people who wear the collars of their polo shirts flipped up

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my dad has penguin shirts, so no way do they cost 70

()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

In order to dress beyond my station, I'd have to wear ermine-lined cloaks and carry around a royal sceptre (and I do not mean my cock for a change).

Ermine-lined cocksocks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

i wear shirts from the thrift store. old navy's too pricey for my blood.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

(Actually an ermine-lined cocksock sounds nice.)

The Ghost of Warm AND Luxurious! (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

no thriftstore has capri pants of this quality

strng hlkgntn, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i think this can look pretty good.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

actually, thrift stores are great places to find Izod shirts. Those things don't wear out.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

this is like an epidemic around my neighborhood, I'm seeing it everywhere. and not just w/ preppies, but lame-o-indies too...all sorts of uncouth hipsters. it's terrible.

Vichitravirya XI (steph jam), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd love to see the pro-flip "appropriating the working class" arguments now.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

the best is seeing the underside of the collar have a deep clean color and the rest of the shirt is all faded. way to paw thru the racks, dude.

g e o f f (gcannon), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

anyway, i might turn up the collar on my jean jacket, but never a shirt. i mean, jesus.

g e o f f (gcannon), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

VIC
GET
OUT
L.A. IS KURTZED

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

according to this frickin idiot this sort of trendy hip hop clothjing and urban wear costs 49$

ive started wearing polo shirts becasue for some reason i decidd that round necks of t shirts look a bit weird, but i will never puit the collar up

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Stephen J. Cannell to thread.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Flip that collar up: Prepsters rule at school!!!!!!

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA!

It's not exactly back to the days of poodle skirts, penny loafers and varsity jackets. Rather, the retro look is freshened with a touch of hip-hop.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm still holding out for the Benetton rugby shirt revival.

Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i wish rugby shirts were a better shape

jones (actual), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link

are there any companies that make decent-looking clothes without stupid little logos on them? please?

Amon (eman), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 01:04 (eighteen years ago) link

The pink polo shirt flipped up is incredibly overbearing in Melbourne at the moment. Not annoying in itself, but definitely in its preponderance. I remember seeing a guy at a dance party about 4 years ago sporting a flipped-up black polo shirt and I fell in love with him immediately, not sure why, it seemed debonair though. The Best Looking & Dressed Guy In The World (wot I saw at Le Pulp in Paris) also sported this look, plus a lovely faded teal v-neck jumper and a red canvas belt. See also Jake Gylenhaal on the cover of Vanity Fair - avant-preppie or something (okay not really avant just preppie)

But yeah, back to the current totalitarian surplus: as a gay man with a genetic affinity for pink, I have issues with macho guys sporting this look. The problem with metrosexualism is not its widespread dominance but its widespread superficial dominance which does little to change the underlying behaviour and attitudes of most of those over whom it holds sway. (for Melbourne readers, I always think of these guys as metaphorically standing on the corner of Chapel St and Commercial Rd)

The really galling thing is that there is now an assumption that, even if you're gay, wearing pink or flipping up the collar is a prima facie metrosexual manoeuvre.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahaha my god, Tim, I was about to wonder aloud if this fad had missed Melbourne, cos I can't even visualise it! Polo shirts yeah sure but this turned up collar biz sounds menko.

I always loathed polo shirts on anyone no matter how they're worn - they screech I AM THE SNOBBY RICH PRICK FROM A JOHN HUGHES FILM really loud.

Esp with the whole white slacks and/or jumper casually tossed over the shoulders and sleeves tied in a knot at the front look. Blech.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 01:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Perhaps I still entertain fantasies of being chosen by the snobby rich prick.

Geeta confirmed for me that my taste in men was hopelessly preppy.

"Esp with the whole white slacks and/or jumper casually tossed over the shoulders and sleeves tied in a knot at the front look. Blech."

Oh but this is a slightly different look Trayce - I'm guessing yr thinking the ralph lauren polo shirts and boat shoes "private school kids at barbecues on Sorrento beach" look.

The current pink polo shirt with collar turned up look is more of a preppy/urban/eurotrash 3-way, and is directly connected to the distressed jeans phenomenon. It's about a wholehearted commitment to following the dictates in fashion trends to the point of counter-intuitiveness (the point of this specific look for example may just be that from an outside perspective it sends all sorts of mixed messages). Whereas the Sorrento Beach look strikes me as being about wealth and refinement transcending fashion - it's an appeal to the timelessness of good, respectable labels and styles etc.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 02:09 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah all the cool kids at my law school are wearing this look, i hate it. polo shirts in pastel colours (dominated by but not limited to salmon) with the collar turned up, distressed jeans, haviana thongs and a towelling cuff halfway up their arm. and a fauxhawk. blech. it's most unattractive.

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 02:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Ohh ok, I see, now I can sort of picture the thing.

Dare I suggest these are the same guys on Commercial rd who would have been sporting the Beckham fauxhawk 18 months ago? =)

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 03:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha I didnt even read gems' post before I wrote that argh.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 03:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't get the point of the towelling cuff thingy. i know most fashion fads are a tad pointless, but that one seems particularly so.

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 03:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I have two of these shirts that were given to me, but COLLAR STAYS DOWN when I wear them.

haitch (haitch), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:17 (eighteen years ago) link

'that were given to me'

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I should come back to Melbourne to insult these horrid people.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:19 (eighteen years ago) link

but they WERE!

haitch (haitch), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:19 (eighteen years ago) link

sure sure

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:20 (eighteen years ago) link

given to him by the sales assistant, after he 'gave' them money

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw a towelling cuff WATCH in a clothes store in SOuthgate y'day. I was sore afraid.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I should come back to Melbourne to insult these horrid people.

