OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

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it's a middle-aged symphony to rum

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Thursday, 3 November 2022 19:45 (one year ago) link

tbf that actually sounds way better than a teen-aged symphony to god

rob, Thursday, 3 November 2022 19:47 (one year ago) link

this reads like someone who just ate at Olive Garden and didn't get enough parm

| (Latham Green), Thursday, 3 November 2022 19:54 (one year ago) link

the psychotic heavy hitting trainspotters on slsk who don’t let you download anything and shame you for existing >>>>> torrenters with perfect logs and optimal ratio

lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Thursday, 3 November 2022 19:59 (one year ago) link

let's just say they're all terrible people

wearing wraparounds (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 3 November 2022 20:04 (one year ago) link

Sault is a jam band
by which we measure five days
I'll say it again

budo jeru, Thursday, 3 November 2022 20:10 (one year ago) link

it's a middle-aged symphony to rum

Try to make ends meet

You're a slave to money and you're dumb

blissfully unawarewolf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 3 November 2022 20:30 (one year ago) link

The style of that New Yorker article was bleh and the guy is smug as fuck but when we do albums polls around here, losing myself in an artist does feel… good.

poppin' debussy (the table is the table), Saturday, 5 November 2022 02:25 (one year ago) link

that new yorker piece was written by a nerd

ofc observing an artistic process develop over the course of years-to-decades is incredibly rewarding and i do it all the time, i spend next to no time recounting the revolutionary recording techniques employed in the beatles revolver as if no one has ever heard of them before

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 November 2022 03:59 (one year ago) link

listening to an artist's entire discography is great because it allowed me to realize that the beatles are pretty neat

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 November 2022 04:01 (one year ago) link

I admit, I like to do a discography "deep dive" occasionally. Some are casual: I just listen to each album/single/EP in chronological order over the course of a month or so. For artists I'm really interested in exploring, I'll get a bit more elaborate. I'll read a biography, use Rock's Back Pages for contemporary articles on the current album I'm listening to, find a live concert for that era. For the latter, I tend to stretch out so I'm not exclusively listening to one band all the time. The latter approach I usually use for bands I loved at one time, but haven't heard in years, and want to see how I feel as an adult. I can see why this approach would be unappealing though; it's treating an artist like a school subject, to sit down and research and plan out rather than just throwing on a record and enjoying it. What can I say, though: I'm a big history buff, so it suits me.

I saw Pavement last month, and it really reinvigorated my interest in them. I'd loved S&E and CRCR in my early 20s but am unfamiliar with other albums, and know little of their b-sides etc. I've been doing their discography since then and it's rewarding to find "new" favorite tracks from a familiar artist.

blatherskite, Saturday, 5 November 2022 15:46 (one year ago) link

Deep dives are great, it’s just the writing in that piece that’s ridiculous.

Reese's Pisces Iscariot (morrisp), Saturday, 5 November 2022 15:55 (one year ago) link

Or thinking deep dives is interesting enough to warrant a New Yorker article!

insane oatmeal raisin cookie posse (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 5 November 2022 16:04 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

I get what the writer is trying to say with this review of the new Hammock; I'm mostly curious what language it was translated out of.

For those new to Hammock, they are a dynamic duo comprised of Marc Byrd and Andrew Thompson from Nashville. They already have quite a substantial catalogue behind them; twelve releases strong already infact. Their previous work has managed to get them noticed by big time pedlars of cinematic ‘dreamscape rock’ Sigur Rós, who have subsequently worked together.

Kicking the whole thing off with the aptly named track ‘Procession’, the band slowly make an entrance with a slow and steady build up. It is minimal and yet conveys everything they are about all at once. Delicately played guitar melodies softly grace the listeners ears. We are transported to their kingdom. It is gradual as if guided by hand through the gates into the domain of dream. By the time one has arrived the many layers of delicate guitar and subsequent echoes surround. There are no drums yet, which just creates the most beautifully subtle sensation of suspense.

What comes next? Their album title track and it is juicy. In come the drums (which alternate somewhere between the dream-popiness of Cigaretts for Sex and certain Mogwai works in their style), in comes the distortion, and agonizingly beautiful crescendos. The melodies are haunting and soft. The slow pace coupled with the title of the track create images of longing, one heart calling out into the emptiness for another. The overall arrangement of the album is sweeping and romantic. The production quality is so delicious it is almost edible. Everything sits perfectly in the mix.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 26 January 2023 10:23 (one year ago) link

that is the exact perfect reviewing style for that sort of music tbf

imago, Thursday, 26 January 2023 10:28 (one year ago) link

unperson, author is a woman from Bahrain, living in London. Her mother is apparently a soul singer.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Thursday, 26 January 2023 11:57 (one year ago) link

The nicely cooked pasta coupled with the unlimited breadsticks create images of longing, one heart calling out into the emptiness for another. Another breadstick.

is it milli vanilli or just a facsimile (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:02 (one year ago) link

really wish people would back off Marilyn Hagerty tbh

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:03 (one year ago) link

I believe Alfred is a true fan of Marilyn's.

