ARRRRGGGHHH DAYLIGHT SAVINGS!!!!

Daylight savings all the time, standard time sucks

only if you're not a morning person

it's

"daylight

SAVING"

!!!

I've slept gloriously the last two nights.

As much as I mostly just think we should stick to either standard or daylight savings without going through the time change twice a year, my winters would depress the hell out of me if I had to wake up every morning in the darkness, so my vote is definitely towards standard time year-round.

1. Almost everybody says they hate changing

2. We can't agree which to settle on.

3. At the same time (ahem) I am given to understand that when we DIDN'T change, everybody hated that too..

4. Hence my proposed compromise: half an hour, leave it there forever. "The time" is an arbitrary construct anyway.

My proposed compromise - everyone is blinded

wrapped up like a douche

Campaign shouting like a teenage diplomat #onethread

How about we go to permanent daylight savings time but as a compromise we all start work/school one hour later during the winter.

I’ve literally never known anyone irl complain about this, is this an American thing? It gets darker earlier? Yeah, that’s called the rotation of the earth on its axis.

we're americans we like to complain about dumb shit

also there are likely some people who don't believe you're telling the truth about the earth rotating on its axis

I mean, nobody is saying we should change the axis tilt of the earth, the problem is that we arbitrarily change the time we have to get up in the morning twice per year

And to be perfectly honest, I never complained about this until I had kids

pets hate it too, fwiw

xp one of those times you can sleep longer?

yeah with kids it's tough but after a few years, i learned to put 'em to bed later in the fall, and it def. helps. i'm pretty militant about my own sleeping--make sure I get 7 hours a night--and i went to bed an hour later for almost two weeks and had no ill effects Sunday morning, and have slept like a baby the last two days.

Wait does gyac mean that complaining is uniquely American or that time changing is uniquely American?

I mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_time_in_Europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_country

It's gotten better now that my kids are older, but with young kids you are definitely not getting an extra hour of sleep. It just becomes this extra thing you need to consider in bedtime/early morning routines for a couple of weeks.

xxp

xp I obviously mean the complaining, idk how you could understand it the other way. Honestly it’s a total crank opinion here

I'm in the UK and hear people complain about it all the time - the suddenly dark evenings, the weird jetlag, the fuckery it plays with kids' body clocks.

Maybe it’s a thing if you’ve got kids, but I have never thought about it more than twice a year. I associate it with Peter Hitchens types.

Never heard of any complaints in the UK until literally Peter Hitchens would whine about it on twitter.

we briefly complain about it as a shared misery at work and among friends

maybe everyone's just always miserable elsewhere idk

Just really not that big of a deal

we should at least get cupcakes on daylight saving day

I will say that when I was in my teens/20s the fall time change was fun because it would generally fall on the weekend of my birthday (this was back when the time change was in October) and bars would stay open an hour more (because the time change was at 2am and closing time for bars here is 3am) which was fun at an age when I would regularly be out until closing time.

the extra hour of bar time was a tradition for sure

Here's my pettiest complaint: When the time change occurred in mid-October, my region of the country fell back from seeing the sun rise at 7:15 to 6:15. Now, a few weeks later, it goes from 7:30 to 6:30.

I get up around seven, leave the house at eight, all year 'round. That 15-minute difference is the difference between waking up in October to twilight or complete darkness. The difference between being able to flip the visor down as I get on the freeway to being completely blinded by a giant ball of hydrogen in my face.

I mean, I guess I could move to Nashville, but who has the time?

sorry if this is a dumb question but what’s the time change that occurred in mid-October?

Until 2006: DST from the first Sunday in April until the last Sunday in October

In the U.S.

Which is slightly confusing since other DST countries still observe the pre-2006 time changes.

Right now, there's a 15-hour difference between the Central Time Zone in the U.S. and Australia's Eastern Time Zone.

In the summer, it's a 17-hour difference because the U.S. jumps forward and Australia falls away.

But for a few weeks in March and a about a week or so in October... well, I don't know what the damn time difference is anywhere.

then there is this sort of joy

80 eastern Indiana counties are officially in the Eastern Time Zone
12 western Indiana counties are officially in the Central Time Zone

so regardless of dst they are always confused

At least they all jump and fall at the same time now.

Part of Florida is in Eastern time, part of Florida is in Central, part of Florida is in 1861

all of florida seems to be in the ocean lately

this wreaks havoc at work each year because we have colleagues in Panama and San Juan, Puerto Rico, both of whom do not observe DST. Panama is on Eastern Standard Time all year, San Juan is on Atlantic Standard Time all year.

we have a few classes that include both people from these locations, and people outside these locations. so right now San Juan is one hour ahead of Eastern Time, and Panama is the same as Eastern Time. After 3/12, San Juan will be equal to Eastern Time, and Panama will be one hour behind Eastern Time.

