U.S. Politics, November 2022: “I don’t know, you hear the same things I do”

I mean, if we're all giddy with optimism at the moment...

Well, it's likely he'll at least outlive Twitter

The thing that worries me about a DeSantis run is he's the perfect storm evolution of Trump. He has little of DJT's ineptitude, he has been able to fire people who won't play ball and install key loyalists at key positions without the drama that derailed Trump.

He also won over a lot of dumb independents by playing to "freedom", how he refused to lock us down/mandate masks/etc while other states were still doing so

He will definitely try to appear to be the "competent fascist" we've been warned will come down the pike after Trump, even though that's all a media-enabled illusion.

Trouble is, for many of the Trump die-hards who go to the rallies, who didn't previously vote, it seemed like he was the most colorful thing to enter into their lives in some time, in addition to finally have candidate bullying and hateful enough for their liking. Trump will have to re-create or DeSantis will have to find a way to create that sort of excitement.

What was DeSantis's main talking point yesterday? That he won as a rebuke to "woke." He is very much attempting to lean into the Trump qualities he can muster.

I’ve seen a lot of points like this which book down to: he’s weird and he’s not a national candidate. No idea if true.

the thing about desantis that i think is overlooked when discussing his national potential is that he is a genuine crank, and a humorless one at that pic.twitter.com/H0KxQn3Ecf

— b-boy bouiebaisse (@jbouie) August 9, 2022

One of my Trumpiest local elected officials:

I’m thankful for what President Trump did for this country during his Presidency. However, 2 years of the below is not the path forward for victory in 2024.
The GOP does need a bold, decisive, proven, unifying conservative leader. That man is now @RonDeSantisFL. pic.twitter.com/DPFdrGVsNo

— Rep. Jason Zachary (@JasonZacharyTN) November 9, 2022

To which all I can say is *popcorn gif*

From the outside, DeSantis really looks like the villain in a straight-to-videocassette action movie.

(Biden got 5.3 million in Florida, so... ?)

Now that everyone sees the full extent to which Trump is a liability even when he's NOT on the ballot, the next couple months are going to be lots of new and unexpected fun for him

https://www.startribune.com/trump-urged-to-delay-2024-launch-after-gops-uneven-election/600223943/

Gonna say it: maybe changing the asshole’s name to a female version of the name isn’t the best strategy, iykwim. I know it’s just stupid but really, we have to do better than associate weakness and stupidity with women.

Plus Rhonda is a kickass name, don’t let anyone tell you differently.

― poppin' debussy (the table is the table), Wednesday, November 9, 2022 11:10 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Thanks, tabes. I thought this yesterday as the "riff" was happening but my bar for much of what remains of ilx is already pretty low and anyway it was boring and not what I come to this thread for so I skated past and didn't say anything, but...thank you.

I apologize for climbing aboard with a lame riff on the Rhonda trend. Thank you for the gut check

shouldn't it be said that in 2020, i got 1.1 million more votes in Florida than Ron D got this year?

i wonder if he realizes that in 2020 it was a presidential election and that this year is a midterm. i've heard there are differences in turnout!

there's a multiplicative factors function somewhere to compare the two that's like "dirtbag and asshole appeal-charisma" x "competent bj provider to big money" that will be determinative in the primary xp

The way the rest of the activated around Dem policies and leadership in such an inspiring way and NY State was a wasteland of neglected competitive races and the NYSDC doing NOTHING is, I hope, going to bring A LOT OF SCRUTINY to how broken the party is here. Bring it the fuck on.

*the rest of the country (YAY MICHIGAN!!)

Hangover from the Cuomo era ending in flames?

Hangover from the Cuomo era ending in flames?

Very much not JUST that, I'm not the most expert diagnostician but there's plenty of blame to share.

Spread among Cuomo's governing as a Republican and trying to annihilate anything to his left (the Working Families Party for ex), Eric Adams messaging NONSTOP about crime & appealing to the racism of white ethics in the mayoral race, Jay Jacobs the Dem state chair not lifting a finger or spending a single dollar in 2021 to support the good-governance ballot initiatives that would have expanded voting rights (Republicans spent big on a media campaign to defeat them btw WHICH SUCCEEDED), and Sean Patrick Maloney being so selfish and short-sighted that he shot down the career of rising star Mondaire Jones in order to supplant him in a re-districted senate district and then being so uninspiring that he lost his race, leaving Dems down a senate seat. Fuck.

For more about why Jay Jacobs is terrible and should resign, see here: https://www.gothamgazette.com/130-opinion/10906-jay-jacobs-new-york-pro-democracy-movement

DeSantis? More like De-Can't With This.

