U.S. Politics, November 2022: “I don’t know, you hear the same things I do”

i'm not sure i agree with the argument that desantis wouldn't be accepted by conservatives nationwide. i have no idea what 60% of florida voters see in him, but florida's population is more diverse than most red states and they all seem to have loved what he stands for. pretty creepy, and sounds like something that people here in missouri will eagerly lap up. a strong majority of people here voted for these two guys on purpose
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Newsom would have to run in '24 or '28 against the K-Hive. Not happening.

based on his moves in state politics over the past 6-12 months, he thinks it is.

I hope Whitmer runs. I like Pritzker too for a rich guy.

Polis also. Any of them are more electable than Newsom.

(I say that as someone who basically likes Newsom.)

So kimberly guilfoyle was the new Jackie O, love it

Whoever runs needs to carry a hammer to all debates

banking on a desantis faceplant in a national election would seem to be a dangerous strategy, conservatives nationwide loved the guy's refusal to listen to the covid science and his pushback against that terrible wokeness thing. i don't *know* that he would win in a GE, i think trump as an agent of chaos is more likely to chum the water for a certain not-small segment of RW voters, and desantis as a sour-faced agent of GOP order is less appealing. i do think this midterm has made trump look weak tho.

i don't think desantis would faceplant, but i do think he'd have to fight trump the entire time

i want this guy to run. he's 6'8". https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/ltgov

He managed to get his Department of Health to recommend against mRNA vaccines for people 18-39 by demanding his surgeon general retrofit a study to say they caused heart disease.

That's a bit further along on the COVID denialism/anti-vax train and will appeal to those types of voters

never bet against an opponent that is significantly taller

fetterman/gilchrist 2028

You've got this all wrong, this election made Trump look strong. He proved once again he can single-handedly tank a GOP candidate with just an endorsement.

Trump should be threatening to endorse DeSantis.

conservatives nationwide

Not only are these people not a majority, they're not even a plurality, and the midterms have demonstrated pretty convincingly that a whole lot of Americans are sick of their bullshit.

xp
there's also, fuckin, ben sasse just peaced out of being a senator to go run the University of Florida system. i don't know much about (anything) the dynamic between public universities and the state, but i won't be shocked if desantis ends up fucking around with the universities with sasse as his toady. that seems like the kind of thing his base would like, to severely damage the public education system by any means necessary. i think sasse's willingness to run into that situation by quitting his elected post so early speaks to the draw of trumpism without trump for a lot of people. a lot of people just want a king

DeSantis has a 'Mom's dicky new boyfriend' vibe

a lot of people just want a king who will protect their privileges, condone their 'soft' racism, punish poor people, and generally provide them with an endless circus but no bread.

Not only are these people not a majority, they're not even a plurality, and the midterms have demonstrated pretty convincingly that a whole lot of Americans are sick of their bullshit.

i agree with that, i think it boils down to getting that "sick of their bullshit" vote out again. i don't necessarily think desantis would or should be favored in an election, he just could have that appeal to the asshole base who would rally around a proper fuckface.

I kinda think if the GOP had a backpedaling, come to jesus moment of softly refuting the more overtly fascist aspects of their platform and nominated another boring plutocrat like Romney, they could probably win the presidency. So thank god that, in lieu of doing any of that, they're all just gonna throw their weight behind an even more divisive (and way less popular) extremist like DeSantis and hope that the untamable frothing beast Trump gets in line and doesn't undermine them at every turn (even though he's consistently demonstrated steadfast resistance towards doing anything that didn't benefit him personally but hey why start acknowledging observable reality now).

there is no way he will ever stop attacking whoever comes after him. the question will be how long his crowd sticks with him, and i am inclined to believe that he will have a pretty large core that will never go away

My sister is a fan of Trump but also likes DeSantis. She’d vote for either. :-///

xpost For sure, after all, we live in a world were a non-zero number of people are convinced JFK, Jr. is coming back to save us, and also pedophiles and blood and Guantanamo and pizza and stuff.

Also, Obama being the obvious outlier, low-info voters (read: a lot of voters) vote for a president whose name they're intimately familiar with. A Bush! A Clinton! A Trump! Biden, I don't pay attention to news or current events so I don't know who he is exactly but I sure have heard his name for a lot of years! DeSantis??? Do you mean Santa Claus? Because I would vote for him, no question!

