ok what the fuck is happening in ukraine

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2nd time for this guy!

lag∞n, Saturday, 19 November 2022 20:49 (one year ago) link

heads of state always tell the truth to each other, except for Hitler, who lied three times” is the greatest take I have ever read thank you

rasheedwallaceOFFICIAL (Clay), Saturday, 19 November 2022 20:52 (one year ago) link

this reads like a play

I know Orbán said that the “hope for peace is named Donald Trump,” and suggested him as a mediator in terms of bringing the war to an end.

I don’t know that.

Orbán tweeted, “The #liberals have got it all wrong - that’s the bottom-line of our great conversation with Prof Mearsheimer today. We–”

Look, I don’t want to talk about Orbán. You told me that we were going to talk about Ukraine.

lag∞n, Saturday, 19 November 2022 20:59 (one year ago) link

I don't even think Chotiner goes that hard here, but dude sure did have an utter self-induced nervous breakdown when the topic shifted to Hungary

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 19 November 2022 21:00 (one year ago) link

foreshadowing

How was the Hungary trip?

It was actually fascinating. I learned a great deal. I was there for five days, Monday to Friday. I had a three-hour meeting with Viktor Orbán.

I’ve heard of him.

lag∞n, Saturday, 19 November 2022 21:05 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

"Yesterday, December 8, 2022, the Russian military broke into the premises where the ZNPP's Department of Social Programs is located and, in the presence of other employees, severely beat the head of the department, Oleksii Trubenkov, and his deputy, Yurii Androsov. After a severe beating, the invaders took them out of the premises and drove them away to an unknown destination," the Energoatom press office said in a Telegram post on Friday.

"Through such actions, the occupiers are trying to gain loyalty from the courageous pro-Ukrainian staff," the statement continued. "Nevertheless the invaders fail to do so because the personnel resist."


Also:
..."The Russians have intensified their efforts in Donetsk and Luhansk. They are now in a very active phase of attempting to conduct offensive operations. We are advancing nowhere but, rather, defending, destroying the enemy's infantry and equipment wherever it tries to advance," Oleksiy Arestovych, an advisor to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, said in a video message.

...Zambian Foreign Affairs Minister Stanley Kakubo said on Friday that a 23-year-old student who died in Ukraine, Lemekhani Nyirenda, had been pardoned for a drug offense and released from a Russian prison in exchange for fighting.

Yevgeny Prigozhin, a Russian businessman and Kremlin-ally known as "Putin's Chef," confirmed that Nyirenda was fighting in his Wagner private military force.

In an intelligence update posted to Twitter on Friday the British Ministry of Defense claimed the Russian military has likely resupplied its stock of Iranian Shahed-131 and Shahed-136 drones after running out of the previous batch.

"For the first time in three weeks, there have been reports of attacks by Iranian-provided one-way attack (OWA) uncrewed aerial vehicles (UAVs). These events remain to be verified, but it is likely that Russia exhausted its previous stock of several hundred Shahed-131s and 136s and has now received a resupply," read the update...


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-forces-abduct-two-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-employees/ar-AA1565io

dow, Friday, 9 December 2022 19:13 (one year ago) link

Left this out of the first part:

Additionally, Energoatom said Russian forces have placed rocket launchers at the nuclear facility "violating all conditions for nuclear and radiation safety."

dow, Friday, 9 December 2022 19:15 (one year ago) link

Was struck by reporting in The Daily last week: Soviet-era grid (ca. 1968 version) is essentially the same, and Ukraine gov. "is convinced" that Moscow is just reading the old maps, w pinpoint precision re targets:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/05/podcasts/the-daily/russia-ukraine-winter-power-blackout.html Nevertheless, people are coping, so far.

dow, Friday, 9 December 2022 19:26 (one year ago) link

I'm wondering to what extent two can play at this game. Drones are a cheap, asymmetric form of warfare that should theoretically favor the weaker combatant. If Russia can buy a bunch of cheap drones from Iran and fire them at energy infrastructure, then shouldn't Ukraine be able to do the same?

o. nate, Friday, 9 December 2022 19:29 (one year ago) link

Iran wouldn't be interested in selling them to Ukraine. They already have a buyer in Russia they wouldn't want to alienate. NATO nations would hesitate to supply them without strong assurances about how they'd be used. But I bet Israel wouldn't mind being their supplier.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 9 December 2022 19:44 (one year ago) link

I think the recent attacks in Russian interior airfields show that Ukraine is in fact using drones extensively - they likely have domestic drone production going on, but have been pretty quiet about it

The Iranian drones use cheap Chinese-produced two-stroke motors (almost like lawn mower engines); it would sure be helpful if the Chinese would stop shipping them. But the Iranian drones are slow and ineffective, unless you send ten at a time. The Ukrainians have been shooting them out of the sky like passenger pigeons

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 9 December 2022 19:47 (one year ago) link

rumour is that ukraine is modifying old tu-141 spy drones into medium range cruise missiles. but they only have 100 or so

micah, Friday, 9 December 2022 20:52 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

as if things weren't bad enough over there, now they got another visit from Boris :-/

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-64363761

StanM, Sunday, 22 January 2023 15:08 (one year ago) link

If they love him so much they can keep him.

