U.S. Politics, November 2022: “I don’t know, you hear the same things I do”

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If he's indeed the last democratically-elected president of the U.S., it'd kind of look weird for him not to give a speech about the importance of democracy

Eric H., Wednesday, 2 November 2022 14:26 (one year ago) link

I'm all for a speech, I just lol at the mentality that thinks Joe Biden giving a speech is an answer to anything.

He could summon Merrick Garland to the Oval Office and punch him in the face.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 14:37 (one year ago) link

Newsom notably says in that interview that he's not running for President in 2024 and in fact isn't interested in the role.

akm, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 14:51 (one year ago) link

I'm all for a speech, I just lol at the mentality that thinks Joe Biden giving a speech is an answer to anything

Given that they refuse to do anything else, they pretty much just have signaling and symbology left. Plenty of Admin types still seem to be the kind of folks who think a rousing speech is all that’s necessary to close the deal

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 14:54 (one year ago) link

Newsom notably says in that interview that he's not running for President in 2024 and in fact isn't interested in the role.

If we assume the second isn't true (which I do) then there's no reason to think the first is true either. But obviously he's not going to declare unless/until Biden clears the way. Not that I think a Newsom run is a great idea or anything. Being firmly of the belief as I am that Biden should under no circumstances seek reelection, I'm still at a loss as to who should run.

lol

New: Monmouth U poll finds very little movement in PASen race post debate.
Fetterman: 48% "definitely" or "probably" support (same as early Oct)
Oz: 44% support (up 1 - though with more "definites" now)

4.5% MOE
All interviews done post debatehttps://t.co/BizaBpq8yf

— Jonathan Tamari (@JonathanTamari) November 2, 2022

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 15:59 (one year ago) link

The most misleading thing about that tweet is the Photoshopped graphic that makes Oz (6'1") and Fetterman (6'8") look like they're the same height.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:10 (one year ago) link

same moral height if you were

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:10 (one year ago) link

Oz looking more like an aging muppet

stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:15 (one year ago) link

I don't think Newsom can win the presidency, he'd have to be running against some extremely milquetoast republican, which is not the sort of person the GOP will ever nominate again. I more or less like Newsom, but the dude has a ton of negatives and has not ever been very good at optics.

akm, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:18 (one year ago) link

Plus, Biden ain't budging unless he croaks.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:20 (one year ago) link

the Democratic candidate for 2024 needs to be a wrestler. Biden will be primaried. the wrestler needs to be a new up and comer who arrives on the scene this year or early next.

and the wrestler will in exchange for his exposure promise to run on a progressive platform and also tape campaign ads in the middle of fights

because honestly I don't see how else we win, everything is backwards.

stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:21 (one year ago) link

Newsom notably says in that interview that he's not running for President in 2024

politicians lie about their presidential intentions almost universally.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:25 (one year ago) link

It's not completely up to Biden. Especially depending on the midterms, if they look as bad as they're likely to, he is vulnerable to a serious challenge. He's very primary-able already. But it would take somebody sufficiently threatening probably to make him seriously consider not running.

If the GOP does take the House, the rationale is even stronger for him to step down, because he would most likely be facing impeachment timed for early 2024. If the GOP has to try to impeach him AND fight off a different Democratic candidate for president, it at least opens up a second front.

Trump and Clinton proved impeachment is no impediment, though.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 16:45 (one year ago) link

I dunno, Trump lost. Not because of the impeachment but I don't think it helped him. But it's more the divided time and energy between campaigning and defending. Plus also the impetus for the GOP to seriously pursue impeachment goes way up if they get to impeach the guy they're also campaigning against, it makes it seamless.

yeah, that's highly debatable for both Trump and Clinton. Let's not forget how much Clinton was seen as a liability in the 2000 election.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:20 (one year ago) link

Let's not forget how much Clinton was seen painted as a liability by the press in the 2000 election.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:22 (one year ago) link

Al Gore absolutely treated Clinton like a liability in his campaign.

otoh, what exactly would Biden be impeached for? I'm not sure that republicans can pull it off without it looking like an utter sham. Even the Clinton impeachment had some questionable acts that it could be built around.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:22 (one year ago) link

hunter's laptop

comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:26 (one year ago) link

presumably that would be the focus, but so far the actual evidence against Hunter is extremely thin, and none of it links back to Joe

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:30 (one year ago) link

Here's the angle:

Is a 25th Amendment removal in Joe Biden’s future?
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3714038-is-a-25th-amendment-removal-in-joe-bidens-future/

(it's an op-ed)

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:35 (one year ago) link

Impeached for giving speeches about democracy

You can impeach a ham sandwich with the coming GOP majority. Most likely things are mental acuity, the Afghan withdrawal or something to do with Hunter. Or maybe the Russians will helpfully turn over some damning documents, who knows. Lots of things can go wrong between January and October of next year. Maybe they'll impeach him just for failure to comply with their blizzard of investigations.

