Novelists No One Reads Anymore

We read him alongside Pope in an 18th century lit class.

Dryden obv has more name recognition but he's not much read/discussed, is he?

Nothing odd will do long. Sinkah's tweets will not last.

Thoroughly unpopular opinion, but I think Tom Wolfe's novels and the research within will have an audience a century from now.

I could see Bonfire being read as social portrait of the world Trump sprang from

Wouldn't it actually be rational to assume that most novelists are no longer read, and the ones who are extensively read are exceptional?

― the pinefox, Wednesday, September 28, 2022

re: predicting legacy while the writer is alive

I was looking at some lit journals from the 1870s and a critic was giving a run down of recent Russian publications. Anna Karenina had been coming out as a serial but was as yet unfinished by Tolstoy. The critic said something like "Even if Tolstoy dies before finishing the novel the existing portions are already great enough to ensure its permanent place in great literature."

"the only consolation which we have in reflecting upon [Wuthering Heights] is that it will never be generally read"

Got a little further into something by Tom Robbins which had no especially low or any point, was just twaddle.

Isn't this every Tom Robbins book though? I made it through Another Roadside Attraction but punched out early from Even Cowgirls Get The Blues and Still Life With Woodpecker. Distrustful hippies and boomers seem to have been the only ones reading him (of course my brother was a fan)

The adaptation of Even Cowgirls Get The Blues is one of the most chilling things I've ever experienced.

Details please.

My book club seems in sync with this thread. Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse-Five is the consensus choice for our next read.

I read it decades ago but don't remember anything about it.

I usually use audible or audiobooks to listen to the books we've selected. I'm very curious about James Franco's narration for this

Speaking of writers no one reads

S-5 is very much not a novel that nobody reads anymore.

meant to put him hear from another thread - laureate of Dartmoor, Eden Philpotts. Just looking at that reminds me - wasn’t The Red Redmaynes a Borges fiction choice? finding out brb.

here. not hear. i’m having a bad day.

and i misspelled his name. Phillpotts.

Eden Phillpotts (1862 -1960) was an English author. He was the author of many novels. Phillpotts was a friend of Agatha Christie, who was an admirer of his work and a regular visitor to his home. Jorge Luis Borges was another admirer. Borges mentioned him numerous times wrote at least two reviews of his novels, and included him in his "Personal Library," a collection of works selected to reflect his personal literary preferences.

according to some amazon/goodreads boilerplate.

fwiw he’s surprisingly good, v much in a Hardy plus “supernal immanent nature” mode.

"Hardy plus “supernal immanent nature” mode"

This description makes me think of John Cowper Powys. Has he been mentioned yet?

I just dmor and nope, no mention of Powys.

i almost mentioned Powys in relation to him. And as you say he, in fact all of them, are well qualified for this thread.

I might have to give Phillpots a go. Dartmoor + Borges is a mix too good to ignore.

Powys has a cult following, have two friends reading him right now

A Glastonbury Romance *is* magnificent, fwiw.

Believe Skot was a big Powys enthusiast as well.

I might have to give Phillpots a go. Dartmoor + Borges is a mix too good to ignore.

Found a bookshop, and a book that looked at all of Phillpotts's cycle, and had a great quote from The Mother that covered much of the route I'd taken the day before:

AFTER Walla has fallen from her fountains near the
cradle of her greater sister, Tavy, in midmost Moor,
she winds south-west and passes downward under Mis
Tor into the wooded glens beneath the Vixen. But,
before she leaves the waste, a bridge of grey stone spans
her growing stream, and road and river meet at right
angles. Down the great slope eastward this highway falls,
then upward climbs again under the triple crown of the
Staple Tors ; and just beyond the bridge, extended strag-
gling by the path, like a row of tired folk tramping home
after a revel, shall be seen the few cottages of Merivale.
Northward, separated from the village by moorland, and
its own surrounding fields, the farm of Stone Park
stands naked, treeless and solitary ; southward, where
Walla flows from the upland austerities into a gentler
domain of forest and arable land, there extend regions of
cultivation with their dwellings in the midst.

All round about upon this day, the stone monarchs of
the land thrust sombre heads upward into a stormy sky.
Beyond Great Mis Tor something of the central desolation
might be seen

Isn't this every Tom Robbins book though? I made it through Another Roadside Attraction but punched out early from Even Cowgirls Get The Blues

― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 11 December 2022 16:40 (yesterday) link

I once read an interview with him. Apparently your namesake Elvis Presley had one of those books in the bathroom where he, Presley, was found dead. Robbins took great pride in that, something like "The critics hate me, but I've got Elvis!"

B-b-but what about Willie?

I greatly enjoyed Still Life with Woodpecker when I was 13.

A lot of my friends and peers report that there is a very narrow window in which Robbins appeals. Very much a late-high-school/early college idea of profundity. There are some fun bits, and some cringy bits, and some things that are pretty unforgivable - whether it is a retrograde sexual politics or a corny-ass Rusted Root-style hippie vibe.

