Is Bob Dylan overrated?

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Is this different from what Margaret Atwood (and I assume other authors) did, where she signed books in other cities using some kind of remote-control arm and pen? Those seemed to be regarded as real signatures?

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 17:50 (one year ago) link

Dylan’s Own ShishetSweet cigars

| (Latham Green), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 17:53 (one year ago) link

There is a John Updike story in which Henry Bech is supposed to sign like a thousand pieces of paper that will later be tipped into books. He goes to a beach house with his girlfriend, procrastinates, and gets like a third of the way through and has to sepnd the last few hours hurrying. After writing "Henry Bech" a hundred times it gets to Hen Bch, then H B, then just, like B---.

Some years ago, a well-meaning relative gave me a "signed first edition" (created for the non-existent "Signed First Edition Club") of Witches of Eastwick. I looked at the signed flyleaf and knew instantly how it had been made.

ooh I wanna take ya to Topeka (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 18:09 (one year ago) link

I mean it IS your signature but it's not signed by you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5VB8DuZMv8

StanM, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 18:15 (one year ago) link

Dillon is cleverly evoking deep American cultural history, per his norm: http://cultureandcommunication.org/deadmedia/index.php/Duplicating_Polygraph

"Mick Wall at Kerrang!" (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 18:50 (one year ago) link

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Well, I bought a fully signed Echo and the bunnymen album, "Songs to learn and sing", some were signed "Ian McCullough" but most were "Ian Mac"

Mark G, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 18:56 (one year ago) link

(my above autocorrect error is a happy-accident allusion to Bob's original pseudonym:

According to Dylan biographer Robert Shelton, the singer first confided his change of name to his high school girlfriend, Echo Helstrom, in 1958, telling her that he had found a "great name, Bob Dillon".

– interestingly, that's a different high school girlfriend than the recipient of those recently auctioned letters. player!)

"Mick Wall at Kerrang!" (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 19:06 (one year ago) link

xp FWIW Richard Thompson is a good example of someone whose signature has devolved over time to make signing quicker and more painless. What originally looked like a full cursive name gradually turned into a pair of indistinct squibbles. When I got a signed copy of his memoir, the latter is what I got - I was curious as to whether this was his usual signature (he posted a photo of him signing an enormous stack of books piled on to a long conference table) and I found someone who was able to document that development with a large collection of signed Thompson albums.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 19:08 (one year ago) link

I can actually link to some examples - see below, but I think these signatures were all done around the time of the signed item's release:

https://i.ibb.co/njH93tk/01.jpg https://i.ibb.co/LC6GLYk/02.jpg https://i.ibb.co/PZHwRng/03.jpg

birdistheword, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 19:12 (one year ago) link

A couple times I saw John Wesley Harding (Wesley Stace) do an incredibly deft move with a ball-point pen to open, sign, and close a shrink-wrapped CD jewel case in one fluid movement. To this day I have no idea how he did it. I guess the answer is frequent practice.

ooh I wanna take ya to Topeka (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 19:19 (one year ago) link

When I was a card-collecting kid the in the '90s, I remember a baseball card mag running an article about a company rep going on a long sportsman's weekend with the then-hot prospect Ryan Klesko to ensure he signed 1000 insert cards, some of which were autographed in rowboat while the player was fishing, while others were done in a deer stand whilst hunting--the overall point being how hard it is collecting the signatures for such endeavors.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 19:47 (one year ago) link

I would think a baseball player would be wary of cramping up his hand (or a musician, come to think of it)...

"Mick Wall at Kerrang!" (morrisp), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 20:04 (one year ago) link

That was pretty much a Seinfeld episode, wasn't it? Where Jerry hates endorsing his enormous stack of paltry royalty checks because of what it does to his wrists?

birdistheword, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 22:02 (one year ago) link

Apparently the same Dylan signature used for the books have also been used on expensive "signed" art prints sold through various art galleries. It feels like a surefire class action lawsuit.

birdistheword, Thursday, 24 November 2022 03:19 (one year ago) link

Michael Ondaatje’s signature is just a wiggly line. It used to be an arguable M and a wiggly line, but apparently that’s become too difficult.

https://www.biblio.com/book/divisadero-signed-dated-nyc-ondaatje-michael/d/1131007102

an incomprehensible borefest full of elves (hardcore dilettante), Thursday, 24 November 2022 04:41 (one year ago) link

this guy has been pulling the football of his authenticated identity away from his fans over and over and over again since 1965 and every time it happens they make a face like it's the first time

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 24 November 2022 11:00 (one year ago) link

And then there's his "signature" bourbon, Heaven's Door...

The self-titled drags (Eazy), Thursday, 24 November 2022 12:00 (one year ago) link

bourbob

StanM, Thursday, 24 November 2022 15:41 (one year ago) link

Official Statement:

To my fans and followers,

I’ve been made aware that there’s some controversy about signatures on some of my recent artwork prints and on a limited-edition of Philosophy Of Modern Song. I’ve hand-signed each and every art print over the years, and there’s never been a problem.

