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amy winehouse is shit

That one guy that quit, Thursday, 10 May 2007 08:31 (sixteen years ago) link

you said that months ago.

lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 08:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Is Phil Alexander the former Kerrang editor that had a really shitty late night talk show on ITV in the late 90s? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 08:53 (sixteen years ago) link

same chap.

Bocken Social Scene, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:06 (sixteen years ago) link

How on earth do you go from Kerrang to Mojo? lol careerist fucks.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:11 (sixteen years ago) link

impossible to like both metal and classic rock or whatever it is mojo cover, of course

lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, a lot of Bob Dylan fans are big on KoRn, they pretty much have exactly the same fanbase.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:15 (sixteen years ago) link

i can think of at least one person i know who loves bob dylan and korn

lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Well that's me proven wrong then. Teenage girls who make up the lion's share of Kerrang's readership actually closet Clapton fans.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 10 May 2007 09:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I got confused for a second and thought the article was about the Mobo awards.

I know, right?, Thursday, 10 May 2007 10:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Mojo-approved, it figures - about as close to modern r&b as they'd get, I assume.

"Rehab" is an ok novelty one-off, but Winehouse is otherwise loathsome, retreading the hoariest soul/lounge clichés. I'm genuinely mystifed that Lex is on this one.

sw00ds, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Her music is beyond stodgy.

sw00ds, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm genuinely mystifed that Lex is on this one.


to be honest so am i. but i like her songs, what can i say...i do think her lyrics are really, really great.

lex pretend, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Jon Pareles in the NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/10/arts/music/10wine.html?th&emc=th

excerpt:
Ms. Winehouse has grown up on hip-hop’s version of R&B, which chops the old dramatic arcs of soul and gospel into sound-bite hooks and showy, almost randomly applied slides and turns. Her voice glints with possibility: tart, smoky, ready to flirt or sob, and capable of the jazzy timing of a Dinah Washington or the declamation of soul singers like Martha Reeves and Carla Thomas. What she doesn’t have, and may not want, is the kind of focus the older singers brought to their songs. Onstage Ms. Winehouse added a British layer of detachment with a performance that switched between confession and indifference.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:55 (sixteen years ago) link

I am going to pretend I never read that.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 May 2007 13:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Why?

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:00 (sixteen years ago) link

x-post -- Because my day glints with possibility.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:01 (sixteen years ago) link

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

danbunny, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:02 (sixteen years ago) link

OK.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 May 2007 14:02 (sixteen years ago) link

It's the Cleo Laine comparison that puzzles me. Other than moderately bizarre hair they have nothing in common.

And I love "Back to Black". It's a great album.

everything, Thursday, 10 May 2007 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link

Marsh is right on with "clumsy pastiche," but he comes off a little clumsy himself with that strained comparison to Bettye Lavette (stupid to take it out on Winehouse because radio doesn't usually play new music by really old people). He's expressed in the not-too-distant past a fondness for r&b of the Aaliyah/Whitney/Mary J. stripe, so he'd have been smarter to draw a comparsion that way, I think. (Then again, is it in r&b circles that Winehouse is getting noticed? Or is she more an "alternative" thing here?)

A critic in a local weekly just drew a comparison between Winehouse and "American Idol"--not one particular vocalist, of course, but the entire idea of it. His point, I believe, was that, finally, here's someone who can really belt it out! I think that was his point; I kind of saw it coming, so I didn't finish the paragraph.

sw00ds, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:02 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't know anything about Cleo Laine's music, but I think Marsh is just playing his "British-people-don't-get-it" card, which he can be a bit too strenuous about.

sw00ds, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link

What she doesn’t have, and may not want, is the kind of focus the older singers brought to their songs. Onstage Ms. Winehouse added a British layer of detachment with a performance that switched between confession and indifference.

"British layer of detachment"--this strikes me as SUCH a cliché, and not even that accurate.

sw00ds, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link

xxpost. Cleo Laine's ouvre is very similar to Shirley Bassey except she's also really into scatting. ie. fuck all like AW. She's aka "Lady Dankworth" lol.

everything, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:17 (sixteen years ago) link

I hear the Shirley Bassey in Amy. As for Marsh's comments, I can also see him now after reading about Winehouse using the Dapkings as her backing band, saying "Hmmmm, Sharon Jones, older-African-American woman backed by the DapKings gets only alt-indie attention while Brit white woman gets major label support, video in rotation, and plays big festivals."

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Oh, for fuck's sake.