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 January 2023 15:14 (one year ago) link

the radiolabs pod on smuggling abortifacient pills into ukraine is kinda fascinating 'life during wartime' stuff, crossing with polish natalist/absolutedogma factors. not really sure the best way to post that link so i'll just

https://www.stitcher.com/show/wnycs-radiolab/episode/ukraine-under-the-counter-210997700

i cannot imagine how it is safe to podcast this unless the ring is totally broken up by now, which after listening to ep 1, it is. ?

normal AI yankovic (Hunt3r), Sunday, 22 January 2023 19:31 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Had read that Russian field commander was replaced because too close to this (Wagner) guy, and now:

On Wednesday, Prigozhin posted a picture on Telegram showing the bodies of several dozen slain Wagner fighters, piled unceremoniously in a courtyard. Alongside that shocking photo, he posted the image of a formal request from Wagner for more ammunition, pointing the finger of blame squarely at the Russian Ministry of Defense for squandering one of those lives.

Prigozhin posted a photo showing dozens of dead Wagner fighters, blaming "shell starvation" and lack of ammo supplies.

“This is one of the gathering places of the dead,” Prigozhin said. “These are the guys who died yesterday due to the so-called ‘shell starvation’ [by the Russian MOD]. There should have been five times fewer of them. So mothers, wives and children will get their bodies.”

Apparently, the message got through to someone. In a message and voice note Thursday, Prigozhin said a shipment of ammunition was now on its way to his forces.
...But Prigozhin’s latest stunt appeared to raise the ante in the oligarch’s confrontation with Russia’s defense establishment, and with Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu.

...Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has become a remote and isolated leader since the Covid-19 pandemic, has no clear successor, and some political insiders speculated that some opportunistic upstart – a Prigozhin, for instance – might sense a potential opening or chance to build a power base independent of Putin.

Certainly, Prigozhin’s outbursts would have been unthinkable before February 24, 2022, when open criticism of the defense leadership by a military contractor would not have been tolerated. Earlier this week, Prigozhin escalated his spat with Shoigu and Gen. Valery Gerasimov, the chief of Russia’s General Staff, accusing them of “treason” for their alleged failures to support and supply the Wagner group in Ukraine.

“The Chief of the General Staff and the Minister of Defense are handing out commands right and left, that the Wagner PMC should not receive ammunition, they are also not helping with air transport,” Prigozhin claimed in a recording posted by his press service on Telegram. “This can be equated to high treason now when Wagner PMC are fighting for Bakhmut, losing hundreds of their fighters every day.”

Not everything Prigozhin says can be taken completely at face value. This is the man, after all, who helped bankroll one of Russia’s most notorious disinformation campaigns (from earlier graf: He even began to acknowledge his role in Russian efforts to interfere with the 2016 US presidential election, admitting that he had founded the Internet Research Agency, the notorious St. Petersburg troll farm that the US government has sanctioned for interfering in American elections). And the complaints about ammunition starvation leave unanswered myriad questions about the precise nature of the relationship of Wagner to the Russian military, how its formations are supplied with equipment, and who ultimately exercises command and control over its forces.


https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/23/europe/russia-ukraine-yevgeny-prigozhin-wagner-campaign-intl-cmd/index.html

dow, Thursday, 23 February 2023 20:09 (one year ago) link

Analysis: How the situation in Moldova mirrors Russia's moves before invading Ukraine
Analysis by CNN's Rob Picheta

Tensions are mounting in Moldova, a small country on Ukraine’s southwestern border, where Russia has been accused of laying the groundwork for a coup that could drag the nation into the Kremlin’s war.

