U.S. Politics, November 2022: “I don’t know, you hear the same things I do”

There’s no way to expand the court rather than forcing a woman out of her job? Is that right?

― after several days on “the milk,” (gyac)

No. It would shock me if Biden didn't replace Sotomayor with a woman.

Better hope she’s 100% healthy and stays that way!

How many others would a mandatory retirement age of hypothetically 75 (regardless of preexisting conditions) disqualify?

I understand these objections, but are you all not worried about the prospect of a GOP president in 2024 getting to replace Sotomayor? I'm just going by recent history here.

I'm court-packing-curious, but that doesn't seem likely to happen any time soon for a variety of reasons; all three liberal justices are women so there isn't a male option to suggest; and yeah sorry "our team" has no sway over the other six fascists, I don't know what to say about that. obviously I would strongly prefer if they all died in a series of increasingly embarrassing scenarios and Sotomayor could do whatever she wants

btw I was saying in 2020-2021 that Breyer better get off the Court too.

I feel like if you get a GOP President in 2024 the court will be the least of your concerns.

Thankfully the only people expressing the frankly batshit opinion that Sotomayor should stand aside are here in this thread, and are men. COINKEYDINKEY?

Fetterman's campaign manager weighs in:

Good morning! If you were an “unnamed Democrat” who wet the bed to the press after the debate, I hope you stub your toe on the corner of your bed frame this morning, spill coffee on your shirt and then lock your keys in your car. But mostly, I hope you know you’re a fucking loser

— Brendan McPhillips (@BrendanMcP) November 9, 2022

It's not "frankly bat shit." Ginsberg should've left the Court in 2013 when Obama won reelection and we still had the Senate. It's not bat shit when the president quite likely nominates a woman to replace her.

I feel like if you get a GOP President in 2024 the court will be the least of your concerns.

― after several days on “the milk,” (gyac)

We're not there yet, therefore I/we have other worries.

I think filibustering is wrong plain and simple.
Are lifetime appointments wrong or right for Supreme Court Justices?
Should there be a mandatory retirement age across all branches of government?
Should those who have been elected to serve be gently encouraged or know when to retire, or should there be mechanisms to do this with less fuss?

right back at u. brendan.

i wrote a quick "i didn't view this thread yesterday, or any info media, because too much for me." i clear-cleared it because not interesting or useful.

that's a weird "thx for sharing," i guess.

i want good things to be done. pissed off this is probly not that, at all. but for now FUCK YOU, ABYSS!

another time i'll try to share in scotus thoughts. i need to breathe a minute.

I would absolutely be in favor of term limits on justices

Brendan is a king among weasels

I would absolutely be in favor of term limits on justices

― Muad'Doob (Moodles),

Hear, hear.

Justices have been gently and not so gently encouraged to retire since the 19th century.

I was bummed about moving back to michigan in 2017 but elections since then have been reassuring me a bit - the top three insaniacs got beat, abortion and voting rights won, my district that flipped in 2020 and was subsequently redrawn to be more R friendly stayed, the republicans appear to have lost control of the state legislature, the guy who primaried peter meijer for voting for impeachment lost, and my neighbor who ran for school board because a total nutjob entered the race won and that guy lost.

Ginsberg was also much older than Sotomayor, so you’re comparing apples and oranges, and before we know the outcome of all the races. That’s really dumb.

The UK had a PM with Type 1 diabetes and that did not affect her day to day in the job.

I'd also endorse an age limit on presidents.

(or appointed)

Ginsberg was also much older than Sotomayor, so you’re comparing apples and oranges, and before we know the outcome of all the races. That’s really dumb.

The UK had a PM with Type 1 diabetes and that did not affect her day to day in the job.

― put a VONC on it (suzy)

Fair. Ginsberg had cancer in 2013. I'm just scarred by the last six years of Court watching. Kennedy retires just in time for the midterms and gets his protege nominated, Barrett gets nominated a month before the election as an Earth-3 version of Ginsberg -- hell, it wouldn't have shocked if Scalia knew McConnell would never allow Obama to fill his seat.

was Rudy Giuliani trying to turn PA into the hotbed of electoral corruption the thing that made Fetterman a household name? Google Trends seems to suggest so

It just occurred to me that David Souter (Sotomayor's predecessor) is still alive and not that old (83). He retired at 69 reportedly because he didn't like D.C.

I look forward to many more elections of outside money ratfuckers trying to primary "vulnerable" radical Illhan Omar having to watch her cruise to general election victory 75-25

I'd also endorse an age limit on presidents.

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 November 2022 bookmarkflaglink

So who would you have run against Trump a couple of years ago?

My mom.

She voted for Trump right?

Some talk about why Sinema didn't lift a finger to help out any AZ Democrats this election. Either she's so unpopular that no candidate wanted to be seen with her or she was trying to distance herself from anticipated losses, or she's thinking of switching parties.

