World Series 2022 -- Houston Astros vs Philadelphia Phillies

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Gonna be 25 strikeouts tonight.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 00:29 (one year ago) link

Joe Davis is very good

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 01:06 (one year ago) link

Pretty damn impressive (Tucker, I mean).

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 01:13 (one year ago) link

Wow

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 01:25 (one year ago) link

Did this just really happen?

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 01:57 (one year ago) link

Phillies come all the way back

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 01:58 (one year ago) link

I thought this was over two innings ago. Verlander retires like 12 in a row and then sets about giving up a 5 run lead!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 29 October 2022 02:00 (one year ago) link

The Verlander curse

The Baker curse

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 02:03 (one year ago) link

Harper up with two on

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 02:51 (one year ago) link

Astros get out of that mess

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 03:00 (one year ago) link

you don't actually have to give us a play-by-play

mookieproof, Saturday, 29 October 2022 03:03 (one year ago) link

True, sorry

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 03:04 (one year ago) link

bee, i kinda appreciate the play by play you offer. feel free to continue

sknybrg, Saturday, 29 October 2022 04:01 (one year ago) link

Same

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 29 October 2022 04:11 (one year ago) link

Kyle Tucker has gotta be asking what else does he have to do.

Michael F Gill, Saturday, 29 October 2022 04:47 (one year ago) link

He wasn't all that far from catching Realmuto's HR...I was watching and somehow managed to drift off for a few seconds and missed Castellanos's catch.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 04:57 (one year ago) link

That was, as they say, a statement win.

But then again, game of inches ... Castellanos barely making the catch, Tucker barely missing his, and so on.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2022 06:31 (one year ago) link

Justin Verlander eh. Why the fuck did they leave him on for the 5th?

barry sito (gyac), Saturday, 29 October 2022 06:47 (one year ago) link

He hasn’t been good this post season (and has never been good in the WS) but his regular season numbers plus future hall of fame credential probably count for something in the way of trust.

Michael F Gill, Saturday, 29 October 2022 13:49 (one year ago) link

Even though I know you've got to have a quicker hook the nearer the end you are, it's almost a catch-22: the biggest reason Dusty Baker is successful as a manager is the respect his players have for him, and I think you'd damage that if you pull Verlander mid-inning in the 5th when you're still up 5-3.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 13:58 (one year ago) link

Surely if your pitcher shits the bed and gives up five runs to tie the game that puts pressure back on the batting order to get back that lead - which they obviously didn’t do.

barry sito (gyac), Saturday, 29 October 2022 14:03 (one year ago) link

i agree with gyac. Dusty’s sitting on the deepest pen in baseball, possibly the deepest pen in World Series history. everything was clicking for Verlander through three, and then all of a sudden it wasn’t, and he’s lucky the Phils only got 3. now you’ve got the top of the order coming back for the dreaded third time. i think it’s pretty cut and dried. you’re trying to win the World Series not a popularity contest.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 29 October 2022 14:38 (one year ago) link

It's a seven-game series--I'm inclined to wait and see. Verlander gave up a double, and that tied the game, then he got the next two outs. Tucker's second HR made it 5-0 with one out in the third; should Thomson have pulled Nola then? He didn't, Nola finished the inning, got through the 4th without a run, and got the first out in the 5th. So it's forgotten.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 15:14 (one year ago) link

what the Phillies did or didn’t do is irrelevant. you’re Dusty Baker and you’ve got the greatest bullpen ever assembled, your starter is handing out bases like they’re halloween candy and they haven’t even been around the order twice yet. in the 4th Verlander gave up three singles, a double and a walk. he just didn’t have it anymore. he started the fifth by surrendering a double. he then walked Schwarber. and STILL he stays in the game. crazy.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 29 October 2022 15:36 (one year ago) link