Oh, the authoritarian vaccine mandates too.

So will this fucker ever be forced to resign? Sorry for linking to politio.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/02/trump-lawyers-saw-justice-thomas-as-only-chance-to-stop-2020-election-certification-00064592

ian, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 19:05 (one year ago) link

no

comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 19:12 (one year ago) link

Al Gore absolutely treated Clinton like a liability in his campaign.

Gore was right about the environment, broadly speaking, but in a whole lot of other ways he was a fucking dolt. I'm not saying he was the lesser of two evils or anything that insipid, but he should not have been the president of anyone's dreams and he shot himself in the dick multiple times while campaigning (Joe fucking Lieberman?).

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 19:16 (one year ago) link

JOEMENTUM, BAY-BEE

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 19:22 (one year ago) link

xp

I'm not claiming that Al Gore was right or that he ran a smart campaign

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 19:23 (one year ago) link

Newsom is about as loathsome and slimy a motherfucker that ever crawled out of San Francisco, and trust me when I say I’ve had some slimy times in the city by the Bay.

poppin' debussy (the table is the table), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 20:56 (one year ago) link

I more or less like Newsom, but the dude has a ton of negatives and has not ever been very good at optics.

he has and he hasn't? I mean, his performative gay marriages when he was mayor were very optically savvy. ... the bearskin rug photo with Kimberly Gargoyle was optically something, though time has changed those optics.

sarahell, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:00 (one year ago) link

but I also think he is probably very aware of the awkwardness of having been married to a woman who is now a right wing troll

sarahell, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:02 (one year ago) link

Afaic Newsom paved the way for Lee, and both allowed/forced the best city in the country for weirdos and freaks to be taken over by a bunch of soulless suburban yuppies who know how to code. Shameful shit, I wish the absolute worst on both (tho Lee is dead, I did a happy dance that day, hope he’s in an especially heinous ring of hell)

poppin' debussy (the table is the table), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:03 (one year ago) link

Actually, Willie Brown literally paved the way for Newsom, so ... like, wasn't Newsom originally a Willie Brown appointee to fill a vacant supervisor position? Or am I misremembering this?

sarahell, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:06 (one year ago) link

Probably not literally ;)

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:07 (one year ago) link

and going back, we can always blame Dianne Feinstein ... and uh, the creme de la creme of the SFPD, Dan White

sarahell, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:08 (one year ago) link

I would vote for Gavin Newsom over anyone I can imagine the Republicans putting up.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:09 (one year ago) link

xp - don't make me search through the SF Building Dept records to see if I can argue for "literally paving" ;)

sarahell, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:09 (one year ago) link

but I think the thing with Newsom as a presidential candidate is ... there are too many people from/associated with SF that loathe him and can sling mud ... like, leftists would sling it, and the right wing would repurpose it, and we all are aware of the "Democratic Party Direction" issues between leftists and moderates

sarahell, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:14 (one year ago) link

I remember when he ran against Matt Gonzales and all the SF Lefties painted Newsom as just to the right of Pinochet lol

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:30 (one year ago) link

re: newsom being bad at optics, i guess I'm thinking more recently. It was dumb for him to go to the French Laundry in the middle of the pandemic. Do I personally care? No. But it looked bad and was dumb. It was also dumb for him to send his kids to a school where they didn't mask. Do I personally give a fuck? no. But things like that 'look' terrible and shit like that bites you in the ass in ways that it shouldn't.

akm, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 21:51 (one year ago) link

Shall we?

Walker hits back at Obama: "Put my resume against his resume" https://t.co/9AlNMXQos1 pic.twitter.com/evZCY5B1xM

— The Hill (@thehill) November 2, 2022

Eric H., Wednesday, 2 November 2022 22:10 (one year ago) link

More champagne!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 22:13 (one year ago) link

What the fuck hahahahaha

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 22:15 (one year ago) link

xp Walker to Walker

Eric H., Wednesday, 2 November 2022 22:16 (one year ago) link

I don't know that much about Gavin Newsom, but I watched the 60 Minutes clip, and while I agree with what he said about Democrats needing to be more aggressive with their messaging strategy, he just seems kind of smarmy. That's just an immediate surface-level reaction, but I'm having trouble seeing him as the party's savior.