Moldovan President Maia Sandu has accused Russia of using “saboteurs” disguised as civilians to stoke unrest amid a period of political instability, echoing similar warnings from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has meanwhile baselessly accused Kyiv of planning its own assault on a pro-Russian territory in Moldova, where Moscow has a military foothold.


https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-02-26-23/index.html

dow, Sunday, 26 February 2023 21:40 (one year ago) link

Sound up. Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov claims the war was launched against Russia and the audience explodes with laughter. pic.twitter.com/EQSZvH5CGz

— Frida Ghitis (@FridaGhitis) March 3, 2023

Sergei Lavrov in New Delhi, lamenting “the war which we’re trying to stop, and which was launched against us using the Ukrainian people.”

z_tbd, Friday, 3 March 2023 17:14 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

something extremely basic that i don’t understand about this war: why can’t russia just bomb all ukraine’s trenches with air power?

Tracer Hand, Friday, 24 March 2023 19:05 (one year ago) link

Because they can't. (The quick summary is that Ukraine's kept its own air force together and Russia's air wings basically found themselves dealing with an opposing force they couldn't roll over or simply defeat. There's more to it than that but basically that's it.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2023 19:10 (one year ago) link

Ukrainians have some pretty sophisticated ground-to-air weapons, as do the Russians... there was early speculation about who would control the skies but these weapons have largely kept it a ground war, supplemented by drones & missiles

Russians lost a bunch of helicopters early on, they're more careful now

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 24 March 2023 19:28 (one year ago) link

Poland also helping out by sending Ukraine about a dozen MiG fighter jets.

o. nate, Friday, 24 March 2023 19:45 (one year ago) link

I dunno I just thought that airplanes kinda made trench warfare obsolete.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 24 March 2023 19:55 (one year ago) link

not if they keep getting shot down!

obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Friday, 24 March 2023 19:59 (one year ago) link

I guess its been a while since there was a major war in which one side did not establish overwhelming air superiority fairly early on.

o. nate, Friday, 24 March 2023 20:06 (one year ago) link

I should probably just google this, but does Ukraine really have an air force - and air defenses - on a par with Russia?

Tracer Hand, Friday, 24 March 2023 20:07 (one year ago) link

Establishing air dominance before sending ground troops has been the US strategy for decades. Not sure why the Russians didn’t do the same.

"The pudding incident?" (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 24 March 2023 20:10 (one year ago) link

Tracer this is from an NPR link almost a year ago but I think it helps explain it:

Some experts think Russia's big fleet of aircraft just hasn't been well maintained. And they also don't appear to have the logistical support, the fuel and the spare parts to keep their jets flying. But another factor is the Ukrainians. In the years after Russia first annexed Crimea and invaded Donbas in 2014, Ukraine developed a pretty sophisticated air defense system using that fleet of fighter planes working in tandem with surface-to-air missile systems. The Ukrainians I spoke to believe Russian pilots just don't have the training and experience to deal with that kind of threat. Here's a Ukrainian MiG pilot who goes by the call sign MoonFish (ph).

MOONFISH: Sometimes we are able to hear their communications. When you hear those, they actually are really scared. And if anything goes wrong, they just turn away.

MANN: A senior U.S. defense official also told NPR the Ukrainian air force is being helped by real-time intelligence from the U.S. And experts think the Ukrainians are going to get better and better at defending their airspace, in part because of better weapons that are coming in from the U.S. and Germany.

obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Friday, 24 March 2023 20:15 (one year ago) link

so it's more about successful ground-to-air defense than air-to-air superiority

obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Friday, 24 March 2023 20:16 (one year ago) link

I remember early on in the war there arose the legend of some Ukrainian fighter pilot who downed five Russian fighters or something like that, but it turned out to be just a legend, and a propaganda figure

The analysts I've read said dogfights don't really happen anymore, for a number or reasons

tracer: I don't think the Ukrainian airforce is anywhere near to the size of Russia's (they have more pilots than planes, for instance), but as we've seen - Russia is still really dependent on creaky old Soviet-era shit, so who knows the quality of their overall fleet

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 24 March 2023 20:17 (one year ago) link

Russia would not easily be able to replace what Air Force and pilots they have is my guess. Those are needed for deterrence and they would have to use the brunt to make any difference.

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Friday, 24 March 2023 21:34 (one year ago) link

basically the US being able to establish air dominance seemingly at will (e.g. in iraq) is the exception not the rule.

generally defenders have a massive advantage over any attacking force. this is often approximated as a 3:1 advantage ratio. both ukraine and russia are well equipped with SAMs (big Surface to Air Missiles) and MANPADS (Man Portable Air Defence Systems i.e. little missiles). its really hard to take out this sort of deep air defense network. the only way to do it is to have a huge and incredibly expensive network of planes and intelligence staff dedicated to finding ground targets and destroying them with radar seeking missiles. and doing it all quickly within the first few days of the war, while a ground force moves in at the same time and makes sure the defense can't reset. this has only been pulled off a couple of times since modern air defense systems proliferated (by the US and israel) and only against inferior opposition.

