Is Bob Dylan overrated?

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I don't get it.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 November 2022 15:34 (one year ago) link

this?

http://www.amiright.com/album-covers/thelonious-monk-underground-parodies/

StanM, Saturday, 26 November 2022 15:42 (one year ago) link

I only got
Aaaa shirt to go
---Vertigo.

dow, Saturday, 26 November 2022 18:04 (one year ago) link

Dan Chiasson's New Yorker reviews turned me on to some good poetry (better than most New Yorker poetry), and his review there of a Joni Mitchell bio was also astute---this Philosophy of Modern Song coverage starts great, makes me want to subscribe and read whole thing:
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2022/12/08/road-maps-for-the-soul-philosophy-of-modern-song-bob-dylan/

dow, Saturday, 26 November 2022 18:35 (one year ago) link

It is surprising to find the bratty sneer of “My Generation” (“I hope I die before I get old”) moved to an assisted-living facility. Dylan, though, is “being wheeled around” not by nurses but by buses, as he moves from town to town and continent to continent on his Never Ending Tour...
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dow, Saturday, 26 November 2022 18:38 (one year ago) link

I thought that ended some time ago

Mark G, Saturday, 26 November 2022 22:51 (one year ago) link

NFT embedded in splinter of the true cross of Blonde on BLonde

| (Latham Green), Tuesday, 29 November 2022 02:04 (one year ago) link

ok, I know Dylan imitations are typically shit but this is pretty great

James Austin Johnson sings “Jingle Bells” as Bob Dylan through the decades. #FallonTonight pic.twitter.com/kuPegi5Dhw

— The Tonight Show (@FallonTonight) November 29, 2022

bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Tuesday, 29 November 2022 20:40 (one year ago) link

LMAO that guy really knows his Dylan. He even wisely avoids Dylan circa 1978-1988 - the voice of that era is too easy and parodied too many times already.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 22:37 (one year ago) link

Aw... that's the voice I always do (to no one in the family's amusement)!

"Mick Wall at Kerrang!" (morrisp), Tuesday, 29 November 2022 22:39 (one year ago) link

"I think Calvin Coolidge said that"

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 November 2022 23:15 (one year ago) link

My favorite is Before the Flood Dylan, when he admittedly was so exhausted by the end of the tour that the singing lost all "sensitivity" and became "full out power" (i.e. just yelling the words out). Almost every track came from the very last day and it shows. Every word is enunciated with clarity, but it's the most random and bizarre phrasing he's ever done.

Which reminds me, Johnson gets one thing wrong - the 1975 tour wasn't incomprehensible, if anything that was the very last tour where Dylan was able to enunciate every single word clearly (until the current one where having the lyrics in front of him have done wonders).

birdistheword, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 23:34 (one year ago) link

sounds like a recipe for a good album

| (Latham Green), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 17:37 (one year ago) link

Lay Lady Lay sounds more like a command on this album

| (Latham Green), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 17:41 (one year ago) link

The Guardian actually did an article looking into signed books:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/nov/29/do-the-write-thing-do-authors-use-autopen

Crime author Louise Candlish once signed 6,000 books in one day, which “involved a team of five people each doing different jobs” such as “opening the book to the title page, sliding the book towards me, taking the signed book and stacking” and so on. The endeavour was “exhausting” and Candlish burned through eight to 10 pens. She says she had to take regular breaks “to do hand exercises, stretching and squeezing and waggling”.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 22:28 (one year ago) link

