Fucking great, the BNP assholes are in this area...

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Sorry, I meant to say "you dirty English bastards"

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:45 (nineteen years ago) link

That's what I thought.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link

(And Pash the NEDs gallery won't come up, but there's an instructive page on Glaswegian weapons, presumably wielded by the fop population....)

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.glasgowsurvival.co.uk/gallery/gallery.html


??

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Hm something funny happening, can see your link but can't get there from the site itself. They look like non-executive directors.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i think we need to start a thread about bitter ironing.

the main problem is that you can never get rid of the bubbles.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

My Dad and five half sisters are black, I'm mixed race. My sisters and I have all been born and brought up in and around Glasgow and the only racist abuse I encountered stopped a good few years ago. It was always from groups of young boys - really young and was of the mindless "Go back to where you came from" shit. Dad moved here from Barbados over fifty years ago and had virtually no abuse targeted at him whatsoever.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:56 (nineteen years ago) link

That's Glasgow for ya

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:58 (nineteen years ago) link

In general I've found that Scotland, though mainly white, is open and acceptive to all races. Unless everybody I have met walks away from me mumbling "half caste bastard, go back to where you came from" under their breath.

I think the asylum seekers being shipped into Sighthill awakened a lot of latent racism, but the folk who live there are of the poor giro-class pack mentality anyway.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Coming from a pokey little town on the West coast of Scotland, when I think back to incidents of racism and nationalism/regionalism it strikes me that our own small town ignorance and lack of integration with other cultures might well be our downfall.

Apart from Asian families there was very little variety of cultures where I was brought up, certainly no West-Indian, African or Eastern European people. I felt a total hick on my first Southbound Victoria-Line train journey after moving to London and I kinda realised that the geographical seperation of my childhood was a total petri-dish for that evil, almost casual half-hearted regionalism and racism that stinks up many Scottish peoples attitudes.

mzui, Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the asylum seekers being shipped into Sighthill awakened a lot of latent racism, but the folk who live there are of the poor giro-class pack mentality anyway.

Unfortunately it's comments like these which make "the folk who live there" into racists.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

BNP leaflets spark investigation


Elections to the European Parliament take place in June
An investigation has been launched into European election leaflets delivered through letterboxes by the British National Party.
A number of complaints have been made to Strathclyde Police claiming the leaflets are "insulting and abusive".

The procurator-fiscal's office in Glasgow is now studying the leaflets.

The BNP said it was free to distribute what it claimed was factual material and argued that there was nothing in the literature which broke the law.

The BNP, like many political parties, is distributing election material across Scotland in the run-up to the European elections on 10 June.

Examining material

The Glasgow charity, Positive Action in Housing, said it had received 55 complaints about the leaflets, which show a Union Flag being burnt by men of Arab extraction above claims of an "asylum time bomb".

Strathclyde Police said they had brought the matter to the attention of the procurator fiscal, who is examining the material and considering an investigation.

It is thought that other fiscals in Scotland may soon follow suit.

Solicitor advocate Gerry Brown said that the leaflets could contravene laws on inciting racial hatred or simply cause such alarm or distress that they committed a breach the peace.

I think this is a total waste of police time and a big fuss about nothing

Steve Blake
BNP

He said: "I would have thought that with something as important as this - with the impact on local communities - it is almost certain that the procurator fiscal's office in Glasgow will refer the enquiries and reports to the Lord Advocate in Edinburgh."

One woman who received the leaflet told BBC Scotland: "I was almost too upset to read it. I was very shocked and felt it was an incitement to racial hatred."

The woman complained to her local mail sorting office who told her that, due to election communication, no-one could prevent the leaflet from being posted.

Kay Hampton, of the Commission for Racial Equality in Scotland, encouraged people to report to the police any materials which "appear to encourage racial hatred".

'Fear and anxiety'

She added: "Elections should be a time for the fullest debate of the issues faced by people across Scotland, but that debate should be informed by fact and directed towards solutions.

"It should not be an occasion for peddling prejudice and stirring up and exploiting fear and anxiety."

The BNP's Steve Blake said there was nothing in the leaflet which broke the law.

"I think this is a total waste of police time," he went on.

"The material was given the OK by our team of legal experts so to be honest, I think this is a big fuss about nothing.

"We are clear that we do not advocate any kind of violent attack on anybody simply because of who they are.

"The majority of people who are in the BNP and the vast majority of people who plan to vote for us, are law abiding, decent, hard-working British people."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3752615.stm

Newshound, Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

If you're going to damn them as "the poor giro-class pack mentality" - a phrase of which Norman Tebbit would be proud - then you can hardly be surprised when they start reacting accordingly.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Agree with Marcello on that one

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah and London isn't racist... it's virtually spot the black person in the shitty paying manual jobs as soon as you step off the train and into that horrid ceasepool of a city.

P.S. Marcello OTM.

CRW (CRW), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Ceasepool is a truly great word!

