U.S. Politics, November 2022: “I don’t know, you hear the same things I do”

It'd be nice if we could have an open primary where all these hopers could jump in and test the waters. But right now we have to wait until 20-goddam-28.

yeah I dunno about that, kind of thinking biden won't run despite everything he's implied to the contrary

talking yetserday with people we were trying to remember when the last time a sitting president running for re-election got primaried and I could only come up with Teddy Kennedy/Carter. Did Brown primary Clinton?

Bush/Buchanan

Bush/Buchanan

The '92 GOP race was my first experience with people who thought a Republican president wasn't crazy enough.

yeah I completely erased Buchanan from my memory

Nobody over 70 — 75 maximum — should be eligible for any federal office.

otmfm

You know they used to just run people as people should have had a choice. The whole running somewhat unopposed is kinda of a newer thing. Of course, you did not used to need $100 million dollars to run for the f'ing office, but hey bribery is legal these dayssssssssssssssssssss.

The Modern Presidents with primary challenges have all lost the general afaict (Ford, Carter, Bush) so I think parties do anything they can to avoid them

If you’re going to set an upper age limit, you’re gonna have to set a lower one too. I don’t want to live in an America where a baby can’t run for president with his/her great-grandparent as veep.

President unborn fetus will take removal of the 35 limit and addition of fetal personhood amendment to next level

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onjCGr7DmMk

Nobody over 70 — 75 maximum — should be eligible for any federal office.

otmfm

― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 20 November 2022 23:09 (yesterday) link

why stop there? add operating a vehicle!

Age limits seem like a repeat of the term limits argument.

There is a whole school of thought that the way to get old people out of politics is to not vote for them. Vote for other people instead. The way to get people to not stay in office forever is to not vote for them, and to vote for other people instead. I live in a state with a notoriously strict term limit for governor, and it's an open question about whether that has helped us or harmed us in the long run.

Good morning!

I mean, there's a fairly simple solution to keep old fucks out of politics:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BODYwMDhlNGYtMjJkYi00ZTViLTgxNTgtZGNlYjdjNmFiYTVmXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTIwODk1NTQ@._V1_.jpg

I'd take Bernie over 40 year-old Peter Buttigieg. 51 year-old Hakeem Jeffries likely next Dem leader in the House is just a corporate Dem who does bidding of lobbyists

https://prospect.org/politics/succession-hakeem-jeffries-nancy-pelosi/

2021 article

I thought Howard Dean was a shoo-in so wtf do I know.

I honestly still don't get why Howard Dean didn't have more political legs.

I honestly still don't get why Howard Dean didn't have more political legs.

Howard Dean was 5'9". He would have been the shortest president since Carter. Can't have that.

(Seriously, Carter was the only US president of the modern era — since JFK — not to be 6' or taller. Truman was 5'9", Eisenhower was 5'10", a fact which surprised me. I thought he would have been about 6'2".)

Was Dean left handed?

He was left branded.

I'd take Bernie over 40 year-old Peter Buttigieg. 51 year-old Hakeem Jeffries likely next Dem leader in the House is just a corporate Dem who does bidding of lobbyists

I'd take a younger Bernie over them but c'mon, Bernie should retire. He's 81. Holding on that long is mostly about ego, the idea that nobody but you can do this important work. And it stifles the party pipeline.

Nixon was over 6'? I always pictured him as shorter...maybe unduly influence by Anthony Hopkins' portrayal, where I think he hunches over a bit.

Probably also subconsciously attributed a Napoleonic complex to him.

Wikipedia has Nixon at 5' 11-1/2". Obviously, this is of paramount importance...carry on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heights_of_presidents_and_presidential_candidates_of_the_United_States

5’11 & 1/2 means 5’9” in reality

Is It Immoral for Presidents and Presidential Aspiriants to Wear Lifts To Appear Taller and More Powerful? A Discussion Thread

I googled DeSantis' height recently because he kind of presents as a shortish guy to me, but it says he's 5'11" so I guess not.

The Sky Is Not The Limit and You’re Never Gonna Guess What Is: Height in U.S.A. Governance, 1920-2030

Don’t mind me, just goof in’

Bernie Sanders ain't getting any taller folks

not with that attitude he isn't

C'mon, y'all, everyone knows the ultimate metric of presidentiality is hand size

I honestly still don't get why Howard Dean didn't have more political legs.

well he did wind up being the last good DNC head

Yup, he was head and shoulders above the rest ... well, not physically but still

From an article about Ron Klain:

Progressives credit Klain with helping inject their proposals into the White House policy debate and building out an apparatus that’s put liberal allies in positions of power across government. Perhaps just as importantly, they said, he’s served as a high-level sounding board for the wing traditionally treated by the Democratic establishment with suspicion or outright derision — and won over liberals who once perceived Biden as out of touch with the progressive base.

“He was not my first or second choice for president, but I am a convert,” Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), who heads the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said of Biden. “I never thought I would say this, but I believe he should run for another term and finish this agenda we laid out.”

I googled DeSantis' height recently because he kind of presents as a shortish guy to me, but it says he's 5'11" so I guess not.

I know, he has a weird boxy build.

https://i.imgur.com/JSBKbCo.jpg

If John Ritter, David Duchovny, and Jason Bateman had a baby...

looking at pictures of dean with gore and clinton, then looking at pictures of them with obama, GWB, etc, I'd say 5-10 or 5-11 seems reasonable for dean

I voted for Dean in the primary even after he'd been mathematically eliminated, partly because I thought the media reaction to his yelp was one of the weirdest cases of political journalism groupthink I've ever seen.

it's pretty quaint, post-trump and all the crazy shit that happens on a daily basis now, to think of a time when THAT was something that could sink your career

yeah, didn't get it at the time, LOL at it now

Anyway I thought Dean was fucked cos of the fact he was unapologetically pro choice and also that stupid “scream” video.

I voted for Dean in the primary even after he'd been mathematically eliminated, partly because I thought the media reaction to his yelp was one of the weirdest cases of political journalism groupthink I've ever seen.

Anyway I thought Dean was fucked cos of the fact he was unapologetically pro choice and also that stupid “scream” video.

― after several days on “the milk,” (gyac),

now I imagine Dean as Janet Jackson in the "Scream" video.

I'd take Bernie over 40 year-old Peter Buttigieg.

― curmudgeon, Monday, November 21, 2022

regardless of who we’re comparing him to, Bernie’s time has expired! he should retire

I shouldn't have said 'retire', I just think that his time is over as a presidential candidate

Bernie should steal Mayo Pete’s life energy and serve another 40 years