The Roots really nailed it in that sketch, too

Indexed, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 22:37 (one year ago) link

god, Jimmy Fallon is so repulsive. loved the impressions but it was hard to watch

budo jeru, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 22:49 (one year ago) link

why would someone want an autograph taht was performed so mechanically and with no personal touch - may was well have farted into a ziploc bag and tied that to the book

| (Latham Green), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 23:25 (one year ago) link

xxxpost Before The Flood is one of my faves too, and agree about force x clarity---glarity, even, at times---but always heard it as plenty expressive too, and never "random and bizarre," though can be startling, esp. somewhut reggae-ish realignment of "It Ain't Me Babe"---but the goin'-away-struttin', and "ha-ha-heart" in particular, soar and zing 'way past the guilt-tripping, pouty, passive-aggressive original---and overall, I quickly came to think of almost all these as the definitive versions, so far (hoping he would keep going with the realignments, as he did, of course). It's one of those great examples of relative geezers getting on the Arena Rock gravy train, like Van Morrison's It's Too Late To Stop Now (original double-LP, that is; the expanded reissue might be too much), and Rock & Roll Animal, though it's maybe a tad too close to the Arena Rock usual, in its way (Peter Laughner's Creem take: "Reed has Johnny Winterized his classics...")

dow, Thursday, 1 December 2022 20:09 (one year ago) link

Still haven't heard D.'s Real Live and Budokan, but am told they have their moments. Agree about the '75 tour, as heard on ye olde Hard Rain LP and Renaldo and Clara inclusions, though some of that is a little too bombastic (the live "Isis" from this era, sometimes on YouTube, is strong as hell/can't touch this).

dow, Thursday, 1 December 2022 20:14 (one year ago) link

I think I know what you mean. Looking up Christgau's original review, I think he picked up on the same: "his voice settles in at a rich bellow, running over his old songs like a truck. I agree that a few of them will never walk again, but I treasure the sacrilege; Uncle Bob purveying to the sports arena masses."

I was actually surprised when I found out how much the press loved Before the Flood when it came out (though Greil Marcus has since walked back his initial rave) but it made more sense when I heard Dylan's prior tours to see where people were coming from.

Re: Real Live I haven't done a deep dive into that tour, but IIRC Dylan fans typically say that 1) he should've kept the trio he had on Letterman rather than hiring big-name accompanists and 2) regardless, the album they compiled was poorly chosen and ignored better performances. I think "Tangled Up in Blue" is supposed to be THE highlight, and Rob Sheffield has singled it out. It was definitely the highlight when I put on the album, but it stands out in a good way only in that context - I once played six different versions of that song from six different tours just for the hell of it, and the Real Live version seemed to be the least enjoyable.

Budokan has passionate fans but I'm definitely not one of them. Thoroughly awful to me without a single performance I ever want to hear again.

birdistheword, Thursday, 1 December 2022 23:24 (one year ago) link

Budokan is the one Dylan album I have a hard time getting through. The arrangements are just…. ugh. Way too much flute for a Dylan record.

Cow_Art, Friday, 2 December 2022 02:22 (one year ago) link

What do yall think about the Isle of Wight set?

dow, Friday, 2 December 2022 03:04 (one year ago) link

The one in the deluxe "Another Self Portrait"?

I think it's great. And I found the "Budokan" album unlistenable.

Mark G, Friday, 2 December 2022 08:10 (one year ago) link

Guess I'm the only one who digs Budokan. But then again, I love Street Legal as well.

lord of the rongs (anagram), Friday, 2 December 2022 08:27 (one year ago) link

Ballad of a Thin Man budokan is p cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmVLH0PtZ4Y

but yeah in the long run the flute and Vegas vibes a bit much

some say the Japan shows were the worst on the tour and later American shows much better, never bothered to look into it but maybe a bootlegger can enlighten us

corrs unplugged, Friday, 2 December 2022 10:01 (one year ago) link

I like Isle of Wight. I don't want to oversell it - it's not one of his great shows and some things don't work as well as others - but it's tough to complain because Dylan wasn't touring at the time and I think it's the only full-length show he put on between the 1966 and 1974 tours (though he's had plenty of guest appearances and one-offs, including two others with the Band).