Robbins went to my college and wrote for its newspaper; I don't think I ever met or interviewed him but I did edit and publish a rather puffy profile that someone else wrote. Adolescent me thought parts of Jitterbug Perfume were enjoyable, and parts of Woodpecker, but I haven't the stomach to revisit those books.

I can dig that kind of landscape mysticism, Fizzles. Great photos, too.

Ominous, powerful, just another day at the office for Misty Tor (but not for me)

Thanks also to YMP for Robbins context: I prob should have tried him in the early 70s, not the late. Vonnegut was pretty good for late, though. Still curious about Altman's version of Even Cowgirls Get The Blues.

There was an Altman attempt to film it?? Not that it would have mattered...

Does anyone read anything by John Masefield other than The Box of Delights? Yesterday I learned that was the second book to feature Kay Harker, Abner Brown, and other characters, the first being The Midnight Folk. And he wrote at least twenty adult novels, some plays, and he was the poet laureate for nearly 40 years.

Have read The Midnight Folk though don’t remember much about it. A sort of Midsummer Nights Dream collection of characters and animals involved in a fight between good and evil? Something like that.

This is very Fizzles.

Borges likes any old anglo crap tbf.

brutal and fair

https://www.anthonyburgess.org/blog-posts/anthony-burgess-jorge-luis-borges-and-shakespeare/

I’m reading the Midnight Folk to my kid now. It’s part of NYRB Children’s Classics series

There was a movie of Even Cowgirls Get the Blues, but it was Gus Van Sant with Uma Thurman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Even_Cowgirls_Get_the_Blues_(film)

I may have tried to watch it - I honestly don't remember. With some exceptions, I generally don't enjoy movies based on books I like. Because films mostly don't film what I like about books (which is mostly sentences, by which I mean narrative prose).

This isn't (I hope) a stereotypical "OMG THEY CHANGED IT" objection. Just that movies tend have characters and dialog and stuff happening, so when a filmmaker goes to adapt a book, they gravitate toward the filmable elements. Like, characters saying and doing stuff. Stuff happening. Which can be fine, and an artwork in its own right. When I like a book, I sometimes like the movie of it - but usually for different reasons than I liked the book.

Usually when I like a book I like the sentences in it (the stuff that is not as filmable) rather than the stuff that happens in it (the stuff that is more filmable). Anthony Minghella made a decently successful movie called "The English Patient," for example. I saw it and thought it was okay. But literally nothing that I liked about Michael Ondaatje's novel The English Patient - one of my very favorite novels - appeared in the movie.

Robbins at his peak had a decently rich and ecstatic gonzo prose style. It does not translate to film. You can make a movie of the plot, sure, go ahead. But for me the action is in the prose.

I’m reading the Midnight Folk to my kid now. It’s part of NYRB Children’s Classics series

― The Beatles were the first to popularize wokeism (President Keyes), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 13:22 bookmarkflaglink

how correct was my iirc post, PK? I read it when I was staying at an airbnb near Denbigh while walking Offa's Dyke, in a bedroom full of children's books, with a view out across the Welsh landscape. In other words I remember the context quite vividly, but not the book itself.

Very Fizzles.

xxxpost Sounds good, YMP, thanks. Will give him another chance if I come across any more books.
Somewhere I acquired the mental image of Shelly Duvall in all-white rodeo/parade float gear, slso sporting giant thumbs, apparently congenital, perfect for hitchhiking---wiki:

...it was reported that she was to star as the lead in the film adaptation of Tom Robbins’s Even Cowgirls Get the Blues, which was to star Mick Jagger, Jerry Hall, Cindy Hall and Sissy Spacek'

Are Tom McGuane's novels good? The New Yorker recently published a short story that I thought could work better as a streaming etc. adaptation.

well, so far Kay is sneaking out at night with the toys his governess hid away from him and encountering beings who are searching for hidden gold.

So you're basically otm

Borges likes any old anglo crap tbf.
brutal and fair
- J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 12:34 bookmarkflaglink

I also like any old anglo crap, I should say. And I need to soften slightly, as his list contains a lot of wider ranging European and American literature. But he does have a love of an anglo form I'II hazily describe as 'romance, mystical-adjacent mystery, and the pastoral' all of which obviously blur into each other. The Three Impostors is an execrable book in many ways, Machen as the epigone of RLS, and TTI to The New Arabian Nights its poncif. but it does have something and that something is an ineluctable progress to the centre of a labyrinth of mystery - supernal or infernal - through pure randomness or standing entirely still. Absolutely no detection as such whatsoever. That is to say in London the mystery discovers you, in fact it must do, eventually, because it is an infinite city. None of this is exactly surprising with Borges, but like the other books in his list it does indicate one facet of his writing in a slightly different light.

Yeah, he took what he needed from pulp and so on---bringing me back to movies for a second: Sergio Leone talked about how this could work better than trying to adapt high-brow/more respectable/commercially and/or critically successful material, pointing out that Dr. Strangelove was built from Peter George's Red Alert, UK knock-off the US bestseller Fail-Safe, which was an extreme example of the Cold War "See, the System can work" subgenre.

Bringing it back to Borges, I mentioned his poking through true crime etc. re: A Universal History of Infamy on Borges translation?