I mean the real reason is probably that she's taking a pickling class but you know

Stop the steal type republicans taking the biggest losses here by looks of it?

Minnesota solidifies blue island status in the upper midwest:

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/democrats-win-minnesota-senate-to-gain-trifecta-control-of-state-government/

getting back some of these state legislatures (or wresting partial control away) in various states is a thing that's bringing me joy.

as that's one area where we've struggled, no doubt in large part due to unchecked gerrymandering held in place by conservative state Supreme Courts

👏 👏 👏

looks like Rs really did flood the zone with bad polls which convinced the morons at FOX that guys like Dr. Oz really were gonna win. curious how 538 reacts to this given they still have Trafalgar as an A- and they wound up missing several races by double digits

I was firmly convinced Oz had it

Indulge me in a little fan fiction: What if Bill Clinton's first act as president was introducing a bipartisan SCOTUS term limits act that limited each new justice to 18 years but allowed sitting justices to serve as long as they like?

Assuming the sitting justices would retire on the same schedule as they actually did, nothing would really change in the composition of the court until Obama took office. That's when it would get interesting. Obama would appoint Sotomayor and Kagan as usual, and then in 2011-12 (with a Democratic majority in the Senate) he would have an opportunity to replace both Ginsburg and Breyer with new liberal justices.

This wouldn't alter the 5-4 conservative majority. However, because no new justices were appointed between 1999 and 2003, Trump would not have an opportunity to replace anyone. Ginsburg would die in 2020, but it wouldn't matter because she would've already been retired for nine years.

Finally, in 2023, John Roberts would be obligated to retire, and Biden would be able to appoint a new chief justice (hopefully, the Democrats could hold onto the Senate in the 2022 midterms!). This would produce a new 5-4 liberal majority, which Biden could possibly expand to 6-3 in 2024 with the retirement of Alito.

jaymc, that's hotter than Brokeback slash fiction.

xp Wait, I think I forgot to factor in the death of Scalia.

I mean, that could really go either way, depending on whether Mitch McConnell still plays hardball in 2016. But even if Trump got to appoint Gorsuch in 2017, it would still put the liberals in a better position now.

hotter than Brokeback slash fiction

Wait, what would slash fic bring to to the BM universe? An Anne Hathaway cosplay 3some?

lol remember people wetting their diapers about this Dem strategy

And with this race call, every single Republican who won their primary with help from Democratic meddling has lost in the general election. https://t.co/jwu7diAq1N

— Kevin Robillard 🇺🇸 (@Robillard) November 9, 2022

Yeah, I'm still wetting my pants about it because it opens a really stupid can of worms that I can easily see the GOP taking advantage of.

Stop the steal type republicans taking the biggest losses here by looks of it?

― anvil, Wednesday, November 9, 2022 9:05 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yea I mean we've had three big elections since 2016 and it seems pretty clear that the Trumpy/fascist shit just doesn't work anymore. given inflation/gas prices/Biden's general unpopularity this should've been like a +50 seat pickup for Republicans and instead they're faceplanting because they decided to go full bore on relitigating 2020 and whining about trans people. also glad that the Never Trump Republican that the Ds ran in Florida totally ate shit because they need to get that dumb fucking idea out of their head for good. I mean they weren't beating DeSantis anyway but this might actually convince him to go for it in the general which would be pretty hilarious

what can of worms would that be xpost

I mean, that could really go either way, depending on whether Mitch McConnell still plays hardball in 2016. But even if Trump got to appoint Gorsuch in 2017, it would still put the liberals in a better position now.

Sorry, I'm dumb. If McConnell sits on the Garland nomination and Trump appoints Gorsuch, then everything still plays out as planned because the conservatives keep a 5-4 majority. And Trump would obviously still be able to appoint Kavanaugh in 2018 to replace Kennedy. The main thing that changes is that Ginsburg's death in 2020 doesn't matter, so Biden comes into office with the ability to change it to a liberal majority in 2023.

Their help = "How about not voting for this extremist asshole?" And the GOP took the bait.

I was firmly convinced Oz had it

Genuinely curious why. To me, "stridently local guy with existing power base and strong populist appeal" beats "smirking TV asshole from out of state" 1000 times out of 100. Was it just fatalism that made you think Oz was gonna win — a general "we suck, we're gonna lose" mindset? Because to me his candidacy was 100% a media creation.

it's gonna be wild to see half the maga types pull for Desantis and the culties go toward Trump

only because of the polls in days leading up. it seemed like momentum was shifting. definitely not anything OZ did to earn it.

If DeSantis wins the nomination (more fan fiction), Trump will absolutely go third party.

as a caretaker of a disabled stroke victim, Oz losing meant twice as much to me, esp since he fucking used the stroke as a point of attack.