golden state warriors thread

it was caleb martin on the carry not gabe. and apparently a memo DID go out before the game haha

Steve Kerr & Draymond Green were both clearly irked by the short notice memo that the league emailed to NBA teams on Tuesday morning.

Jordan Poole was called for a "discontinued dribble" aka a carry, three separate times vs. the Heat. Caleb Martin was called for one once. pic.twitter.com/mcjPzj9hJQ

— Jason Dumas (@JDumasReports) November 2, 2022

The best lineups from each team so far this season ranked (min. 100 possessions). Notice anything 🧐 pic.twitter.com/HMGlUW7U4q

— Automatic (@AutomaticNba) November 2, 2022

The refs called three Carries on Poole I’ve never seen anything like it.

― Spottie, Wednesday, November 2, 2022 1:10 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

justice lol

they absolutely are carries and qualitatively different from the caleb martin one imo

hes easily the worst (best?) in the league as far as carrying the basketball none of the ones from last night were even his signature violation where he picks up the ball changes direction take multiple steps then puts it down again

i think he gets away with it cause hes so smooth refs like all cops are tuned to detect aberrant rhythms but he just looks normal so they dont notice it, like that blatant double dribble the other night, also they never call carries so of course someone always going to try to do it more

not nearly the worse ive seen him do but does have the basic elements of the poole carry, gets under the ball hesitates then takes it for a looping ride around his body, has more of a arcing path than most crossovers, tho again this one is pretty normal by nba standards and wouldnt look out of place if say ja did it

This was deemed illegal as Poole receives the ball with left hand & engages across his body for the crossover @bballbreakdown @NunnBetterRefs pic.twitter.com/kIVtLGmhvZ

— BBiomechanics (@BBiomechanics) November 2, 2022

i do think id be good if the league tightened this stuff up a little bit

For the first half century of hoops teams were taught not to dribble more than a couple of times at most before passing. Modern players having great 'handles' is a direct product of refs allowing their hand to slide further and further down the sides of the ball without calling a carry. Poole carried, but it only makes sense to call him on it if this becomes a league-wide standard call.

o saw CP got called for one last night too and he was pissed about it in the post game int. i think its a good thing to call the super blatant ones... as long as its consistent.

Me and @BoldyJames been Craig and Daday.

Look at us. pic.twitter.com/OdJmemM2oO

— CHUCK INGLISH said it. (@Chuckisdope) November 3, 2022

lol dray just there

wiseman -8 in 2 mins i dont understand how hes so bad. they cant keep playing him unless they want to dig themselves a huge hole to climb out of every game. might need to send him back down to the g league

nasty

Jordan Poole doing Herb Jones DIRTY off the ball sheesh pic.twitter.com/35GILyVd5j

— Joe Viray (@JoeVirayNBA) November 5, 2022

lol ok

Brandon Ingram doing Anthony Lamb DIRTY pic.twitter.com/fY2ZkEvLwQ

— Joe Viray (@JoeVirayNBA) November 5, 2022

grim stuff

Kerr said that while the Warriors try to clean up their defense and are operating with a smaller margin of error, they will rely more on two-way players Ty Jerome and Anthony Lamb - who Kerr says have a bit more experience - than their young trio of Moody, Kuminga and Wiseman.

— Kendra Andrews (@kendra__andrews) November 9, 2022

def thought ty jerome had a better chance of being out of the league at this point than getting meaningful minutes for the defending champs

Donte coming back this week will help big time and poole simply cant play any worse. so i think this will correct itself a bit but they for sure need some more veteran depth/presence for a long playoff run. meyers interview this week sounds like if things dont shape up they're ready to make moves

poole simply cant play any worse.

he doesn't have to and no one's asking him to. but that isn't the issue, is it?