There's a certain group of celebs who can't get away with suffering from "exhaustion". Amy Winehouse is one of them.

musically, Thursday, 9 August 2007 06:42 (sixteen years ago) link

They tried to make her go to rehab but you know what happened.

StanM, Thursday, 9 August 2007 06:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Winehouse in drugs collapse: (it's The Sun, but still)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007360754,00.html

Her hubby sounds like a nice fella

nate woolls, Thursday, 9 August 2007 09:30 (sixteen years ago) link

She looks like that midget who used to dance in Marilyn Manson and Soul Assasins videos back in the late 90s in that photo. Only taller.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 9 August 2007 09:34 (sixteen years ago) link

so like Pete Doherty is obsolete now right

marmotwolof, Thursday, 9 August 2007 09:40 (sixteen years ago) link

in th' old days they used and a big story when *we all know* what it means anyway. why's that?

pisces, Thursday, 9 August 2007 10:02 (sixteen years ago) link

We're smarter now because of the internet. That's why Elton John wants it shut down.

StanM, Thursday, 9 August 2007 10:06 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

'Back to Black' just gets better despite it being inescapable.
I can't think of a time before when someone went from being a niche artist to being a massive star in this country purely because of the damn brilliance of one specific album. I mean i'm sure this must have happened before.

With all that's going on at the moment in tabloid-world i feel sorry for her, and i really hope she wins the Mercury prize just to show the lot of them.

And the fucking remixes of the singles have been brilliant, almost as good overall as Justin's last year.

pisces, Monday, 3 September 2007 12:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, people really need to stop going around saying heroin abuse is a bad thing. Won't somebody please think of the children?

Dom Passantino, Monday, 3 September 2007 12:04 (sixteen years ago) link

dom, tabloid coverage of winehouse isn't concern for her well-being, it is common or garden humbug prurience

stevie, Monday, 3 September 2007 12:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I (deliberately) haven't (knowingly) heard her music, so I'm going to have to judge her tattoos:

Dud.

PhilK, Monday, 3 September 2007 12:11 (sixteen years ago) link

the tattoos suck. the album is good times.

stevie, Monday, 3 September 2007 12:24 (sixteen years ago) link

They look like practice tattoos, don't they?

Has she pledged her body to amateur/trainee inkers the same way other people pledge their bodies to medical science?

PhilK, Monday, 3 September 2007 13:31 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm so fucking bored of waiting for her to die. But they never die or even seriously overdose, do they? Pete Doherty is still around wearing stupid hats.

Still, if I had to sell tabloids for a living...

King Boy Pato, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:05 (sixteen years ago) link

...it would be a step-up?

stevie, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm so fucking bored of waiting for her to die

If yr that impatient then I hate to think what, say, Keith Richards still being alive is doing to you

DJ Mencap, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link

I think a certain proportion of long-term celebrities are just government employees who are paid to make it look as if something is "happening". They don't really take drugs or self-harm or have on/off relationships at all.

Kate Moss is a good example. Patently a civil servant.

PhilK, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link

It's kind of a "positive paranoia" I have.

PhilK, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

If yr that impatient then I hate to think what, say, Keith Richards still being alive is doing to you

Zombies are the undead, eejit.

King Boy Pato, Monday, 3 September 2007 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

theyve reissued back to black with a bonus disc - has some cool specials and other covers... i like.

titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 09:45 (sixteen years ago) link

With any luck she could lead to a UK version of those magnificent Cat Power threads our US posters bless us with every now and then.
-- Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 12 January 2007 10:28 (10 months ago) Bookmark Link

She truly exceeded our expectations

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 09:47 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

I say classic.

Maybe its because it's Christmastime and the hell of Christmas shopping is only leavened by hearing The Ronnettes Sleigh Bells in almost every shop. She is probably the only singer since Joey Ramone to really turn the Ronnie Spector influence into something (on a side note, has she ever recorded a Christmas song, and if not then when will she? Surely the definitive version of Merry Christmas (I Don't wanna Fight Tonight) is hers of the taking: retro wink just masking real tears)

I know, right?, Friday, 14 December 2007 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link

interesting article in Mojo, especially since having been granted the Cover status, the article contains nothing other than a run down on the recent shows, as no interview was ever sorted out due to the troubles we all know about, and some quotes from amy back in 2004.
however, i'd say classic which means i should now buy the albums.

mark e, Friday, 14 December 2007 18:14 (sixteen years ago) link


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