San Francisco and what to do in it

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Musee Mecanique is definitely extremely cool. that was a place we always took folks when it was on the cliffhouse.

don't forget Merritt's in oakland for good homestyle cooking... chicken and waffles is THE SHIT!
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msp, Monday, 7 July 2003 15:19 (twenty years ago) link

i'm not sure if you're going to be in the east bay during the weekend, but you have to go to Berkely on Sunday morning. across the street from the Ashby BART station (where they have a killer flea market with a real drum circle, not that hippy shit you find in Golden Gate park, and you can buy some crazy swords) is a Thai Temple. every Sunday until about 1.30 or 2, they have Thai brunch. it's the best thing in the entire world. everything is super duper cheap, and the servings are huge. 4$ gets you a heaping serving of your favorite Thai food. The mangos and sticky rice are to die for!!!

Hahaha! That's my (current, until September) hood, Jason. Frankly, that drum circle, or any drum circle I have thus far seen in my brief time in Berkeley, grate like stainless steel on gorgonzola. That said, there are some great swords, and some decent looking used stereo equipment, too (note to future self). The thai temple is key, though I'm not sure why they still serve tofu in the non-veggie section. Make the right choices, and the food is definitely worth it.

Also - the aforementioned comic shop by Mod Lang (British Indie Music? At Extortionate Prices? You should have seen the look on my face) is called Comic Relief.

I also discovered that you can buy a ticket at the UA theatre on Shattuck and just jump from screen to screen all day. That is, if you think The Hulk, Terminator 3, and Charlie's Angels:Full Throttle are even collectively worth $6. Much better, the Pacific Film Archive has an Aki Kaurismaki season at the moment-worth a look if Clarke or Stolenbus are into that kind of thing.

Anthony/Kyle - check your mail (in about ten minutes).

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 7 July 2003 16:25 (twenty years ago) link

Nordicskillz, i understand what you're saying about drum circles grating, but if you had to choose a bunch of fucking gutter punkz stoned out their gourd with no rhythm, or a bunch of real african dudes and some latin guys (and probably a few stoned out their gourd hippies), i'd choose the later.

JasonD (JasonD), Monday, 7 July 2003 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

agreed, Jason. Though I have not a little love for gutter punkz.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 7 July 2003 16:35 (twenty years ago) link

There's a lovely leather store called Stormy Leather that you might want to check-out - staffed by little goth lesbians. Delightful.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Monday, 7 July 2003 19:19 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
i forgot the arrow bar on 6th between market and mission, it's in a fairly shady part of town but can be fun... *hic*

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 01:58 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
clarke and stolenbus:
how's the trip planning?

i have no idea if you guys like america's favorite pasttime:

I wish I could say something original about Pac Bell Park, but I'm afraid I'm going to say what everybody else says: It's great. There aren't many beautiful ballparks in the major leagues, but I think Pac Bell just might qualify, especially when the Giants, in their classic cream-colored uniforms, are arrayed about the greensward.

My favorite place in the majors is a good seat at Fenway Park, but now I think my second-favorite place in baseball might be standing on the walkway beyond the right-field wall at Pac Bell, wondering if Barry Bonds is going to hit one over my head and into the water. It's something that every fan should experience at least once ... and the nice thing is, the cheapest ticket can get you there.
-- Rob Neyer

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 8 August 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

Hey gygax, thanks for asking! Contrary to suspicion upthread, stolenbus is actually my beautiful ladyfriend and not my old roommate charlieva. ;-) So yeah, our planning's going well; we've got our lame touristy guidebooks (and a print-out of this thread that I foresee as being even more helpful), our ho(s)tels booked (Adelaide in Union Square, YMCA in Berkeley, San Remo in North Beach), and a Monday afternoon reservation at Anchor Brewery (hells yeah). I'm getting excited about the things I usually get excited about (food, brew, records), except just *way* more. This thread is a wonderful thing indeed, and we thank you all for it. Oh yeah, I really like baseball, too, so the park might be a lot of fun...