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:14 (nineteen years ago) link

places aren't racist, just some of the people who live in those places

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:16 (nineteen years ago) link

oh they're all black are they? i never even thought about that...

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Can anyone point a clueless USian at an example of BNP crap? I wanna see a primary source.

Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah and London isn't racist... it's virtually spot the black person in the shitty paying manual jobs as soon as you step off the train and into that horrid ceasepool of a city.
P.S. Marcello OTM.

haha have you been to london lately crw?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Or at all, for that matter

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah and London isn't racist...

I wasn't talking about London tho', you can't put a frame around racist people and say that Stoke is more racist that Dundee etc.

X-post Pashmina

mzui, Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Can anyone point a clueless USian at an example of BNP crap? I wanna see a primary source.

YOu might as well Google for that if you really want to photoshop 'ILX' in place of 'BNP' on whatever you find know

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:21 (nineteen years ago) link

There are no direct trains from up Calum's arse, apparently.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

jon, you could probably find something from google, if you really wanted to. Their MO is usually to hide their race hate behind talk of "faith", "family", "patriotism" yadda yadda. they also tend to hijack emotive issues, ie crime, environment, p43d0ph|l|a etc.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

The thought of Jon googling the BNP and getting onto some kind of FBI watch list pleases me greatly.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:24 (nineteen years ago) link

the issue of what must be 95% of the min-wage service jobs in London being carried out by non-British people isn't necessarily an example of institutionalised racism in the capital I'd say, more to do with an obvious influx in recent years that's difficult to manage esp. wrt to equal opportunities or whatever you choose to call it. Of course a lot teachers and medics are recent immigrants too and thank God they decided to come over and help the shortages there.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:24 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yes. Plus, plz no direct links to bnp sites, referral logs, etc.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:25 (nineteen years ago) link

how mainstream iz the BNP?

Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:26 (nineteen years ago) link

El partido homologo al BNP en España, Democracia Nacional, hace un llamamiento a todos los Británicos que residan en España para que apoyen con su voto al BNP en las Elecciones Europeas. Democracia Nacional considera que el BNP es el único partido que defenderá los derechos de los británicos en Europa.


De igual modo, desde el BNP hacemos un llamamiento similar a todos los españoles que residan en Gran Bretaña, y por extensión, a todos los españoles que lean este comunicado (cualquiera que sea su lugar de residencia). Te pedimos el voto para Democracia Nacional, para que pueda luchar por la identidad, cultura e independencia española y europea.

Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:26 (nineteen years ago) link

That's the most sense I've ever heard out of the BNP

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link


ENVIRONMENT - NO to pollution!

Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. “The polluter pays to clean up the mess” must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and a more human scale.

What should I read between the lines here?

Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Hitler would vote for them, that's for sure

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Hitler loved the UK in the early 1930's didn't he?

Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

they went to public school but are hippies

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

It shows a healthy respect for the subject when it's used solely because it's universally unobjectionable and therefore a useful tool to get people to like/pay attention to you. As if.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

c.f. terminology: "poor giro-class pack mentality" Vs. "neds". TS.

sorry, but I've come to hate the economies of presumption and condescension built into, unleashed and galvanised by the phrase 'ned'.

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"Hitler was a GREAT painter! He could do an entire apartment, two coats, one afternoon!"

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Hitler loved the UK in the early 1930's didn't he?

i think he preferred it in the 1850s

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

What kind of music does the BNP like?

Hongroism?
Oi?

Be sure to Loop! Loop, Loop, Loop. (ex machina), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:31 (nineteen years ago) link

would hitler vote for the BNP?

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Nick Griffin, yesterday:

"Charchill! Charchill! With his cigars and his rotten paintings, rotten paintings! He couldn't even say Nazi, he would say Naaaaazzzzzzzii. We wasn't Naaaaazzzzis, we was Nazis!!!!!"

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

buns 'n' poses, obv

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

xxxpost

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I fully admit that my comment about the people of Sighthill was a bit nasty, but they were all out in force raging about the influx of asylum seekers saying that they would take their jobs when it is well known that the majority of people living living in this poverty stricken area - as most Glaswegians will back up - do not have jobs and exist on benefits. It is a disgusting area made up of some of Glasgows poorest herion addicts, shop lifters et al crammed together in high rise flats and the most ridiculous area to put vulnerable asylum seekers in. It is this non-educated subclass that would be the least amenable to other cultures moving in - and they proved that by assaulting and verbally abusing the poor immigrants who were forced to live amongst them.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

glasgowsurvival.co.uk

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Oops

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link

the 'Oi' scene did attract a BNP faction altho fans of the scene such as Gary Bu5hell have tried to distance themselves from that (preferring his own more diluted style of bigotry i expect) naturally.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Cozen is otm re 'neds'. I am sick to the back teeth of this shit.

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Being a "ned" is nothing to do with being poor, it's about being a dick for the most part

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link


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