Every time I see something about DeSantis he is going all-in on "woke." He uses the word "woke" more than Smurfs use "smurf." But most people don't give a shit about "woke," and once he goes national and isn't protected by his people and is actually asked to define "woke" and shoots himself in the dick, he could be done.

tbh two years to go but neither strikes me as a strong national candidate.

seems a little on the nose, even for him

Trump is on a tear over on Truth Social, saying all sorts of things this morning, attacking Fox and various news outlets and calling people various names. He does not like the coverage of the results, as it relates to him. One of the posts ends: "Remember, I am a stable genius."

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) November 10, 2022

So was Mr. Ed.

I might have chimed in on the Rhonda thing yesterday and I apologize.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/11/election-results-who-won-the-midterms-trump-abortion.html

Yeah do the GOP really think Trump will quietly accept Lil Ron being the new standard bearer? He’s not a party man who will accept a new leader “for the good of the party” (and I highly doubt DeSantis has what it takes to be a national figure) and his entire life is motivated by revenge against real and perceived personal slights.

He will finally destroy the party like Lindsay predicted, and boy do they deserve it

However I do want see Trump run third party, this clearing the way for Biden’s decomposing corpse to sail to an historic landslide.

re: DeSantis, he's a popular candidate within Florida, but we also spend a lot of times in swamps and watching people drive in circles for hours, so whoooooooo knows how well it would transfer to the national stage.

major upset in Colorado District 8, Dem candidate won despite having less than 3% chance.

And @laurenboebert just took the lead from @AdamForColorado by 386 votes as of 5 minutes ago.

First update of the day, more on their way as more votes are put in. @CBSNewsColorado pic.twitter.com/GdqU5lfSgA

— Spencer Wilson (@Spencer_WNews) November 10, 2022

You take the good you take the bad

"But most people don't give a shit about "woke,"

I don't know about this.

I think they deeply care about 'woke' without having any idea what it means

something somethning about litter boxes in the classroom.. if I ain't fer it, I'm agin it!

^^^ was about to type the same. Even if they can't properly define it, it fuels their racist grievances.

NYS background about how the state chair, currently the bad and hated Jay Jacobs, is elected by members of the State Democratic Committee, which is made up of District Leaders from every Assembly District in the state. These seats are filled by election during the primary ONLY, they don't go to the General. And if the party-backed candidates are running unopposed, they won't even appear on the ballot, they'll just be slotted into their seats without anyone ever actually voting for them.

So basically flip your District Leaders and we can flip the state leadership.

Ok! I see that you are now aware that the State Democratic Party (and its Chair, Jay Jacobs) are largely to blame for the Democrats doing so poorly in NY this year.

And now you want to do something about it!

Here's where to start. 🧵

— Brian P. Mangan (@brianpmangan) November 10, 2022

useful link for anyone with election brain worms (not a needle)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/10/us/elections/results-house-seats-elections-congress.html

I think they deeply care about 'woke' without having any idea what it means

I saw a guy complaining about Star Trek Discovery's wokeness yesterday and in the same sentence acknowledged original Trek's legacy 'but this is different' - the actual 'wokeness' (representation, social issues dealt with via fiction) isn't even the objectionable part to a lot of them, it's just inchoate anger at and disdain for anything in the society/culture that seems to have passed them by.

it's just inchoate anger at and disdain for anything in the society/culture that seems to have passed them by.

perfect example of that: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/nov/10/heckler-gets-life-ban-from-royal-opera-house-for-shouting-rubbish-at-child-actor

Words like 'woke' aren't evergreen so DeSantis will have to pivot at some point to the newest threat against cranky old codgers who want to live in a Norman Rockwell calendar

xp god that reminded me of this gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnQGuyxB01o

I went to watch Gina Carano lift weights and yelled "Albatross!" over and over til she threw a dumbbell at me

Oh and Mike Lindell's at it again:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CkuveTxuIfd/

(Claims Walz stole the MN gov. election from Jensen.)

#thingsiwishihaddone

Lindell's at it again:

he's never not at it

re: DeSantis, he's a popular candidate within Florida, but we also spend a lot of times in swamps and watching people drive in circles for hours, so whoooooooo knows how well it would transfer to the national stage.

The rest of America's feelings about Florida (not good; cf. "Florida Man") are an underappreciated factor here, too. What plays well down there is likely to play very poorly elsewhere precisely because it plays well down there. It's sort of the mirror image of Rudy thinking he could be President because 9/11, while conveniently forgetting how much the rest of the country hates New York and all its leaders, regardless of party.

^ ^ ^

DeSantis has less charm than a crusty (and you know why) gym sock stuffed under a racist mattress.

Exit Neanderthal and Lord Soto, chased by a gator

xpost Now that you mention it, I don't think I've ever seen a mattress that wasn't white. Or at least that wasn't supposed to be white.