No he’s not thee issue but his play is not helping and it’s showing the team he can’t run the second unit as the lead guy, at least not with this mix. He’s so much better as a starter next to curry so I bet they’ll mix those minutes a bit more

right time in the season to fuck around and see with the lineup i suppose; would still be shocked if the warriors ended up in the playins

nekias on wiseman
https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/a-james-wisemanwarriors-split-would-be-best-for-both-parties

Tangent:

we're all waiting on Jordan Poole to regain his form (53.5% True Shooting, 59.8% TS last season) and confidence

What if last year was a fluke and this is the real JP.

he had a lot of room to operate last year and was doing wild stuff, conditions not as favorable rn

klay was out he was cooking. but he also cooked in the playoffs in limited minutes. he had a cold spell last season as well. klay always does too. they'll both get better from here.

also the carrying calls are messing with him you can tell.

not being able to carry does make it harder

he should stop worrying about carrying the ball in his palm and think about carrying christ in his heart. just one person's opinion

lol i pray for our brother poole to see the light

A+ win tonight. Defense looked incredible and they got completely jobbed by the refs and still got a W. I haven’t been this angry at a reffing game in years lol. Getting a w despite that is the best feeling tho. Steph still the goat obv.

Steph Curry with the CLUTCH look-away triple for the tie! 😱pic.twitter.com/QwPCi4RFhM

— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPointsApp) November 12, 2022

poole was COOKING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBYkbp8ukTo

Is this a Dray starting rather than DLee situation where Poole should start over Klay ?

i dont think its gonna happen but its something to think about for sure, at least until klay gets to form (whatever the top end of his form is now)

Yes this needs to happen - I think it will by the end of the season if Klay doesn't improve on both ends of the floor significantly

Or ... and hear me out, Klay is traded. His contract is Westbrook levels bad if continues to play like this - he's slated to make over 40+ million next year. Drop him and a pick or three to a team and then resign Dray and have Poole start.

I know it feels like sacrilege to break up the Splash Bros but it's better now than end of next year.

if theyre going to make a trade they need to get better, moving a first to dump a contract is basically giving up on this team

Klays not going anywhere. He did enough in th playoffs to show he’s still impactful.

I could just see Klay not accepting a bench role and pouting, affecting performance. I could see them ditching him for maybe a decent veteran depth piece then. I do feel nostalgia might get in the way of winning with these guys.

Also Klay's pride has been almost blinding lately. If the team is better with Poole starting now, he needs to accept that ASAP and get over himself

starting poole prob isnt worth the drama, now giving poole some of klays minutes could be worth looking into

Only a matter of time: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35030343/warriors-james-wiseman-heads-g-league-extended-stint

hard to know with klay. hes never had the spotlight on him so even during his monthlong shooting slumps in the past or playing poorly in playoff games he usually escaped any scrutiny. but they arent winning right now and he keeps hoisting with no conscious. pretty much every other big player on the team has sacrificed or done something for the greater good of the team. i think it would be an easier sell than you think IF his poor play continues on into 2023. but who knows. hes earned enough good will to have a long rope and thats ok. where he is right now is where i thought hed be when he came back last season. so even if his max is what he showed in the playoffs/finals... its enough.

pooles gonna get his minutes regardless but he seems to be so much more aggressive playing as a starter. he might also need to suck it up and figure it out coming off the bench. also needs to get himself to a passable place on defense so he can be trusted at the end of games. klay is leagues beyond him in that regard even tho hes not what he was.

wiseman breakup is likely but the hope im sure is that he figures it out in the g league like poole did

also no one is leaving klay open and he still warps defenses with movement. thats still important even if he's not shooting his normal percentages atm.

Via @__adel11 (since I can’t rt) ….

Warriors since taking Wiseman out the rotation:
4 Games
4th in DefRTG
8th in OffRTG
2nd in NetRTG

3-1 record

— Andre (@OnBallSteph) November 15, 2022

oof lol

could have kept GPIII and traded Wiseman for picks

gp2 and prob otto too

idk who was taking wiseman for any kind of value, he’s often unavailable and doesn’t know how to play

Klay is the slumpiest great shooter of all time but a lot of wear on the tread now