"Highway 61 Revisited" is THE highlight of the show - great pick for the standard two-disc edition of Another Self Portrait. I generally prefer the part with the Band, but from the solo numbers, I think "Wild Mountain Thyme" and "It Ain't Me, Babe" are standouts. The former may be the only recording we have of Dylan doing that folk standard (anyone know?) and the latter's beautiful - that would've been a better pick for the original Self Portrait.

birdistheword, Friday, 2 December 2022 16:38 (one year ago) link

there isnt much time left for a Dylan + McCartney - Brian wilson record as supergroop

| (Latham Green), Friday, 2 December 2022 17:24 (one year ago) link

I think it's already too late - I don't think Brian's in any shape for anything more than a nominal collaboration.

birdistheword, Friday, 2 December 2022 18:40 (one year ago) link

xxpost speaking of early 70s one-offs with The Band, they scorched on A Tribute To Woody Guthrie (a good various artists album overall )http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k8_rJWRWITN_1bUfE1yfqXpZTo8b2SaPI

dow, Friday, 2 December 2022 18:50 (one year ago) link

Yeah, only a few numbers, but they're great, especially "Grand Coulee Dam"!

It could make a nifty and useful compilation to put those one-offs together (maybe not counting Isle of Wight which takes up a whole disc on its own). The Concert for Bangladesh sets, the encore at the Academy show with the Band on New Year's 1971 rolling into 1972...

birdistheword, Friday, 2 December 2022 19:20 (one year ago) link

And *all* the Last Waltz box set performances, incl. "Hazel" etc.

dow, Friday, 2 December 2022 19:27 (one year ago) link

xpost That version of "Grand Coulee Dam" is on Live 1961-2000---my copy isn't at hand, but was thinking it had more than these 16 tracks---anyway, pretty hot: https://www.amazon.com/Live-1961-2000-Bob-Dylan/dp/B000059RJ3

dow, Saturday, 3 December 2022 00:43 (one year ago) link

ust got his new book from library (as w all his deluxe adventures, will wait for deal on Used, but the $45.00 list price seems reasonable: it's between standard and coffee table sizes, handy enough, yet big enough for impact of new art elements x splendidly reproduced photos, both of which are always apt, frequently witty).
Text is tightly loose, tight enough that it can't be described in any detail w/o spoilers. Will say that he frequently (but not always) starts a discussion by splattering his projections, living all over the song----with a fly-eyed shotgun blast of rock salt, nails, pills, Reader's Digests, Fidel Castro's beard, suggesting that even though he's told interviewers he can't write songs like that no more, that he mebbe can---surely he could come up with appropriate 3-chorders from wherever ----then he steps back, says, "In this song---", discusses it as song, though still in quite a lively way, also may trace in backstory, of song x singer, though eventually says that such may overshadow or weigh down other aspects of the music (speculates that many songs from the Golden Age of Video may have been submerged by such associations).
Can't resist mentioning: "An argument could be made that Ricky (Nelson) was more of a rock & roll ambassador than Elvis": EP made an impact via occasional Ed Sullivan Show etc. appearances, sure but Nelson was on his family's sitcom every week, singing whatever song he was promoting, and (as I recall) in the living room with James Burton and other A-level cats, who looked like they could be his high school classmates.
Of course! And now I also recall Woody G.s line, "I'm the man who's gonna show you what you already know." But Dyl goes waaay beyond that too, duh.
Sometimes with disappointing results (doesn't slow down enough to hear "London Calling" very well). But he gets "Ball of Confusion" as pre-rap riffling of the headlines topicality that's really hard to pull off, also bluegrass and heavy metal as two faces of same thing---in midst of droll, analytical, also gothic presentation of the Osborne Brothers' "Ruby Are, You Mad?"(gets Jack Ruby in there too)---also lends gothic glamor to "The Pretender," goes beyond that for "The Little White Cloud That Cried."

dow, Saturday, 3 December 2022 19:46 (one year ago) link

the motorcyle accident changed Dylan forever - ?

Or was it the sweet chyme of fmae

| (Latham Green), Monday, 5 December 2022 14:38 (one year ago) link

The chimes of famedom laughing?