So this means these training classes will be the same time each week, but the people in San Juan and Panama will be coming in one hour earlier after 3/12, whereas the training time stays the same for everybody else.

just scrap this thing

xp I think all of Florida is in 1861 now.

Otm

I’m looking forward to it this year. One more hour of daylight in the evening is awesome

when will it end

• The National Sleep Foundation’s 2021 Sleep in America® Poll found that nearly three-quarters of Americans prefer a consistent year-round time system.

• The shift to Daylight Saving Time in the spring is associated with increases in motor vehicle crashes, cardiovascular morbidity, stroke, and hospital admissions.
A more nuanced discussion is necessary about whether the clocks should shift to permanent Daylight Saving Time (as proposed) or to permanent Standard Time (as preferred by sleep and circadian scientists, safety experts, and educators). It is easy to understand the appeal of having longer, brighter evenings. Permanent DST may seem like you get more hours per day of sunlight, but in reality, the plan just shifts total bright hours from when we need them in the morning to later in the afternoon. It is both less healthy and less safe to shift our daylight hours to the evening.

• Our circadian rhythms rely on bright natural light in the morning to wake us up and to synchronize important biological processes, with dimmer light in the evening to make us sleepy and ready for bed. Morning light resets the body’s biological clock and improves sleep quality and duration, bringing with it a range of physical and mental health benefits. In contrast, evening light suppresses the sleep-promoting hormone melatonin and pushes bedtimes later, reduces sleep duration, and leaves your body out of sync with the environmental clock.

• Later sunrises and sunsets are associated with shorter duration and worse quality sleep and more irregular sleep patterns. They are also associated with higher rates of obesity, depression, cardiovascular disease, and cancer. For example, a 2017 study showed that living on the west side compared to the east side of the same time zone is associated with increases in many types of cancer, including stomach, liver, prostate and non-Hodgkin lymphoma for men, and lung, breast, esophagus, and colorectum for women, and chronic lymphocytic leukemia for both genders (see Gu et al. article link below).

• Teenagers and others with night owl tendencies and people with work start times before 8 AM will be disproportionately affected.

• Morning light also improves safety, especially for school children who wait for their school buses in the dark. In fact, the United States experimented by switching to permanent DST in 1974 and quickly reverted to a bi-annual clock change later that same year because of the unpopular dark mornings and an increase in morning vehicular crashes and injuries. A recent study also found that later sunrises and sunsets that were misaligned from the sun being overhead at noon by more than 30 minutes were associated with 21.8% more fatal car crashes.
A consistent year-round time system is agreed upon by the National Sleep Foundation, American Academy of Sleep Medicine, National Safety Council and National Parent Teacher Association, and other leading sleep and science-based organizations. The conversation about clock changes is not about whether you want more or less sunshine in your day, but rather what time of day the sunshine is preferable. Science indicates that morning sunshine is best for the overall health and safety of the public, which is why these organizations agree that permanent Standard Time is a better fit for our circadian rhythms and the better choice for health and well-being.

• NSF ST Position Statement https://www.thensf.org/.../NSF-Position-on-Permanent...
• National Sleep Foundation’s 2021 Sleep in America® Poll Shows Gaps Between Public Sentiment and the Effects of Clock Change https://www.thensf.org/.../2021-Sleep-in-America-Poll...
• Gu et al. article on cancer rates by location within a time zone. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28450580/
• https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../daylight-saving-bill.../
When the US tried Permanent Daylight Saving Time in 1974
• https://www.washingtonian.com/.../the-us-tried-permanent.../
• American Academy of Sleep Medicine Statement: https://aasm.org/aasm-opposes-permanent-daylight-saving.../
• Sleep research society position statement: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36156090/
• Society for Research on Biological Rhythms Position Statement and Press Kit https://srbr.org/advocacy/daylight-saving-time-presskit/ https://journals.sagepub.com/.../10.1177/0748730419854197
• Sunrise time charts, educational material and videos and advocacy information at Savestandardtime.com

what, daylight time or that post?

lol

lol

Sleeping on the east side of the house, it's been nice having the sun wake me up instead of the alarm clock.

But now, I won't have that opportunity again for another six weeks.

(I'll try to remind myself it'll be for a good cause this summer when it starts getting bright at 5:30. "Could be 4:30," I'll tell myself.)

I've loved being able to read on my morning walks; I guess it'll be even brighter now? I forget.

darker

• Teenagers and others with night owl tendencies and people with work start times before 8 AM will be disproportionately affected.

cool let's all just ignore the extensively documented actual harm this does, and act like it's normal (it isn't)

sleeve otm, fyi