Hammock rules and finding the best way to talk about them -- and they are truly underrated from where I sit -- is kinda hard.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:05 (one year ago) link

Jclc, you are a kind soul and your concern is warranted. But personally I don't see any meanness in the Haggerty discourse.

To me, ilx is processing its cultural anxieties in a very ilxian way. It often looks like savage mockery but I like to think it comes from a place of omnivorous curiosity and, ultimately, love. Love of the variety and complexity of contemporary existence.

Plus, breadsticks.

is it milli vanilli or just a facsimile (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:08 (one year ago) link

Feel free to justify Tonetta77-ing some local newspaper lady however you want

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:12 (one year ago) link

Hammock rules and finding the best way to talk about them -- and they are truly underrated from where I sit -- is kinda hard.

Agree about Hammock's musical merits, and my response to the review honestly was less "what moron wrote this shit?" than "why didn't someone edit this into a better version of itself?"

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:34 (one year ago) link

I'm now listening to and enjoying the heretofore unknown to me band Hammock so I guess it did its job

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:38 (one year ago) link

Where were all you Hammock fans hiding when we did the ambient poll?

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:44 (one year ago) link

napping obv

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 26 January 2023 16:53 (one year ago) link

I...post Hagerty reviews because her stuff does interest me.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 January 2023 17:01 (one year ago) link

Agree about Hammock’s musical merits, and my response to the review honestly was less “what moron wrote this shit?” than “why didn’t someone edit this into a better version of itself?”

My first response to reading it, being a subeditor (copy editor), was, “No one subbed this.”

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Thursday, 26 January 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link

Hammock show up a lot on ambient playlists in corporate environments, I've found, so I associate them with that— not a knock, necessarily, just an observation.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Thursday, 26 January 2023 18:09 (one year ago) link

Trippy. I just coincidentally had Hammock recommended to me.

Evan, Thursday, 26 January 2023 18:10 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

egads

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 4 March 2023 21:16 (one year ago) link

You can check out at any time you like
But you can't get the milk for free

jmm, Saturday, 4 March 2023 21:46 (one year ago) link

Jeff Mangum proves you do, in fact, need to buy the cow.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 4 March 2023 21:50 (one year ago) link

Hammock are pretty dull corporate ambient. I sort if think of it as AWVFTS but more chill tech company lounge vibe or fancy skin creme store vibe

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Sunday, 5 March 2023 01:48 (one year ago) link

This is horrible on its own, but it's even more horrible because of what it apparently represents. JazzTimes, formerly a pretty good magazine, is under new ownership and has dismissed its entire editorial staff, cancelled existing assignments, and apparently plans to go forward using j-school newcomers. So with that in mind, I give you JazzTimes' Wayne Shorter obituary (which was not written by a student, but by the magazine's new senior editor, a retired teacher(!) from Tallahassee):

Innovative, Enigmatic, and Inventive are all words that are used to describe this century’s visionary musician, Wayne Shorter. And these words are all true. But, when we look a little further into his compositional career, we come upon Emanon. Emanon – No Name spelled Backwards – is a 3 CD Album that includes a Graphic Novel by the same name.

‘Emanon,’ he says in a press release , ‘It hit me way Back then as a teenager: ‘No name’ means a whole lot. The connection with Emanon and artists and other heroes is the quest to find originality, which is probably the closest thing you can get to creation.’

At one point in an interview, he even says “At this point I’m looking to express eternity in composition.”

So we’ve lost a visionary whose music was a quest to form an expression of Eternity. We’ve been a part of a search for Creation and Eternity. So it’s no wonder the words like Innovative and Enigmatic are used to describe his work. But how do his intentions affect Jazz, or rather inform and instruct Jazz.

When you think about music, every music has a genre from which they may not escape. The waltz is not in search of anything other than that certain rhythm for dancing. The salsa is also contained in a particular format that makes it what it is. Jazz on the other hand depends on that “Quest.” That constant effort to be “original” and “creative.” And because Mr. Shorter was grounded in that Quest, his music rose above so many others efforts to compose. He was not in it for mastering a particular style, while style was important, but he was in it to change it, to use it to create something new, original and express Eternity. That effort changes the whole of Jazz for us, because heretofore, we may not have known what we were listening for or listening to. What were his markers of change.

If we review his career, we know that he started with Be Bop. His work with Art Blakey was “pace-setting.” But having mastered that he moved on to form his own group, Weather Report. During his stint with his group, his “quest” took him to Jazz Fusion. He’d go on to compose many jazz standards and refined modern Harmonic language. But at bottom, the Quest was the primary objective. The search for originality and creation were paramount on his mind and his compositions during this time in the 1970s point to his intentions. The average listeners knew there was something going on with his compositions but the actual goals that led to his intentions were not yet expressed in a fashion these listener could wrap their arms around. But, they were transported none the less.

