ANDOR aka Glum Village : its own thread

*when they CUT from bix

How long is the series. I assumed it would be either 8 or 10 episodes judging from other things. So is the next one season finale and filled with cliffhangers or are things working up to a temporary at least denouement.
We do know the eventual end anyway already unless that had a miraculous intercession or something.

12 eps for this season

and according to imdb, 12 episodes for the next :)

you're telling me I might have to work with CRIMINALS?!

the entire scene of Mon Mothma giving an impassioned speech only for someone to cut the mic of anyone agreeing with her followed by her continued reticence was some good character development (or lack thereof)

can't believe the Empire plays people the Tim Treadwell tapes from Grizzly Man--didn't Werner Herzog remind us to never listen to the tapes

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Meero is just the best. So believably compromised and desperate. Her expressions are a tour de force at times, just a flicker here and there which hint at what’s hidden.

She's great. Took a while to realize where I'd seen her, she had a small but good role in Under the Banner of Heaven. Very different show than Andor.

how is meero “compromised”? am i forgetting something? in many ways she seems like a successful version of syril - a true believer

Idk how she literally makes one muscle in her cheek twitch when she’s pissed at Syril but it was masterful.

Yeah that was an astounding moment.

i guess the show is called Andor so this can’t happen but it would be so sick if the show just continued right up to the events at the climax of Star Wars ep IV but from the non-Skywalker point of view

xxp Tracer I meant compromised as a human being

I have wondered if Jyn Erso will show up at some point. Maybe we can learn why she was arrested.

I recently rewatched ROGUE ONE from my enthusiasm for this show, and man she is bad for 70-80% of her screen time. The “Stardust” thing made me groan out loud a few times.

matkkkk gotcha

cosine rogue one cringe factor

ha rogue one is probably my fav star wars

i've love to see her again! i thought she was perfect "Star Wars"-typing

I’d be interested to see her in the lowkey gritty vibe of this show. There were flashes of excellence in RO but a much higher cheese quotient than here. (I will admit I loved the robot snark tho.)

RO is such a comfort movie for me at this point. Possibly the Star War I rewatch the most.

There is a lot to enjoy, the settings and the world building are gorgeous and it’s mercifully low on fan service.

the last hour is amazing

feel like I’m saying this every week but… it’s another incredible episode

Stellan Skarsgard and Andy Serkis. That is all.

This. Fucking. Show.

AAAHHHHHH!!

holy hell. television, eh?

that was just incredible. that was the most thrilling hour of SF i can remember having watched in a good long time. as good as the best expanse episodes. better? mon mothma looks fly as hell in her meeting with Dirk Skelton or whatever the “gentleman thug” financier guy’s name is. he lives up to his billing by the way. they really teased him last episode. would it suit me if he chewed the scenery a bit more? it would. it’s just a whiff of menace and violence to him rather than the whole bottle but it’s delicious nonetheless

the class and labor politics of this show are right out in plain sight and it’s fuckin rad!! the whole prison break was just.. i mean the heist was alright but this was next level in terms of ratcheting up the intensity. so many things came together. watching serkis come around is so gratifying. and hey even dave matthews lookin motherfucker gets to shoot a few guards. andor and serkis’ invasion of the central sanctum of the empire prison control room tense as fuuuuck. (absolutely incredible art direction for the on that btw). and you know what? a lot of dudes died. like a lot of dudes. it’s a massacre.

finally clocked that this is where the rebels get their colors?!?? this is why they wear orange and white in a new hope!! this prison break has to be one of the foundational events of the rebellion. they’re like “we are all those prisoners.” “if we can fight half as hard as we’ve been working we’ll be out in no time”

“axis” lookin like darth vader, talking about using the tools of the empire to defeat them, the ends justifying the means - the “dark side” one might say

fuckin a!

the choice that the banker offers mon mothma echoes the kind of choices skarsgard is talking about in his speech to the spy - and i think mothma’s so shaken up by it because she realises that there’s a version of her who makes that deal

The moment from Rogue One, which didn’t do a great job of selling the schism between those who already accepted that open, bloody rebellion was necessary and those that were still vacillating, had to be the departure of Admiral Raddus

An entire earlier scene where they were diplomatically debating whether they’d do this Scarif mission or if it was too much of a risk. Then, the rogues send a signal that they’ve got the goods and they’re stuck. I think it was Mon Mothma who was like “oh, we have to get word to Admiral Raddus!” and some is like, ma’am, Raddus left five minutes ago after we got the call

I was half expecting Skarsgard to reveal he's a sith lord, it's possible this may yet happen.

he does not speak in absolutes

Great but I don’t think it matches the expanse at its best if I have to compare. Luckily I can have them both!

i think mothma’s so shaken up by it because she realises that there’s a version of her who makes that deal

I think she still might? perhaps it’s why we don’t see her family again in other stories

I was wondering earlier if her daughter might be an Imperial spy, given the way she seemed to randomly show up in the middle of Mothma’s conversations with Tay, but maybe it was just setting up this subplot

i also rewatched Rogue One because of this show and am enjoying the callbacks and parallels

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omg great ep!!
also ahhh that final speech was so dope!
that was some tears in the rain shit. skarsgard killed that delivery ugh i love it.