Soda Stereo Total (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 5 December 2022 19:07 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

There are some pretty good quotes in this WSJ interview (I found the full text posted on some messageboard). What Bob’s watching:

I recently binged: “Coronation Street,” “Father Brown,” and some early “Twilight Zones.” I know they’re old-fashioned, but they make me feel at home. I’m no fan of packaged programs or news shows. I never watch anything foul-smelling or evil. Nothing disgusting, nothing dog ass.

Wet Legume (morrisp), Monday, 19 December 2022 23:01 (one year ago) link

How the hell does he get ahold of Coronation Street episodes??

Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 December 2022 23:13 (one year ago) link

The full text is also on Dylan's website:
https://www.bobdylan.com/news/bob-dylan-interviewed-by-wall-street-journals-jeff-slate/

jaymc, Monday, 19 December 2022 23:37 (one year ago) link

Thanks! (Looks like it didn’t come up in my search b/c they removed the headline and intro blurb)

Wet Legume (morrisp), Monday, 19 December 2022 23:54 (one year ago) link

Never knew Dylan was such a fan of "The Stealer." I actually prefer this live version by Faces, originally broadcast on the BBC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdWcem46UTA

birdistheword, Tuesday, 20 December 2022 00:43 (one year ago) link

honey, can we watch some dog ass tonight? it's been a day

The earth could vomit up its dead, and it could be raining blood, and we’d shrug it off, cool as cucumbers.

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 20 December 2022 08:39 (one year ago) link

he certainly still has a way with words

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 20 December 2022 08:39 (one year ago) link

In the book, he says that " Stephane Grappelli is a very good player, butyou have to back to King Oliver, Buddy Bolden, and Louis Armstrong to find the beating heart of jazz." Do early T.Zones take him back to the beating heart of Buddy Bolden. who seems never to have recorded, but maybe Mr. D. knows differently? Since he's somehow got those Coronation Street eps. But either way, and maybe he don't need no Edison cylinders, there are times you got to go back.
Like Vic Damone, "On The Street Where You Live":

Is this really the street where she lives? It has to be her street because the birds are singing here, and there couldn't be birds singing on any other street. You still have some sense of direction, so you start to walk again...The scrutiny doesn't even remotely touch you. There's no place on the planet you'd rather be, than on this dead-end street, the street where she lives.

How long will it take before you realize that your idle life is one of indulgence, but then again, what do you have to lose? The longer you don't see her, the less chance you have to offend her, that's the way you look at it. Let the clock keep ticking, everything could change again. You're on the street where she lives. You could be on any street in the world, but you're partial to this one. It's an ancient street, it's antiquated, and it's been around, and you have to stay on good terms with it. You have to make it your friend.

In the usual "This song" follow-up:

Maybe you wait all day and all night too. Maybe a cop would come by and ask you what you're doing there, If you tell him the truth, that you're just waiting to see somebody, you'll probably be arrested for stalking. Depends on who it is...
If you could sing like Vic Damone, maybe you could buy your way out. Vic Damone married Pier Angeli...Pier Angeli was the love of James Dean's life. Legend says that he waited across the street on his motorcycle on Pier Angeli's wedding day...That says something about life---when Pier Angeli could go from somebody like James Dean to Vic Damone in the blink of an eye. You have to wonder what the connection was. Did she see something of Jimmy in Vic Damone? Or did she just need to get as far away as possible?
Maybe for the rest of his short life, this was a song that belonged to James Dean.

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dow, Tuesday, 20 December 2022 19:01 (one year ago) link

It's very good, but hey you guys could write that on a clear day (ie nothing pressing to do)

Mark G, Wednesday, 21 December 2022 15:12 (one year ago) link

Never knew Dylan was such a fan of "The Stealer." I actually prefer this live version by Faces, originally broadcast on the BBC:

Love this. One of the greatest things the Faces ever did.