Is he running?

xpost yeah, I hear that 'Trump without the baggage' thing about DeSantis, but he's also without the humor/folksiness/bewildered 'charm' of Trump

Trump can connect with a crowd, DeSantis just scowls at everyone

i'm looking into desantis' height. sources are very patchy but he might not be tall enough for the job

Need a president with a catchy last name like Booty

Vote for Booty does have a certain ring.

another boring plutocrat like Romney, they could probably win the presidency

Maybe but what percentage of their now completely radicalized base stays home or votes for Fascist 2000 Nader in this scenario?

Lol yea a Romney is now "too weak" to win. Essentially Republicans might as well splinter into two parties at this point

MUST BE 5'11" or TALLER TO RIDE AIR FORCE ONE

splinter into two parties at this point

GOP vs. The REAL GOP

GOP https://i.imgur.com/aZAbiLr.png
@RealG0P

De Santis is has no sense of humor, which is a big part of Trump's appeal. He ain't funny. Put him on stage in a debate with the big man and he'll look like Jeb!

You know DeSantis is not as well-known as he thinks he is because this did not become a ubiquitous meme:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeV7CkCXkAMEgzB?format=jpg&name=small

here's something that probably won't happen, buuut

what if, as many are saying ("many are saying"), nevada does end up going blue, and so does arizona, and then the GA runoff goes to Warnock (as seems likely imo). in this scenario, let's also say katie hobbs defeats kari lake and remains governor of arizona.

that would be 51 democratic senators, which means 49 + manchin and sinema. but then, in a very bold and corrupt move, rich people just give sinema a ton of money to do what ben sasse just did - she just resigns and takes some post she's not qualified which pays well and gives her lots of unearned prestige, and they all live forever on in great wealth until they die very happily and comfortably. but *law and order noise* under arizona state law (https://www.azleg.gov/ars/16/00222.htm), the governor would appoint a replacement to cover for sinema until the next general election (2024). in this scenario, katie hobbs is governor, and in this scenario she is really cool and puts pressure on the national democratic party that her selection will be the 50th vote to codify roe etc etc, or else, and then somehow it actually happens

Kyrsten Sinema: America's Wine Ambassador

I remain convinced (for my sanity decrees it) that the radicalized republicans remain a noisy minority (even if only like 49.9%) and that the bulk of the party remains the 'I vote R because I am an R also what are current events and also don't make me feel bad for being uncomfortable with brown people and the gays' type of lower-impact cretin. I really don't think the type of GOP-er pulling down $500k and living in a suburban mini McMansion, filled with inchoate xenophobia though they may be, has any real interest in the complete dissolution of ordered society. And I can imagine those types responding much more favorably to a genteel Romney-esque bag of wind who will still give them whatever they want than to Ron 'the world is my toilet and I'm gonna fill it' DeSantis.

All just baseless speculation, though. I used to think most people were non-maniacs who did things for discernible reasons so I clearly just live in a total dreamworld.

xp re: sinema

so many of the people in congress are technocratic "let's run the government like a business!" (or worse, "like a start up!"), so they should take their own advice for once and give a leveraged buyout to an employee that completely sucks

There's a lot of right-wing media based in Florida these days and it seems to have an agenda to make DeSantis and the state seem like fun paradise where everyone is happy and not angry like the woke libs. It's like this weird Jimmy Buffet bubble.

yeah, and the thing is, none of those people actually seem happy. like the vibe in FL hasn't been 'happy go lucky, party time" in years. you see these conservativey people out Mike Love-ing it with rum and cokes on the patio and they just have this look on their face like their entire existence requires someone to wind-up, so when they're around other people like them, they're miserable.

shoulda seen the crowd reaction at Napalm Death when Barney yelled "fuck Ron DeSantis"

the second shortest napalm death song

hmm I wonder if I email Barney and company if they'd actually turn that into a song

Need a president with a catchy last name like Booty

Vote for Booty does have a certain ring.

Let's not get into the Mayor Pete argument all over again so soon after the last one

The real Red Wave: When the entire Murdoch empire — Fox News, the N.Y. Post, and the WSJ Opinion section — turns simultaneously on Trump pic.twitter.com/mFY41KqgDp

— Doyle McManus (@DoyleMcManus) November 10, 2022

I can't stress how much MAGA Miamians think the rest of you lot live in a Stalin-era gulag compared to cheeseburgers in paradise down here -- and they've traveled since 2019! They see what they wanna see.