jaymc, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 22:16 (one year ago) link

Should there even be one

Eric H., Wednesday, 2 November 2022 22:19 (one year ago) link

Dan S, she’s literally an awful speaker. There are bits about it on left-leaning late night talk shows.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Thursday, 1 December 2022 02:18 (one year ago) link

I know you don't like her, she's a cop, but come on

Dan S, Thursday, 1 December 2022 02:24 (one year ago) link

"in the eyes of the right wing, as I know on Cuban radio, is the real power behind Joe Biden" holy shit do they really think this? if anything she is being underutilized and has less power than she probably should. she is a terrible public speaker though.

akm, Thursday, 1 December 2022 02:27 (one year ago) link

She's on the spectrum of okay vice presidents. We overrate the administrative ability/damage of these people cuz (a) Cheney (b) Cheney. As a speaker she was fine on the Senate Judicial Committee and often way better than that.

But this thread is not the audience for Kamala Harris.

"in the eyes of the right wing, as I know on Cuban radio, is the real power behind Joe Biden" holy shit do they really think this? i

yes because #Blackwoman.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2022 02:28 (one year ago) link

Because even in the cloacas of Cuban radio, no one hates Joe Biden. He's "el viejito," the Dems' Reagan but manipulated by la Pelosi y la Kamala

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2022 02:30 (one year ago) link

I am being totally serious: she is not a good speaker, and it’s not just right-wingers who believe this. Watch her address to Dems for 2022 on YouTube. Despite it being edited, it remains painful to watch.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Thursday, 1 December 2022 02:31 (one year ago) link

I mean, fine? Biden, Cheney, Gore, Quayle, Poppy, Mondale, Ford -- how far ya want me to go back? All horrible speakers as veeps.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2022 02:32 (one year ago) link

Mondale was a soporific that walked on two legs.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 1 December 2022 02:34 (one year ago) link

It’s never easy being the first, particularly when most of the people who voted you into office have an eye on the future and a hell of a lot of worry.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 1 December 2022 02:35 (one year ago) link

thank you

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2022 02:36 (one year ago) link

"I am being totally serious: she is not a good speaker, and it’s not just right-wingers who believe this"

I want to see your point of view but I still like her

Dan S, Thursday, 1 December 2022 03:02 (one year ago) link

US Politics December 2022: Get Sick on Your Own Time

She was tasked with stopping Hondurans from invading our borders, and she failed

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 1 December 2022 04:28 (one year ago) link

I find her voice a little dreary but I don't think she's that awful a speaker

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 1 December 2022 04:30 (one year ago) link

Her power over Hondurans was never sufficient to succeed in that task.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 1 December 2022 04:33 (one year ago) link

Fox making a dumb statement is funny enough, but considering Fox spent $1 billion on the World Cup TV rights makes this even funnier. https://t.co/m4noXAXMlx

— Aaron Grisham (@AGrisham247) November 30, 2022

"Soccer Needs To Be More Entertaining" for December Thread Title

She was tasked with stopping Hondurans from invading our borders, and she failed


Excuse me?

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Thursday, 1 December 2022 11:52 (one year ago) link

Please don’t tell me you’re being serious.

Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Thursday, 1 December 2022 11:53 (one year ago) link

“Excuse me?” is a quality December thread title but other possibilities are strong too

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 1 December 2022 12:07 (one year ago) link

"US Politics needs to be more entertaining"

DPRK in Cincinnati (WmC), Thursday, 1 December 2022 13:48 (one year ago) link

Or, "They're now the working class party, man."

Sherrod Brown dripping with sarcasm when asked if GOP senators will support paid leave for rail workers.

“They’re now the working class party, man. Marco Rubio’s a populist, they’re there man, they want help workers. They’re the Trotskyite party.”

— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) November 30, 2022

Maaaaaaaaaaaan

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 1 December 2022 14:44 (one year ago) link

i could see post-trump republicans running into some of the same shoals as the tories in the uk, where you’ve got a new coalition of working class votes that you’ve purchased with xenophobia and culture wars, but eventually these voters will ask where’s the beef

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 1 December 2022 14:48 (one year ago) link

December thread?

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2022 14:50 (one year ago) link

December 2022: Xenophobic working class warriors seek their beef

عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 December 2022 15:04 (one year ago) link

if that's the thread title, let's do it

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2022 15:28 (one year ago) link

I know Sherrod Brown is being sarcastic up there, but American political media and thus American political/electoral understanding is so deliberately terrible that even basic terminology doesn’t mean anything. They’re all words with various associated vibes that get tossed around, actual definition or context be damned

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:23 (one year ago) link


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