However, in 2019 I had a bad case of vertigo and it continued into the pandemic years. It takes a crew of five working in close quarters with me to help enable these signing sessions, and we could not find a safe and workable way to complete what I needed to do while the virus was raging. So, during the pandemic, it was impossible to sign anything and the vertigo didn’t help. With contractual deadlines looming, the idea of using an auto-pen was suggested to me, along with the assurance that this kind of thing is done ‘all the time’ in the art and literary worlds.

Using a machine was an error in judgment and I want to rectify it immediately. I’m working with Simon & Schuster and my gallery partners to do just that.

With my deepest regrets,
Bob Dylan

Fair enough, he is 81 years old. They shouldn’t have sold these as “signed” obviously but I don’t think it’s a huge scandal.

Yeah, me neither. More than one person really f-ed up by claiming this was okay, but regardless of who that may be, at least Dylan is admitting the mistake and working on fixing it.

birdistheword, Saturday, 26 November 2022 05:15 (one year ago) link

very much a statement written by Bob Dylan, has all the hallmarks of his voice

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 26 November 2022 13:42 (one year ago) link

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
jokermaaaaan

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 November 2022 13:43 (one year ago) link

he needs a crew of 5 to sign books?

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 26 November 2022 13:48 (one year ago) link

don't worry they all dress up like bob dylan

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 26 November 2022 13:54 (one year ago) link

He is elderly. If someone shipped my arthritic mother 900 books to sign, she’d definitively need help, and if it was just me, the labor would be a lot (especially the re-packing and shipping back).

birdistheword, Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:04 (one year ago) link

obv he has to apologize cuz it was fraud but as the useless item advertised was materially identical to the useless item delivered one sort of wants to suggest to anyone willing to pay $600 for the assurance that this 9000-year-old man really does spend part of his days sitting in a room writing the same thing over and over like bart simpson that they consider taking this experience as an opportunity to reflect on what exactly it is they are trying to possess here

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:05 (one year ago) link

I would pay $600 for that signed apology note.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:11 (one year ago) link

i wish i was there to sign 'em
but i'm not there; i'm gone

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:13 (one year ago) link

booming post dlh

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:13 (one year ago) link

Vertigo?

the pinefox, Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:17 (one year ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/uFbte9G.jpg

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:19 (one year ago) link

The vertigo probably explains why on his recent tour he was mostly perched at the keyboard and would get up and sort of dance in place for just a minute or so at a time.

(stewart there gazing down at his collection of signed bob dylan paraphernalia xp)

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:24 (one year ago) link

very much a statement written by Bob Dylan, has all the hallmarks of his voice
irl lol

corrs unplugged, Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:25 (one year ago) link

just for a moment "to my fans and followers" has it, in consonance if not in sentiment

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:28 (one year ago) link

The vertigo probably explains why on his recent tour he was mostly perched at the keyboard and would get up and sort of dance in place for just a minute or so at a time

Maybe he heard the hidden Balearic beats in "Blowin' in the Wind."

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:29 (one year ago) link

The vertigo probably explains why on his recent tour he was mostly perched at the keyboard and would get up and sort of dance in place for just a minute or so at a time.

Honestly, he was doing this almost every time I saw him a bunch in early '00s.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:45 (one year ago) link

It takes a crew of five working in close quarters with me to help enable these signing sessions

Cate Blanchett, Christian Bale, Richard Gere, Heath Ledger and Ben Whishaw

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 26 November 2022 14:46 (one year ago) link

dlh otm

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 26 November 2022 15:03 (one year ago) link

Thought the dancing was a tribute to Thelonious Monk, just like the cover of The Basement Tapes.

Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 November 2022 15:05 (one year ago) link

What

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 26 November 2022 15:11 (one year ago) link

I don't get it.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 November 2022 15:34 (one year ago) link

this?

http://www.amiright.com/album-covers/thelonious-monk-underground-parodies/

StanM, Saturday, 26 November 2022 15:42 (one year ago) link

I only got
Aaaa shirt to go
---Vertigo.

dow, Saturday, 26 November 2022 18:04 (one year ago) link

Dan Chiasson's New Yorker reviews turned me on to some good poetry (better than most New Yorker poetry), and his review there of a Joni Mitchell bio was also astute---this Philosophy of Modern Song coverage starts great, makes me want to subscribe and read whole thing:
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2022/12/08/road-maps-for-the-soul-philosophy-of-modern-song-bob-dylan/

dow, Saturday, 26 November 2022 18:35 (one year ago) link

It is surprising to find the bratty sneer of “My Generation” (“I hope I die before I get old”) moved to an assisted-living facility. Dylan, though, is “being wheeled around” not by nurses but by buses, as he moves from town to town and continent to continent on his Never Ending Tour...
!

dow, Saturday, 26 November 2022 18:38 (one year ago) link

I thought that ended some time ago

Mark G, Saturday, 26 November 2022 22:51 (one year ago) link

NFT embedded in splinter of the true cross of Blonde on BLonde

| (Latham Green), Tuesday, 29 November 2022 02:04 (one year ago) link

ok, I know Dylan imitations are typically shit but this is pretty great

James Austin Johnson sings “Jingle Bells” as Bob Dylan through the decades. #FallonTonight pic.twitter.com/kuPegi5Dhw

— The Tonight Show (@FallonTonight) November 29, 2022

bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Tuesday, 29 November 2022 20:40 (one year ago) link


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