Clarke B., Saturday, 9 August 2003 04:30 (twenty years ago) link

You're still coming down here too, right? ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 August 2003 04:39 (twenty years ago) link

It really would be awesome to meet up with you, Ned! We won't have a car or anything, so it's obviously going to be a challenge to make it down to OC, but if you have any spare time between the 14th and the 26th and can make it up here, we could have a good ol' FAP (Emily's and my first it'd be!). Heck, we could make a day trip out of it and visit Sonoma or something... Also, if anyone who lives in SF has a car and wants to tour wineries, we'd be happy to pay gas money. ;-)

Clarke B., Saturday, 9 August 2003 04:43 (twenty years ago) link

Alas! No can do, the next two weekends are already blocked out for one reason or another to a fair extent, and while I was pondering making a run up to SF for Labor Day or something, that would be after you are gone. Next time! And have fun with the good people in SF. :-) Touring wineries without me, I cry at the lost opportunity.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 August 2003 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

We're here!!

Clarke B., Friday, 15 August 2003 04:21 (twenty years ago) link

Yay! Are you partying it down already?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 August 2003 04:23 (twenty years ago) link

nice, have a good time!

if you have any questions, i can be reached here sporadically M-Th 7am-7pm and Fridays 8am-12noon.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 15 August 2003 05:04 (twenty years ago) link

if you have any questions, i can be reached here sporadically M-Th 7am-7pm and Fridays 8am-12noon.

first, you're working too much.

secondly, i'm telling elenor you're using work time for ILX

JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 15 August 2003 05:07 (twenty years ago) link

hi gygax! i miss you

JasonD (JasonD), Friday, 15 August 2003 05:07 (twenty years ago) link

is this worktime mothafuckah? i thought not! tell me about it, i'd like to post more about the top 20 p. diddy couplets but you know, my ass is clocked by the time you're cralwing in from another schoolnight out on the town, son.

but yeah, i miss you too babydoll. we should hook up (tomorrow?) for something. i still owe you a night out on the town for your bday. we can invite your wife or maybe not??!?!?!?!?!

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 15 August 2003 05:21 (twenty years ago) link

i may be at the following shows:

8/16 Hemlock - Neil Hamburger/Dr. El Suavo (Australia)
8/18 Cafe Du Norde - M. Ward*
8/20 Grandma's House, Oakland - Friends Forever, Healthy Healthy, Hale Zukas
8/22 Bottom of the Hill - Las Ultrasonicas, Human Life Index, Viki, Mammal

*I will most definitely be at this show.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 15 August 2003 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

Emily and I are probably going to see VVRRSN (or however the hell you spell it) - a Surface of Eceyon side-project thing-y - on Sunday. There's also a McSweeney's reading or something that night that might be interesting... Sorry you can't make it up here, Ned! ;-) We made a trip to day to Amoeba (oh god wow), and I'll be sure to make another one (or two?) in your honor. More later!

Clarke B., Saturday, 16 August 2003 05:03 (twenty years ago) link

Where is that show (the Surface of Eceyon thing)?

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 16 August 2003 06:39 (twenty years ago) link

The show is at the Balazo Gallery on Market. It's Adam Forkner from Yume Bitsu. There are some other bands playing too (The Windup Bird (ex 33.3), The One AM Radio, Tenebre) but I've never actually heard any of them. I think it's only 5 bucks, and the website I saw said it starts at 7:30, so...

stolenbus (stolenbus), Sunday, 17 August 2003 06:10 (twenty years ago) link

balazo is on 24th & mission (not market). my friend keeps telling me to check out [[[[VVRSSNN]]]], so i think i might go to the show? here's info from the K records website:

VVRSSNN SOFT DOLPHIN YARN LAZER in AUGUST:

AUGUST 17TH BALAZO GALLERY, 24th and mission, SAN FRANCISCO, CA 7:30 pm, $5 donation. w/ tenebre, windup bird (ALL AGES)

JasonD (JasonD), Sunday, 17 August 2003 18:07 (twenty years ago) link

Inspired by my drive to work today:

pet central
660 broadway @ grant - chinatown

walk all the way in to the store and down the stairs in the back to the lower level huge room of aquariums... the most bizarre collection of fish/aquatic life i've ever seen.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:32 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
Anybody know where to get a large number of nice flowers on Sat?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:39 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, the project is revealed! Sorta.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:40 (twenty years ago) link

Anybody know where to get a large number of nice flowers on Sat?

the flower mart opens at 5am but that's for trade only. i think it opens for allcomers at 10am. (blame my XXGF for all this knowledge). cut out the middleman spence.

