i’m for it
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 22:40 (one year ago) link
btw Bee Ok you should check the what are you reading thread as I am reading books about the WS winning giants dynasty atm and you might find some posts there of interest to you― after several days on “the milk,” (gyac)
― after several days on “the milk,” (gyac)
Thanks for pointing this out, I will go and find this thread.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 23:26 (one year ago) link
I just don't think Dusty Baker is going to win it all at this point. I witness his breakdown in 2002 tho not sure there was anything else he could have done. In 2012 his Reds team had the Giants on the ropes and he didn't manage it well at all, as they only needed one more win and never got it. Giants got past those Reds and then the Cards and then they went on to sweep the Tigers.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 23:29 (one year ago) link
I suffered through years of Bobby Cox, some managers just have a hurdle they can't get over (tbf, Bobby did get over once).
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 23:31 (one year ago) link
tbf i think a large part of being a good manager has less to do with particular bullpen deployments than keeping a bunch of millionaires happy and focused on playing hard. joe torre was . . . not a great bullpen manager (rip scott proctor's arm) but seemed to be pretty good at managing egos.
that said, managing in the playoffs -- especially now, when there are so many rounds -- is just a very different thing from managing a 162-game season. does andy reid now have a clock coach, just to keep him from doing stupid shit at the ends of halves? maybe dusty needs someone to point out to him that saving his 10-deep bullpen is less important, at this point in the season, than it would be in mid-may
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 23:42 (one year ago) link
Good points, I didn't think Bruce Bochy would be good in the playoffs but he always managed it so different from the 162. It was night and day, miss that guy but he even drove me crazy with his veterans deserve to play first mentality during the regular season. The front office in 2010 had to get rid of Molina before Botchy would play Posey in 2010 when he was called up.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 23:57 (one year ago) link
nola’s good huh
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 3 November 2022 00:34 (one year ago) link
Braves generally had an Achilles heel that the back of the bullpen was often subpar compared to the rest of the roster.
― earlnash, Thursday, 3 November 2022 00:47 (one year ago) link
He's on tonight
Xpost
― Bee OK, Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:22 (one year ago) link
Not anymore
― Michael F Gill, Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:49 (one year ago) link
That was hilarious, that chart with Vázquez's last 10 pitches--every one a four-seam fastball, all but one 93 m.p.h., the other one 92. Announcer: "...between 92 and 93 m.p.h."
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 November 2022 02:31 (one year ago) link
Houston 6 outs away from a no hitter
― frogbs, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:00 (one year ago) link
Amazing if the Phils go from that 7-0 hr derby to getting no hit.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:02 (one year ago) link
It’s like someone finally got the memo to throw the Phillies only fastballs instead of breaking balls, but it shouldn’t work *this* well
― Michael F Gill, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:04 (one year ago) link
Jesus. Three outs to go
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:06 (one year ago) link
2
― frogbs, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:23 (one year ago) link
1
― frogbs, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:29 (one year ago) link
No way
― Bee OK, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:29 (one year ago) link
Fun
Best of three
― Bee OK, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:30 (one year ago) link
only the 2nd in WS history? neat
― frogbs, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:30 (one year ago) link
Glad I saw most of it, but I just can't get excited about combined no-hitters. And I'm not at all saying they should have left Vázquez in--100 pitches, not even a question. It just doesn't mean anything to me.
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:31 (one year ago) link
I dunno. That was pretty crazy
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:33 (one year ago) link
If it goes 7, and Vázquez is rested (I know there's one day off in there), he's probably your starter.
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:33 (one year ago) link
blanking a team by committee that banged dingers a world series game prior is pretty impressive to me
― sknybrg, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:37 (one year ago) link
how is it not impressive that a world series team got no hits (in its own ballpark no less)
god knows i don't want to tell you what exactly to be excited about, but . . . it's a rare feat. and you seem to be shitting on it for purely petulant reasons
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:39 (one year ago) link
Here we go again...I'm saying I personally don't find it that exciting unless it's accomplished by one pitcher. The Phillies hitting all those home runs last night was impressive, but one guy hitting four would be more exciting and more impressive. And if everyone was so enthralled by tonight's game, I didn't see many posts. I'm going to take a wild guess that one guy taking a no-hitter into the ninth might have generated a few more.
