U.S. Politics, November 2022: “I don’t know, you hear the same things I do”

Their help = "How about not voting for this extremist asshole?" And the GOP took the bait.

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 9, 2022 3:26 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yep. 100%

lol remember people wetting their diapers about this Dem strategy

My diaper was wet due to moral reasons more than strategic, but I'll admit I was wrong to worry about it backfiring.

But on the moral front, billionaires being able to purchase their opponents is bad not good imo:

Illinois Gov. J.B. Prtizker, a billionaire businessman, was the first to deploy the strategy, pouring tens of millions of dollars of his own money into the Democratic Governors’ Association, which aired ads boosting ultra-conservative state Sen. Darren Bailey in the primary. As of midnight on Tuesday, Prtizker was winning his race by roughly 14 percentage points.

The sooner you realize morals are out the window with this country the better off we will be.

I don't think there's any way DeSantis wins the nomination. He doesn't have anything like the cult of personality that Trunp does. He's got the personality of a gym teacher/used car salesman

― a (waterface)

or private school teacher hanging out at student parties.

on the moral front

Who's talking about morality? We're talking politics (and in that case, Illinois politics, so double LOL).

i mean

John Gibbs got washed in #MI03, the seat the DCCC took endless heat over after it helped him beat Peter Meijer in the primary. 13-point defeat in a seat Biden only won by 8.5 points. https://t.co/nGJA8xohlz

— David Weigel (@daveweigel) November 9, 2022

hahaha yeah that fits too, the private school teacher thing. I feel like a lot of people have had teachers like him and most people HATE teachers like him

The great lesson from Fetterman’s win is no matter what challenges you face, no matter how hard it’ll take to recover, cyberbullying the shit out of your enemies works

— Aaron Stewart-Ahn (@somebadideas) November 9, 2022

Pritzker's victory speech was interesting

Not sure why people think conservatives nationwide won't embrace DeSantis? Like both Bush Jr and Trump before their candidacies were sorry sacks of dumb shit. The GOP + the press will spackle DeSantis with the same crumbly electability, and it'll take way less work.

Apparently Pritzker made an astonishingly inspiring speech at his victory party, a speech you might almost call "presidential."

xp mh!!!!!

Glad Evers won in WI but feeling pretty gutted about that demon Ron Johnson likely winning as well

Not sure why people think conservatives nationwide won't embrace DeSantis? Like both Bush Jr and Trump before their candidacies were sorry sacks of dumb shit.

He has none of those guys' strange un-charm.

only because of the polls in days leading up. it seemed like momentum was shifting. definitely not anything OZ did to earn it.

― Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, November 9, 2022 9:27 AM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yea I think it's gonna become clear in the coming days that those polls were planted by GOP operatives

Not sure why people think conservatives nationwide won't embrace DeSantis? Like both Bush Jr and Trump before their candidacies were sorry sacks of dumb shit. The GOP + the press will spackle DeSantis with the same crumbly electability, and it'll take way less work.

It'll depend entirely on how gerrymandered the Electoral College is, but if DeSantis is the nominee his popular vote numbers will be fucking dismal. Yes, "conservatives" (gun-polishing knuckle-walkers waving Confederate flags) will be all in, but normal people will recoil en masse. Because remember, Trump wasn't fascist at first — he was showbiz. DeSantis is just an old-school Southern fascist goon. He's George Wallace.

He has none of those guys' strange un-charm.

For sure--there have been some profiles done on him recently (one in the New Yorker maybe) and dude has the charisma of a bowl of applesauce

Also: DeSantis has never faced opposition in his life. He won his district easily as a congressman. We have no serious Democratic opposition in Florida. He redrew the districts after the state GOP and state Dems reached a good faith deal. Imagine this guy with a divided legislature.

some highlights from Pritzker’s speech in this thread, but I’m laughing at this line

Pritzker: "...Our values are under siege. But they are worth fighting for, and I will not let our challenges crush the spirit that I've always brought to this job. Facing this moment requires that every happy warrior find a little bit of a nomadic warrior in them, as well. ...

— Kelly Bauer (@BauerJournalism) November 9, 2022

lol remember people wetting their diapers about this Dem strategy

And with this race call, every single Republican who won their primary with help from Democratic meddling has lost in the general election. https://t.co/jwu7diAq1N
— Kevin Robillard 🇺🇸 (@Robillard) November 9, 2022
― a (waterface), Wednesday, November 9, 2022 9:19 AM (thirty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

maybe it was a good strategy after all. i mean who knows more about how to lose a general election

after Bush II and trump, i don't know why anyone thinks the repubs could find anyone to lead them who isn't truly unelectable.