6th st. btw. bryant/brannan.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:47 (twenty years ago) link

I fail to see what this has to do with graphic design.

but I bet gygax knows, he seems like the romantic type.

(x-post!)

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:49 (twenty years ago) link

haha, there are designs!

and thanks gygax!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

np spencer. ps: i have something for you that my lazy ass has not sent via snailmail. how about a rendezvous saturday night around 7:45pm at a restaurant of your choice? ;-D

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:53 (twenty years ago) link

Gygax, are you coming on to Spencer? WELL.

I get this image of Spencer using a Peter Saville lecture as the equivalent of a Barry White album.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago) link

gygax, if things go as poorly as they very well might, then you're on!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago) link

and Ned, I've found out that does not actually work!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago) link

What did you do, leave that Tony Wilson interview with him playing in the background or something?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 February 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago) link

I'm just trying to find a girl who will even just put up with that kind of thing, let alone be turned on by it!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Oh you guys (Spencer and gygax!, I mean) should SO go to Foreign Cinema!

hahahahaha!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:01 (twenty years ago) link

hahaha that's where I went last valentine's day which helped instigated the whole argument.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:06 (twenty years ago) link

I WAS AT THE BAR THAT NIGHT! (from about 10:30-11:00)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:08 (twenty years ago) link

the front part, Lazlo (sp?)

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:08 (twenty years ago) link

A Peter Saville lecture would be sooooo much hotter than a Barry White album.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 02:51 (twenty years ago) link

The farmer's market at the ferry building will be going on Saturday morning. I'm sure you find everything you need there.

svend (svend), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 04:08 (twenty years ago) link

"'In San Francisco you have sex,' said a friend. 'In New York you wait for people to come.'" - Andrew Holleran

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 04:24 (twenty years ago) link

Hey! I coulda gave you the ones I had to throw away today without ever giving them to the person I bought them for. (don't ask)

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 07:50 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
I was going to recommend: Zeitgeist, The Crowbar (dark kinda punk bar on broadway/kearny in north beach), and The Uptown but I checked in with my billiards buddy who has lived in San Francisco, Berkeley, Oakland, Alameda, Emeryville and back again to SF and here's he has to say:

"East Bay:

Thalassa (Dwight & Shattuck) Large scale bar with tons of hourly tables and one coin operated table on the outside patio area. Surprisingly good jukebox, big chairs and booths. Friday nights are all UC Berkeley kids, good or bad depending on your view, but everything is spread out enough that you won't be constantly running into people. Local hero quotient- n/a (hourly tables)

The Mallard (San Pablo & Solano, roughly) Smaller two story bar, upstairs has hourly tables and a nice ambiance, downstairs is more like your local pub with coin tables. Great jukebox as well, several of my friends work there. Local hero quotient- n/a (hourly tables)

The Mel-o-Dee (San Pablo in the shopping center just past Solano) Great old man bar, pool table gets put away around 9pm on Saturday nights for Kareoke. Other than yourself the youngest whipper snapper in the bar will be around 55-60. A Lookout! favorite it's the secret spot for hipsters in one night I was in the same room as members of Green Day, The Donnas, Bratmobile and Bikini Kill. Please note the velvet wall paper while you're there, and the drink specials are a good alternative to all of the fruity, slushy crap you get elsewhere. Local hero quotient- low

The Hut (College Ave near Rockridge Bart) Good old fashioned college/skater semi dive bar, good food options in the neighborhood. 3 tables, two small, one large. Local hero quotient- moderate but beatable

The Ruby Room (14th St and Jackson Downtown Oakland) Good and smokey, lots of KALX DJs spin there on the weekends, hipsters, but it's in Oakland so they aren't the SF style hipsters, much cooler. Local hero quotient- moderate to high, but they're not that good so you can play for awhile.