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:42 (one year ago) link
Clemenza is just dreading the MLB.com headline tomorrow that says “Ohtani becomes first two-way player to watch a no-hitter in the World Series”
― Michael F Gill, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:42 (one year ago) link
Nice!
Don Larsen is part of baseball lore; will they be talking about the Javier/Montero/Pressly no-hitter in 2035, much less 2088? (I know, end of the world, etc.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:46 (one year ago) link
okay
i guess i just have no idea what about baseball even interests you, considering that no starters have thrown 400 innings in decades
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:49 (one year ago) link
why are you caring/watching at all?
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:50 (one year ago) link
Yes; caricature's the way to go.
Reggie hitting 3 HR in one game is possibly the greatest thing I've ever seen. Have teams combined for more than 3 HR in one WS game since then? Probably--who knows, and who cares.
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:51 (one year ago) link
You want me to agree with every last change in the game, with every bit of conventional wisdom as it exists in 2022, and if I don't, I'm Old Hoss Radbourn.
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:52 (one year ago) link
evidently you should just watch reggie on youtube, as nothing will ever measure up to it
jeez
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:54 (one year ago) link
nah I think Clem is right, no-hitters are a weird statistical anomaly and when they happen it's fun it's more fun for the player himself than the team. I mean you forever get to be the answer to some trivia question which is kinda the whole point of baseball. that said this was definitely cool to watch especially since non-combined no-hitters may not actually happen again
― frogbs, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:55 (one year ago) link
fwiw i don't want you to agree with every bit of conventional wisdom in 2022! but also i don't want you to be all like 'this particular circumstance, however rare, is inadequate'
you could have just been 'well, whatever' but instead you chose to challenge everyone else's idea of noteworthiness
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:58 (one year ago) link
as nothing will ever measure up to it
Right--it's not like I got caught up in Judge going for 62 or anything.
I think my first post after the game was exactly "well, whatever," and expressed very subjectively. I have no idea what you're talking about.
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 November 2022 03:59 (one year ago) link
"Glad I saw most of it, but I just can't get excited about combined no-hitters. And I'm not at all saying they should have left Vázquez in--100 pitches, not even a question. It just doesn't mean anything to me."
Please explain to me how that post is challenging "everyone else's idea of noteworthiness."
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:00 (one year ago) link
idk why having an opinion like "no-hitter by one pitcher > no-hitter by pitching staff" is controversial.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:00 (one year ago) link
anyway the astros won and dusty is a genius so this is all beside the point
until he starts mccullers in game seven
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:00 (one year ago) link
xp how many no-hitters, of any kind, have happened in the world series
why, upon one of the latter happening, would one immediately feel the need to denigrate it as 'uninteresting'
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:03 (one year ago) link
Do you understand the difference between expressing a personal opinion--"I just can't get excited," "It just doesn't mean anything to me"--and some blanket statement you seem to think I made and didn't about the game being "uninteresting"?
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:06 (one year ago) link
I mean, Jesus fuck, my first six words were "Glad I saw most of it..."
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:07 (one year ago) link
no hitters were already a team effort anyway
― ciderpress, Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:10 (one year ago) link
just ask pedro martinez who pitched 9 perfect innings and yet has not been credited for one
― ciderpress, Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:11 (one year ago) link
in this day of advanced metrics, # times through a lineup, reasonable bullpen management, etc. a combined no-hitter just doesn't have that shock to me. i think the narrative of the phillies belting 5 homers off a starting pitcher and then getting their asses handed to them the next game is a better story.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:12 (one year ago) link
obviously because you were waiting for a marginal hit to be called an error (j/k)
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:12 (one year ago) link
mmm tell me more about 'that shock' and 'better stories'
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:14 (one year ago) link
fuckin shams-level shit
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:15 (one year ago) link
i sincerely like clemenza; i just think he's wrong
gtfo with that bacon-flavored pap
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:29 (one year ago) link