Do, Ned! We shall honour the fire and push them all into the Yarra.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:21 (eighteen years ago) link

towelling cuff? fauxhawk?
fucks sake, what next, parachute pleats?

Amon (eman), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:34 (eighteen years ago) link

was there parachute pleats on last week's OC episode? if so then yes

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:35 (eighteen years ago) link

What is this polo shirt hate? They're fantastic; I was so happy to find out they'd come back into fashion (along with army print/combats, unless this is a japan-only thing?). Am even wearing one today! I will turn up my collar to spite you all, bitcheczzzz.

TOWELLING CUFFS OMG I need one.

in my heart of hearts I am a preppy boy (cis), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:43 (eighteen years ago) link

"Dare I suggest these are the same guys on Commercial rd who would have been sporting the Beckham fauxhawk 18 months ago? =)"

No they never actually stray onto Commercial Rd unless maybe going to Commercial Lounge. It's all about the corner.

By fauxhawk do you mean the mull-hawk? (though I prefer "moulet" with an accent over the e). They're still sporting those I think, although strictly speaking the pink polo shirt look is for those who don't quite have the courage to mess up their hair. The fauxhawk/moulet crowd tend to wear one-off boutique designer t-shirts (looking like a Munch knock-off maybe) with pin-striped blazers sporting some strange imprinted illustration on one side like an insignia.

x-post Seth is an indie boy / metrosexual cross (fashion equivalent of a schnoodle maybe) I think. I love him either because of it or inspite of it, I'm not sure which. Ryan bravely rejects the entire metrosexual crusade.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 04:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay.

I just walked home from the Egyptian Theatre.

Out of all the dashing young men there, who was the most prominent, the one most explicitly displaying an aura of nonchalant pulchritude?

ARE YOU GUESSING THE ONE WITH THE PINK POLO SHIRT WITH THE COLLAR UPTURNED? If so, you win.

You guys think I'm joking or being facetious with my venting, don't you? See....even my _pink_ point has been proven true as expressed on the spencer-chowite/ how do non-drinkers get laid thread. He was with a beautiful female, whose fag-hag status is unknown. Aside from what Tim states about it, can I just emphasize here that no one knows anything in these damned days of metrosexuality...AND IT'S FUCKING FRUSTRATING WHEN QUEERS CAN'T IDENTIFY THEIR OWN ANYMORE...

How are we supposed to flirt with you when you're intoxicated and make subtle innuendo jokes if we aren't even sure you're straight, Oh Men of Avowed Heterosexuality?! Stop it, hipsters!

Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 05:30 (eighteen years ago) link

More concerningly, "light metrosexualism" has penetrated the community so pervasively that you can get guys with pretty homophobic attitudes appearing quite gay-leaning - which makes flirting all the more fraught...

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 05:32 (eighteen years ago) link

fag-hag and/pr "date" status, I mean. Naturally.

And yes...I miss the ha thrilling days of being able to dress identifiably gay and being excited when going to a non-gay designated area / straight setting, and having your heart beat faster / getting all excited when some non-identiifiably gay man started giving you subtle hints and signals like oh say...KISSING YOUR HAND and such. A certain Ilxor would know what I mean here...

...even though ahem - I- personally never lived such thrilling days as I never had gay-identified clothing and have only experienced this vicariously - except for those twice or thrice thrilling times - thru soft-core "erotic stories" ETC

Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe now we're really talking about gay guys fetishing straight guys and their dorky fashions.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 05:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't let me change the topic, as "fetishing straight guys" is a good one that totally deserves its own thread...but I'd feel weird starting it, as it seems it should only exist in some Queer Alternative-ILX that straight people primarily lurk at and post little to, or something. Not here!!

I'm going out again, and will count up the number of upturned collars I see and report back here. Also pink shirts, and any cominations. I will also likely run into Spencer Chow, so we have a good chance of me at least finding something.

Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 11 May 2005 05:53 (eighteen years ago) link

don't forget to keep an eye out for those towelling cuffs as well

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 05:55 (eighteen years ago) link

otm with the Lacoste comment upthread, the only polo shirts I own these days are Lacoste and collar popping is impossible with both.

this was an English public school trend about six years ago anyway surely? I don't think anyone's stopped. Its attractiveness is dependent on what kind of t-shirt it is and what you look like.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 06:17 (eighteen years ago) link

it still is an english public school trend!

(i have just noticed that one of my poshboy mates is has his collar up AS WE SPEAK. well, type.)

spontine (cis), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 06:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess this is one of those things where, if you're already incredibly cute, you can get away with doing this, and if you're not, you can't. Life is unfair.

I am wearing a Lacoste knit shirt, and it's got yellow and orange stripes and, I think, looks good. But I cannot pull off flipping the collar. It just doesn't work on me. It makes me feel like I'm trying to get into a bar with a fake ID or something. I guess I lack a certain unselfconscious rakish devil-may-care laddish attitude.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 07:01 (eighteen years ago) link

"I guess this is one of those things where, if you're already incredibly cute, you can get away with doing this, and if you're not, you can't. Life is unfair."

Ha Ha OTM. Cute guys look even cuter when they make fashion moves that only they can get away with.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 07:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Rondell White knows where it's at: (check the arm)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/rondell_cuff.jpg

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:03 (eighteen years ago) link

That was actually something about half the major-leaguers rocked on May 8, for breast-cancer awareness. I didn't know what was going on at first, though. I thought that a pink wrist-band craze had just spontaneously swept baseball.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 08:05 (eighteen years ago) link


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