 2029 but that’s a problem for 2029 me

Looking forward to him being great again

Great. Over-extended, of course, but a) he's where he should be, b) they clearly had no choice if they wanted to re-sign him, and c) money's meaningless to the Yankees anyway, so he won't become an albatross to some other team that really can't afford him.

Aaron Judge flew into San Diego at the last minute to decide among three teams: the New York Yankees, the San Francisco Giants and the San Diego Padres. The Yankees bumped their offer to nine years and $360 million, and in the end, Judge decided he wanted to remain a Yankee.

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) December 7, 2022