U.S. Politics, November 2022: “I don’t know, you hear the same things I do”

Why does ms Lake call ms Cheney a warmonger?

Presumably because Cheney's Dad is a warmonger.

well, yeah

But

1: ms Cheney is not the same as her father - this is misleading?

2: what's more puzzling to me is - isn't the Republican, ms Lake, also a warmonger? Does she really resist US military adventures? Interesting if so.

Trump resisted US military adventures, was anti the war in Iraq etc.

All 4 are warmongers they just quibble over which wars and which adventures.

xp Right, that's one of the main points of divergence between Trumpism and the establishment GOP represented by the Bush administration. America First, etc.

The neo-nationalist right is at least theoretically resistant to overseas entanglements, tho I am skeptical of how deep that really runs. The appeal to patriotism has always been susceptible to the allure of war drums. And their resistance to aiding Ukraine feels colored by a latent pro-Putinism that isn’t exactly reassuring.

I mean they very obviously believe in aggressive US imperialism via all means (war, targeted killings, etc) so none of them gets to play the dove.

yeah theres a lot of republicans these day who claim to be anti war but i dont trust it

Their resistance to an Iraq-style war is only an effort to avoid personal humiliation.

I'll say that my crypto-fascist relatives feel more confident saying the Iraq War was a mistake

Trump resisted US military adventures, was anti the war in Iraq etc.

the iraq war is underrated as a major political event

Anyway, the simplest explanation for why Kari Lake called Liz Cheney a warmonger is that Trump has also called her one.

lmfuckingao pic.twitter.com/clXR8iDMGL

— andy™ (@andylevy) November 15, 2022

If Trump does indeed announce he is running again today, I've got to assume that one advantage of Biden being so old is that he won't be tempted to constantly respond to that dude's taunts and inanities. I half heard a radio story last night about, go figure, how effective it has been to kick him off social media, because he lost his megaphone.

isn't the Republican, ms Lake, also a warmonger? Does she really resist US military adventures? Interesting if so.

― the pinefox, Tuesday, November 15, 2022 8:23 AM (thirty minutes ago)

You may already know this, but as governor (state gov) Lake would have had zero input into US military policy, unlike a high-ranking House rep (federal gov) like Cheney. So if Lake has expressed resistance to US mil adventures, it was purely theoretical, making it a politically inexpensive accusation

They’re “against” many US imperial adventures because they’re undeniably for a ethnonationalist holy war here in the US. Anything distracting from their goal of imposing their idea of a white, straight, evangelical nation is suspect. Their love for Putin is inextricably tied to his own ethnonationalism and virulent homophobia.

they would just happily do a war and pretending they wouldnt is just plain old playing politics

Yes, I find it quite hard to believe that these very Right-wing Republicans are actually against war and imperialism.

I feel that they are actually keen on it and just saying otherwise when it suits.

Note that I put the “against” in quotes, the rest of what I wrote is undeniable

their words don't mean anything. they're definitely pro-violence, since violence is their only real underlying belief: do what I want or I'll hurt you. they aren't pro- or anti- anything else, except in the moment when such things align or do not align with their desires.

i think one of the problems gop had was they ran trump fans instead of trump imitators, lake as described here is to the right and to the insane of trump

.@VaughnHillyard: "Could I say something about Kari Lake, you guys?" pic.twitter.com/UvhwEtOkPD

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) November 15, 2022

desantis is more of a trump imitator he saw the lane trump opened up and made his way through

first time I heard of DeSantis was that gross ad he made where his kid is "building the wall" with foam blocks, iirc the whole ad was about how much he loves Donald Trump. having that guy run against him is probably gonna bother him more than anything any Democrat ever did

Hillyard's one of the few political reporters worth a damn.

I think DeSantis has peaked. Today's the worst day of his life.

i certainly wouldnt want donald trump talking shit about me all day if i were trying to become the gop pres nominee

and yeah he doesnt seem like he has it in him to live up to the hype anyway

Trump's shit talking won't be nearly as effective if the GOP and conservative media line up behind DeSantis, because they'll all stop amplifying Trump's bullshit and start attacking him.

Meanwhile I thought this was good insight. It's funny how a lot of politics still comes back to basics of campaigning.

Lots of talk about why the "red wave" hit NY and pretty much nowhere else except FL. Here's my take.

1st, the facts: Gov. @KathyHochul lost by 11 points in my senate district in Rockland, a district Biden carried by 3 points and Hillary won by 8). 🧵1/

— Elijah Reichlin-Melnick (@Elijah4Senate) November 15, 2022

Trump's shit talking won't be nearly as effective if the GOP and conservative media line up behind DeSantis, because they'll all stop amplifying Trump's bullshit and start attacking him.

― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, November 15, 2022 10:06 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if theres one thing the media absolutely cannot resist its amplifying donald trump

i mean the gop establishment lined up against him in 2016 and no one even noticed, the thing they have to hope for is that his heart just isnt in it hes too old and tired etc

I think what they have to hope for is: the guy literally can’t stop talking about the same handful of things and while not nearly enough people feel this way for me to personally feel comfortable I think a lot of people just find him pretty boring now

if theres one thing the media absolutely cannot resist its amplifying donald trump

― lag∞n

I got knots in my stomach watching local news hype TRUMP TO MAKE ANNOUNCEMENT LATER OH MY GOD as if it were 2016.

I think what they have to hope for is: the guy literally can’t stop talking about the same handful of things and while not nearly enough people feel this way for me to personally feel comfortable I think a lot of people just find him pretty boring now

― omar little, Tuesday, November 15, 2022 10:14 AM (twelve seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

idk hes good at playing to the crowd, using rallies as focus groups, im sure many people who were once on board are sick of him by now, but is it enough for him to lose the primaries, do the republicans even have anyone good enough to beat him

I think a lot of people just find him pretty boring now

Trump fatigue is a real thing and not only on the left. On the other hand, he's very good at sucking up all the oxygen, as we know.

do the republicans even have anyone good enough to beat him

I don't think they do?

so are we to assume the investigations for stealing confidential documents, the massive tax fraud, and all the 1/6 stuff are all just dead in the water now

as far as house committee investigations go, probably, but I don't know why any DOJ activity would stop now

yeah he has a lot of people on his ass

The grift abides

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/walker-calls-gop-deceptive-fundraising-georgia-race-rcna57136

The campaign said it first noticed the problem Saturday when former President Donald Trump’s Save America sent out an email that asked prospective donors to “contribute ANY AMOUNT IMMEDIATELY to the Official Georgia Runoff Fundraising Goal and increase your impact by 1200%”

But if donors didn’t see a link that said “click here for details or to edit allocation,” they wouldn’t have noticed that 90% of their contributions automatically went to Trump, with the remaining 10% going to Walker.

lol

lol lmao

i mean if I was Hershel Walker this would not endear me to the former President

Oh you can bet he's grumbling about it already.

phew. now that kari lake has officially lost, i can fully take in the hilarity of her calling mike lindell "one of the great patriots of our time"

"One of the great groypers, like Trump is a great groper."

the 90% for trump / 10% for walker thing is kind of a neat epochal update for the practice of tithing