When I saw Bettye LaVette in 2007, she opened with "The Stealer," which freaked me out (in a good way) because I had no idea at the time that she'd recorded it. One of those wonderful surprise covers you sometimes get at a show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpsNwAb-y0E

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 December 2022 15:36 (one year ago) link

LaVette is tha bomb--for one thing, she's always had a way with Dylan covers, and the all-D. Things Have Changed shows her adjusting the classics and plunging fearlessly into the 80s thicket, also w good results (me: "Now I get it!")

dow, Wednesday, 21 December 2022 17:29 (one year ago) link

(For more of her UK picks, check what she does with "Talking Old Soldiers" on Scene of the Crime and pretty much all of Interpretations: The British Rock Songbook.)

dow, Wednesday, 21 December 2022 17:34 (one year ago) link

Longest version of the WSJ interview that I've seen:

IN HIS 81 YEARS, Bob Dylan has seemingly lived 100 lives. He conquered the world in the 1960s as a singer-songwriter who defied convention, going on to sell millions of records. He’s earned countless awards, including 10 Grammys, an Oscar, although he didn’t even attend the ceremony to accept it, and even the 2016 Nobel Prize in Literature. And music is only part of his story; Mr. Dylan has also become known among fans and collectors as an accomplished painter, and his 2004 book “Chronicles, Volume One,” an international bestseller, won the National Book Award.

Last month, he added a second book to the catalog. “The Philosophy of Modern Song” (Simon & Schuster) reads both as meditation and fever dream; it is a history lesson about (mostly) songs from the mid-20th Century, but also a rare glimpse into the fertile mind of one of the most creative people of the modern era.

In a lengthy interview, Mr. Dylan ruminated on the explosion of technology and culture during the mid-20th century, when he was young, life in the TikTok age, his lockdown experience and songwriting.

I first heard most of the songs in my book: on the radio, portable record players, jukeboxes. My relationship to them at first was external, then became personal and intense. The songs were simple, easy to understand. They’d come to you directly, let you see into the future.

Nowadays I listen to music: on CDs, satellite radio and streaming. I do love the sound of old vinyl, especially on a tube record player from back in the day. I bought three in an antique store in Oregon about 30 years ago. The tone quality is so powerful and miraculous, has so much depth. It always takes me back to the days when life was different and unpredictable.

I discover new music: mostly by accident, by chance. If I go looking for something, I usually don’t find it. In fact, I never find it. I walk into things intuitively when I’m most likely not looking for anything. Performers and songwriters recommend things to me. Others, I just wake up and they’re there.

Streaming has made music: too smooth and painless. Everything’s too easy. Just one stroke of the ring finger, middle finger, one little click, that’s all it takes. We’ve dropped the coin right into the slot. We’re pill poppers, cube heads and day trippers, hanging in, hanging out, gobbling blue devils, black mollies, anything we can get our hands on. Not to mention the nose candy and ganga grass. It’s all too easy, too democratic. You need a solar X-ray detector just to find somebody’s heart, see if they still have one.

When you hear a great song: you get a gut reaction and an emotional one. It follows the logic of the heart and stays in your head long after you’ve heard it. You don’t have to be a great singer to sing it. It’s bell, book and candle. It touches you in secret places, strikes your innermost being. Hoagy Carmichael wrote great songs, so did Irving Berlin and Johnny Mercer. J. Frank Dobie, Teddy Roosevelt and Arthur Conan Doyle probably could have written great songs, but didn’t.

I can’t listen to music: passively, because I’m always assessing what’s special—or not—about a song and looking for inspiration in fragments, riffs, chords, even lyrics.

Technology is like: sorcery. It’s a magic show, conjures up spirits, it is an extension of our body, like the wheel is an extension of our foot. But it might be the final nail driven into the coffin of civilization; we just don’t know. Nikola Tesla, the great inventor, said that he could take down the Brooklyn Bridge with a small vibrator. Today, we can probably do the same thing with a pocket computer. Log in, log out, load and download; we’re all wired up.