it is a lot easier and a lot cheaper to just maintain a no fly zone over your own territory than to go out and obliterate your opponents missile defenses, and this is what ukraine and russia have defaulted to. and it is a situation that any major power could find themselves in if they are not punching down enough.

micah, Saturday, 25 March 2023 14:22 (one year ago) link

Some tawdry details involving some of the better known faces of American "volunteer fighters" in Ukraine (at least on Twitter):

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/25/world/europe/volunteers-us-ukraine-lies.html

o. nate, Saturday, 25 March 2023 23:14 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Lots of details about Ukraine war in here I hadn't noticed while skimming previous reports, also related, like (leak-threatened) intel sources in Wagner Group---with btw mention of the group’s plans to strengthen its presence across Africa and in Haiti. :
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/09/politics/pentagon-leaked-documents-us-spying-allies-foes/index.html

dow, Sunday, 9 April 2023 21:15 (one year ago) link

more leaked deets, boots on the ground ah damn (also US still got 'em in Syria, for what that's worth)

According to the document, dated 23 March, the UK has the largest contingent of special forces in Ukraine (50), followed by fellow Nato states Latvia (17), France (15), the US (14) and the Netherlands (1).

The document does not say where the forces are located or what they are doing.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65245065

dow, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:12 (one year ago) link

Why does it always have to be boots? Why do we never put Jimmy Choo pumps or L.L. Bean Camp Moccasins or Air Jordans or novelty Minions flip-flops on the ground?

How 'bout Sperry Top-Siders?

doja catharsis (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 12 April 2023 17:54 (one year ago) link

Anyone else surprised that a 21 year old National Guardsman had access to these documents? How the hell did this kid get that kind of clearance?

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 13 April 2023 19:36 (one year ago) link

The National Guardsman, whose name is Jack Teixeira, oversaw a private online group called Thug Shaker Central, where about 20 to 30 people, mostly young men and teenagers, came together over a shared love of guns, racist online memes and video games.

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 13 April 2023 20:11 (one year ago) link

new board description

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 13 April 2023 20:13 (one year ago) link

lol

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 April 2023 20:32 (one year ago) link

apparently he altered some of the leaked classified documents. It doesn't seem clear to me if this is Pentagon damage limitation or even the dumb kid trying some damage limitation or he just altered them to make some exaggerated point about US military overreach that he might have been discussing with his racist message board buddies. lol, he looks 16 years old.

calzino, Friday, 14 April 2023 07:29 (one year ago) link

I'd read that some of the documents were altered but I didn't know it was suggested he had done the altering? I was under impression they had got altered by someone else somewhere along the line on their winding path out into the open?

As to being surprised someone so low had this level of access, in some ways it seems surprising but I'd previously read a huge number of people have seemingly high levels of access. Difficult to really know

anvil, Friday, 14 April 2023 08:15 (one year ago) link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/13/jack-teixeira-discord-document-leak/

Online, the suspect in the breach of dozens of classified documents took on a persona seemingly at odds with his military career

Other members of Teixeira’s server have showed The Post video of Teixeira shouting racist and antisemitic slurs before firing a rifle and said he referenced government raids at Ruby Ridge in Idaho and in Waco, Tex. — events with deep resonance among right-wing, anti-government extremists.

peace, man, Friday, 14 April 2023 12:54 (one year ago) link

Being a racist and antisemite is hardly at odds with a military career.

"The pudding incident?" (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 14 April 2023 13:25 (one year ago) link

Come on, apparently he was just being ironic.

...

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 April 2023 13:38 (one year ago) link

He only said racist and antisemitic things to his friends because he wants to never forget that evil exists.

"The pudding incident?" (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 14 April 2023 17:26 (one year ago) link

Being a racist and antisemite is hardly at odds with a military career.

― "The pudding incident?" (Boring, Maryland), Friday, April 14, 2023 9:25 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah, I mean, I won't go so far as to paint all military people with so broad a brush, but it's certainly not unusual!

peace, man, Friday, 14 April 2023 18:49 (one year ago) link

It has made me wonder what would be the ILXOR thread that would cause some one to pull out state secrets to show dominance on a thread. So not going to happen, indeed? Steely Dan/Fleetwood Mac/Skunk Baxter? DMB driving over rivers in Chicago?

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Saturday, 15 April 2023 07:56 (one year ago) link

Pineapple on pizza - C/D?

you gotta roll with the pączki to get to what's real (snoball), Saturday, 15 April 2023 08:45 (one year ago) link


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