Shorter understood clearly what JAZZ meant to musicians and the sophisticated listener. It meant a certain freedom. While the years during which these transformations took place offered very little freedom to the traditional music formats. Jazz offered a freedom that encouraged and confirmed and supported Innovation mentioned by so many. It wasn’t an accident that Jazz was the one art -followed soon by abstract art – that allowed for, indeed permitted freedom. With the country so focused on freedom and so willing to fight for it, Jazz was that one place that freedom and change and every creative avenue was encouraged. So when we see those “hep Cats” sitting around shoulder to shoulder with their cigarettes, coffee and black berets, they are soaking in the vibe of freedom and wondering how to Create that into a manifestation in their own lives. Mr. Shorter was the sound track, no, the example of what beautiful freedom can come from that quest. He led the way to show us all how we might break free from the constraints holding us. Mr. Shorter was more than a musician, he was a visionary who led the way for the rest of us and continued to do so for decades.

Now Mr. Shorter hadn’t just come lately to creating. At fifteen, he illustrated and wrote a Comic Book called Star Talk. He drew it in Blue Ink and added script in Blue Ink as well. Blue Ink. Who does that? His Characters, Men and women, headed to the moon where – upon landing – the main character ”Remembers that Spot.” That was in 1949. Wayne was also a High school Grad from the first fine Arts and Performance school in New Jersey. He was recruited for Painting, but was convinced to switch to the music side of the program. He started out with clarinet, but switched to Tenor Sax and took private lessons. He was a kid in a family who clearly saw his potential. He and his brother even started a group while in high school. Mr. Shorter would go on to graduate from NYU and he’d spend two years in the military at Fort Hood. He was married and had several children.

So many artists speak well of Him, and it shows how a legacy can indeed be an important part of ones memory of you.

Billy Harper said, “Wayne Shorter was a seeker, a herald of truth for the jazz community. Shorter was one of the longer expressions of truth in our music, carrying tons of creativity in his writing and playing. May he rest in Heavenly Music with Trane and Miles.”

Wallace Roney, Jr said “I am in shock, and distraught over the news of the great Wayne Shorter. He was, and still is, one of the fundamental reasons I fell in love with this music. His prolific brilliance and longevity as a composer provided me motivation when I was at my lowest points. His honesty Humanity and virtue as a saxophonist made me feel like I could trust every note he played. I was raised on his music. There wasn’t a time in my life where I didn’t know who Wayne Shorter was. He has been a central figure in my development as a musician and as a human being for as long as I can remember.

My sincerest, most heartfelt condolences go out to all his friends, family, and everyone whose lives he’s impacted both directly and indirectly. May he rest in Peace.”

Mr. Shorter has met his goals and intentions. His Quest to find Originality has been taken up by musicians all around the world and has allowed us, as listeners, a profound freedom as we listen to his compositions and realize that we are in the midst of a Creation experience.

May Jazz Bless You and Keep You, Mr. Shorter

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 00:03 (one year ago) link

Oh shit I subscribe to jazz times. Did madavor media sell it?

Alicia Silver Stone (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 00:41 (one year ago) link

Apparently, yeah. According to Wikipedia, "On February 15, 2023 Madavor Media was acquired by The BeBop Channel Corporation, a public company under the ticker symbol BBOP and headed up by jazz musician and interim CEO Gregory Charles Royal."

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 00:45 (one year ago) link

Is ChatGPT a retired teacher from Talahasee?

m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 01:09 (one year ago) link

ChatGPT probably knows better than to capitalize random words.

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 01:25 (one year ago) link

ChatGPT was an answer on Jeopardy tonight

the jazz bless you and keep you
the jazz make its face to shine upon you
and give you peace

The April issue I just got is only 56 pages, and may be the last issue with the old staff.

Alicia Silver Stone (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 02:19 (one year ago) link

I went to look at an article I'd bookmarked on the JazzTimes site earlier today, and was told that this was the first of three free articles...but they were treating each slide in their slideshow as one article, so I'd used up my free articles before I got to the slide I was looking for.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 02:22 (one year ago) link

I'm assuming the BeBop Channel Corporation is a CIA front

your original display name is still visible (Left), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 04:14 (one year ago) link

What the fuck, that is the worst obit I've ever read. My composition students could write better.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link

it shows how a legacy can indeed be an important part of ones memory of you.

INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link

I'm losing my Mind over this bizarre Jump Cut:

If we review his career, we know that he started with Be Bop. His work with Art Blakey was “pace-setting.” But having mastered that he moved on to form his own group, Weather Report. During his stint with his group, his “quest” took him to Jazz Fusion.

J. Sam, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link

Yeah, nothing really happening for ol' Wayne between 1964 and 1970...

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 18:25 (one year ago) link

lol

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 18:39 (one year ago) link


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