I am not online enough to know what this is but apparently there's been people calling themselves "Nomads for Pritzker" for a while now??

https://twitter.com/Nomads4Pritzker?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

a circus animal last night somehow made it onto the floor of a county's election headquarters and disrupted the vote-counting.

an aggrieved GOP voter screamed "STOP THE SEAL!"

I've always liked Pritzker, one of those politicians that ran on a certain platform and, go figure, afaict did everything he promised to do, or at least tried. And when covid came up, handled it with calm and actual leadership, and not in a dickhead way like Lightfoot (or, hey, Desantis) did. I remember when Pritzker was running for governor, I was talking with a really progressive candidate for local office around here and she was complaining about him having toilets removed from his mansion to reduce his taxes or something, and I remember telling her, who gives a shit? He's worth $3 billion, of course he's going to do some rich people shit, which has nothing to do with his politics and positions, which are good.

Herschel Walker could have been the first Senator traded to another state for 5-6 other Senators

Boebert still hanging in there?

Kentucky rejected the amendment to negate abortion rights, official

that is excellent news! as are the results in VT, MI, and CA

Good. Them and Michigan and ... Montana? Almost Montana? I'm surprised there was not a (more) extreme law on the ballot in Florida, unless there was and I missed it.

It'll depend entirely on how gerrymandered the Electoral College is

Obviously, we don't know yet what the House is going to look like. But if the Republicans end up with control by seven seats or fewer, it seems like we ought to talk about how #SCOTUS's orders in the Alabama and Louisiana cases helped to make that happen:https://t.co/yRyWngZnOV

— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) November 9, 2022

RE: DeSantis I believe the stuff upthread about him having no charisma, but I feel stuff like keeping the beaches open during a pandemic and flying immigrants to Martha's Vineyard *is* a malevolent cult-of-personality thing that he has that other GOP hopefuls don't. Shitty base loves shitty behavior. I don't know that that could translate to success in a national election, but then I never thought Trump could win.

But I'm deferring to Alfred's wisdom on this one.

There are conservatives in Florida that outright love him. I've seen DeSantis hats in the wild

I didn't think Trump would win but I understand his appeal to dirtbags. I understand DeSantis' appeal too.

I have no wisdom when the Florida Democratic Party set out to lose these elections.

A couple of local races that are important to me are leaning red at the moment, and there are enough mail-in and provisional ballots to potentially swing them, but apparently our Board of Elections won't even start counting mail-ins and provisionals until Thursday. :/

Crist needs to be locked in a basement for four years. Sodded two important elections for us now

I know I live in a very blue city in a solidly blue state, so it's not necessarily indicative of things elsewhere, but I was frankly stunned by the turnout here. I waited in line nearly a full hour, which is very significantly longer than I've ever had to wait in the 15 years I've lived here.

On the hyper local level, glad our City voted for ranked choice local elections for primaries and runoffs starting in 2025!

I'm not a highly paid political consultant, but I could have told Florida Democrats that running Charlie Crist against DeSantis would not end well at all.

I'm so proud I asked him a rude question in May 2021 after he showed up to our meeting in a park wearing a full suit.

man that Pritziker speech is really something

exp the issue in Iowa was that the state party leadership is stuck on some idea of what a "good candidate" for governor would be and I don't think a lot of people have a coherent vision of what that'd be, nor would they recognize one

it's completely possible that name recognition can build by running for different elected positions or by trying again, but it just doesn't seem to be working. it looks like Stacey Abrams got less of the vote than her last run in Georgia

sorry, that was meant to be an xxxxxxpost

seems like the new normal is the Republican base will never, ever vote for a Democrat for elected office but are happy to vote for very liberal policies via referendum

that's how Cubans think too

Yeah, that JB speech was great.

Roll this man at the 2024 GOP field like a bowling ball pic.twitter.com/XP3WM5Fd9M

— Screamer Jim (@HeheWaitWhut) June 27, 2022

i would go to war for this billionaire

Yep, this is happening. Lauren Boebert is going down in #CO03. Massive upset by @AdamForColorado, a major defeat for the MAGA movement and a pretty big win for basic common sense and constituent services -- h/t @GalenMetzger1 and @Thorongil16 for tracking this and calling it.

— Lakshya Jain (@lxeagle17) November 9, 2022

Yessssssssssssss

seen a few people point out that the GOP majority will likely depend on cuomo ratfucking redistricting in NY. on the other hand, one would hope those new NY reps will be reluctant to e.g. impeach for the lols.

the GOP in colorado (not just boebert) absolutely ate shit. extremely gratifying.