San Francisco:

The Pig and Whistle (Geary near Divisadero) Good for daytime/happy hour pool, lots of Irish and English blokes about after their Saturday Futbol matches adds interest. Local hero quotient- low unless you catch a renegade Irishman, then you're doomed.

The Big Pool Hall Next Door to the Pig and Whistle a favorite haunt of local teens and such, really interesting crowd, be prepared to be the only "gwai lo". Friday night's it'll take you forever to get a table, but it's worth it just to people watch, put your name on the list and have a beer at the Pig and Whistle. Local hero quotient- n/a (hourly tables)

Kennedy's (Columbus across from Bimbo's) Pretty much the perfect spot, and Irish pub with cheap, really good, Indian food, $2 Beamish and Guinness all the time. You'll pretty much drink and eat yourself silly until you can't get up the the pool table. Local hero quotient- low, everyone is usually too drunk to step up.

Casanova: (16th & Valencia) only one table, but it's a good place to hang out and wait for your turn. DJs on the weekends, good jukebox otherwise. Local hero quotient- moderate, but mostly bridge and tunnel guys that had tables in their frat hall.


Others:

The Uptown (17th & Capp, SF) great dive bar for playing, cool crowd, but on occasion you'll get destroyed by a toothless Mexican who lives in the neighborhood. Waste of a dollar if you and a friend are just trying to hang out and have a fun time.

The Albion and Kilowatt (16th and Mission, SF) good but always crowded and full of random punkers with Napoleon complexes looking to vent their angst with our government on you at pool. The only saving grace is that there is a well dressed 60 year old black man that hangs out there and is virtually unbeatable, great entertainment watching him destroy tough guys, hammered me down in my peak of pool playing performance by shooting in all but one ball off of the break, I got one shot and then it was over.

Zeitgeist (14th & ?) [gygax! notes: Duboce] Huge patio, good food and great crowd, perfect for sunny Sunday afternoons because on nice days the pool table is pretty much ignored."

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 21:48 (twenty years ago) link

OMG

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 21:50 (twenty years ago) link

PoolFAP PoolFAP!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 21:52 (twenty years ago) link

some of his reviews are suspect. kennedy's indian food for one is not cheap nor good so take w/ grain of salt. also his casanova review is kinda weird (considering he used to be a B&T himself), granted i haven't been there in a while but it used to have entertainment booked by anthony who now books the hemlock, the best music venue in SF! plus they had (have?) a rita chao disc on the jukebox!

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 21:57 (twenty years ago) link

Two pool tables at Sadie's Flying Elephant! Potrero @ Mariposa! Dive bar! Cheap beer! Plenty of parking! Plus I live five minutes away by foot. (The only problem here is I'm useless at pool.)

Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 21:58 (twenty years ago) link

Adam, I stumbled across your thread about the peanut butter & cranberry & apple & banana on sourdough sandwich you had somewhere on Mission, and I'm seriously wishing I'd remembered it when I was in town.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 22:01 (twenty years ago) link

@d@m thinks Thalassa is too clean. I think it's filled with annoying students as per the mention above, and the music is BAD, but otherise it would be an excellent place.

the ruby room is a crap bar these days (or was the last time I went there). it was fun the first year it opened but rapidly declined. Their table isn't great and there are always a dozen people trying to use it.

BUT, the Mallard is in fact excellent. The Uptown has an okay table in a dedicated pool room and has the extra benefit of being half a block from the studio where I record so i've actually used it. The Makeout Room's table is sloped and too close to the wall even though I love the bar.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

i'd be into this. the hemlock would be my choice, the best juke in town that i can think of. of course the drawback is that the pool table is dimly lit and rather beat.

metfigga (metfigga), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 22:14 (twenty years ago) link


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