Creativity is: a funny thing. When we’re inventing something, we’re more vulnerable than we’ll ever be. Eating and sleeping mean nothing. We’re in “Splendid Isolation,” like in the Warren Zevon song; the world of self, Georgia O’Keeffe alone in the desert. To be creative you’ve got to be unsociable and tight-assed. Not necessarily violent and ugly, just unfriendly and distracted. You’re self-sufficient and you stay focused.

Very few songs of today will: go on to become standards. Who is going to write standards today? A rap artist? A hip-hop or rock star? A raver, a sampling expert, a pop singer? That’s music for the establishment. It’s easy listening. It just parodies real life, goes through the motions, puts on an act. A standard is on another level. It’s a role model for other songs, one in a thousand.

I write songs when: the mood strikes me, not with a set routine. My method is transportable. I can write songs anywhere at any time, although some of them are completed and redefined at recording sessions, some even at live shows.

While writing my book, I read: books about songwriting and music history, like Arnold Shaw’s “Honkers and Shouters” (Macmillan, 1986), Nick Tosches’ “Dino” (Doubleday, 1992), Guralnick’s Elvis books. But “Philosophy of Modern Song” is more of a state of mind than those.

Technology doesn’t really help me: relax. I’m too relaxed, too laid-back. Most of the time I feel like a flat tire, unmotivated, positively lifeless. It takes a lot to get me stimulated, and I’m an excessively sensitive person, which complicates things. I can be totally at ease one minute, and then, for no reason whatsoever, I get restless and fidgety; doesn’t seem to be any middle ground.

I recently binged: “Coronation Street,” “Father Brown,” and some early “Twilight Zones.” I know they’re old-fashioned, but they make me feel at home. I’m no fan of packaged programs or news shows. I never watch anything foul-smelling or evil. Nothing disgusting, nothing dog ass.

To stay physically active: I box and spar. It’s part of my life. It’s functional and detached from trends. It’s a limitless playground, and you don’t need an app.

I think social media sites: bring happiness to a lot of people. Some people even discover love there. It’s fantastic if you’re a sociable person; the communication lines are wide open. You can refashion anything, blot out memories and change history. But they can divide and separate us, as well.

Lockdown was: a very surrealistic time. Like being visited by another planet or by some mythical monster. But it was beneficial, too. It eliminated a lot of hassles and personal needs; it was good having no clock. I changed the door panels on an old ’56 Chevy, made some landscape paintings, wrote a song called “You Don’t Say.” I listened to Peggy Lee records. I reread “Rime of the Ancient Mariner” a few times over. What a story that is! I listened to The Mothers of Invention record “Freak Out!,” which I hadn’t heard in a long, long time. Frank Zappa was light years ahead of his time. If there’d been any opium laying around, I probably would have been down for a while.

I keep touring because: it is a perfect way to stay anonymous and still be a member of the social order. You’re the master of your fate. But it’s not an easy path to take, not fun and games.

The style of music I first loved was: sacred music, church music, ensemble singing.

But my favorite music is: a combination of genres. Slow ballads, fast ballads, anything that moves. Western swing, hillbilly, jump blues, country blues, everything. Doo-wop, the Ink Spots, the Mills Brothers, Lowland ballads, Bill Monroe, bluegrass, boogie-woogie. Music historians would say when you mix it all up it is called rock ’n’ roll. I guess that would be my favorite genre.

In the book, I thank: the “crew from Dunkin’ Donuts” because they were compassionate, supportive and they went the extra mile.

— Edited from an interview by Jeff Slate


Then there's that other part, maybe already noted upthread, where he says he's seen Metallica twice, mentions some rappers he likes, thinks streaming makes music too easy, although in this part he does say that he streams, vegging out. "Cawll any vegetable/Call it by naame/Calll any vegetable/When you get off the traain."

dow, Monday, 26 December 2022 20:48 (one year ago) link


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