Yeah the whole episode but Jesus H that scene. I was literally leaning forward for it. I even said out loud that might be the best scene as such in the past thirty years of everything/anything Star Wars and I might well stand by that.

my favorite thing about this show is that it doesn't just depict a violent rebellion. it advocates for violent rebellion.

and the "espionage will corrode your soul" b story was pretty good this week. not le carre good, but pretty good!

just an insane episode of tv. it takes in everything from that instantly legendary speech of luthen’s (in the most star wars-y, windswept, gantry shaft setting imaginable??) to the hoity toity doings of coruscant to the question of how long it will take to saw through a pipe

"Power doesn't panic"

that beautiful shot from above of the prisoners swimming away from the jailhouse that just happens to be shaped like the empire insignia

the three moons rising right after luthen's "I burn my life to make a sunrise that I know I'll never see"

the unimaginableness of freedom - when the other prisoners are told they’re free, that they should come and join and use what they can they don’t immediately do it, they’re wary, confused, can’t process it

And let's not forget "Can't swim" 💔

oh i mean.. just fucking perfect. his journey. the tragedy of it. but the success of it too. "the way i look at it, i'm already dead". andor has the fire. he finally fires up kino, but it's a process. it's more than just one moment of decision. that's the way with this show. things take a long time. the rebellion is a long fucking march. so many sacrifices. so many stories swallowed up in the larger violence. you have to stick with it. the water pipe. turning kino. andor's with him every step of the way. until that point.

i mean i know fanboys are gushing about this show all over twitter etc but fuck it, it's deserved this time

I just watched Rogue One for the second time--I never re-watched it after the first time because I don't like things that make me feel bad/sad but I had completely forgotten how good it is. Damn. It interlocks so well with Andor and makes me understand way more than I did before.

he finally fires up kino, but it's a process. it's more than just one moment of decision

Yessss, the long strategic process is telegraphed so well. Like one step is convincing Kino that no one is listening, that they're safe to communicate, breaking the hold of terror of the overseers. And the jailers unknowingly provide another step by fucking with peoples' "days remaining" because once that faint hope is gone, the prisoners have nothing to lose.

Tbh I thought the prison was in space, I've been reading a couple of books lately about prison worlds and I forgot they could get out of the jail onto a planet lol.

It wasn't entirely clear where it was or what they'd be able to do once they got to the top!

it seems silly unrealistic that nobody's listening but whatever. because that's a huge part of the terror of totalitarianism in my brain. i mean if robots are ai in that space, they don't have robots listening? starting to think this star wars thing is not very realistic etc.

Wow yes. I just rewatched it with my sci-fi indifferent older daughter who was absolutely gripped from ep 1. Is it even better than the 1977 movie? Certainly for an adult audience.

On a separate note I actually just saw Michael Clayton for the first time thanks to a one-off Alamo screening. And yeah, a lot more of the vibe tracks, if you will.

I recently showed my niece and nephew A New Hope and they kept laughing at how bad the VFX were, they couldn't take it seriously. I kept having to be like, "when I was a kid, this was mind-blowing". My nephew is even pretty into sci-fi but I guess it was too hard a sell for them - no interest in seeing Empire Strikes Back

I suspect they'd be way more into Mandalorian or Andor simply because they look better

Must be hard when you grow up watching movies with great special effects like, er, Ant-Man 3

Vinnie was it the "special edition" with the coating of "new" (now old) CGI applied?

the space battles get a lot better in rotj. i agree, i remember being very nonplussed as a 10 year old by how slowly the x-wings moved in ANH vs the x-wings that i flew in the pc game x-wing.

"new" (now old) CGI

shit, you're right. new special edition mk 2 needed stat!

well i've always said this, that since CGI gets better all the time once you go down this road of specializing old movies with new effects you kind of can't stop since those new effects will quickly start looking very bad, in fact far worse than if they'd been practical to begin with. the only winning move is to despecialize obv but in lieu of that yes, new special editions are needed!

Tracer, it was the special edition on Disney Plus. I don't think I was particularly bothered by the "new" CGI - it doesn't look great but many of the old VFX shots look pretty dated nowadays as well. I still enjoy all the other aspects of the movie, but I can see how it's a hard sell for younger people. My nephew and niece pointed out how bad any blaster scene was, with the shots going wildly off-target every time. And fair point to them

that lobster man in full

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FUCK

lol when we watched Andor my kids were stunned that stormtroopers actually got a few hits in