I mean this is just going by the book. you’re the one arguing in favour of an unorthodox “trust the guy” approach clemenza but usually people argue that when the by-the-book outcome DIDN’T come to pass. this time it did.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 29 October 2022 15:43 (one year ago) link

a harder decision would have been - this is the third time through the order but verlander’s only given up, say, a solo homer and a walk. do you leave him in, 5-1 in the fifth? probably.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 29 October 2022 15:44 (one year ago) link

Disagree with some of your characterizations there...but will step away from yet another epic argument.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 15:46 (one year ago) link

Sheehan:


Verlander retired the first ten batters of last night’s game. Right when I went to look up my note speculating on the possibility of a postseason no-hitter this year, one tied to Verlander, Rhys Hoskins lined a single to center. The next batter, J.T. Realmuto, hit a soft liner back to the mound, hitting Verlander right in the glove. Verlander, though, looking over to first for a possible double play -- he had Hoskins dead to rights off first base -- didn’t secure the ball. It popped out of his glove, and instead of two outs on a 1-3, the Astros got just one. It wasn’t an error, wasn’t an egregious bad play, but anyone who watched the ’06 Series felt the ghosts at that moment.

Maybe it wasn’t the supernatural, but you can divide Verlander’s night neatly before and after that play.

Before: 12 batters, 11 outs, one single, four strikeouts, no runs

After: 11 batters, four outs, three doubles, two singles, two walks, five runs

I predicted Verlander would go exactly 23 batters, but not like this.

Verlander threw so many bad breaking balls: a slider down and in, within the zone, to Harper for a single; a hanger to Alec Bohm for a double, another to J.T. Realmuto for the same. I didn’t understand his need to keep going to the breaking stuff. We’ve talked about this a lot this month: The Phillies hit breaking stuff and they don’t hit good velocity. Every time Verlander threw a breaking ball rather than a 97-mph fastball, he was giving the Phillies a gift. Verlander’s night was a failure of approach and a failure of execution.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 29 October 2022 15:54 (one year ago) link

I love the way baseball history connects across decades: 1) Realmuto's HR the first extra-inning HR by a catcher since Carlton Fisk in Game 6; 2) the first extra-inning walk-off HR to win a G1 since Dusty Rhodes (the other famous guy from the '54 WS).

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 16:20 (one year ago) link

I’m wondering who starts game 3 for the Phils. Seems weird to burn Suarez for 0.2 innings.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 29 October 2022 18:25 (one year ago) link

They're saying he can still go since he only threw 11 pitches

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 29 October 2022 18:44 (one year ago) link

It wasn't a walkoff HR though clem. First extra inning HR by a catcher since Fisk (and I think just the fourth of all time) is fun and interesting though.

Re:Verlander, in G7 of the 2003 ALCS (the Pedro-Grady Little game), Torre pulled Clemens in the fourth inning. There was speculation at the time that he was retiring and it was his final game. Didn't matter to Torre, Clemens was done. Bochy won three championships with the Giants by not being sentimental with his SP's. He had former CY winners like Zito, Peavy, and Lincecum and used a quick hook with them, reassigned them to the bullpen, whatever it took to win.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2022 20:08 (one year ago) link

You're right, it wasn't...they mentioned first-since-Dusty Rhodes last night; I must have botched the factoid.

Not to reopen this, but I would differentiate between a G7 and a G1.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 20:17 (one year ago) link

Just extra-inning HR in G1, not a walk-off:

Extra-inning HR in Game 1 of a World Series:

1946, Rudy York vs. Cardinals
1954, Dusty Rhodes vs. Indians
2022, JT Realmuto vs. Astros

— Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) October 29, 2022

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 20:19 (one year ago) link

fantastic bottom of the ninth in G1.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 29 October 2022 21:05 (one year ago) link

I hate these in-game dugout interviews.

Bee OK, Sunday, 30 October 2022 00:28 (one year ago) link

Houston's turn to get Dusted in the playoffs. They might rip off 4 games in a row and make it go away, but then again maybe not.

earlnash, Sunday, 30 October 2022 01:03 (one year ago) link

I think I have seen this movie before

Bee OK, Sunday, 30 October 2022 01:51 (one year ago) link

Bee, could’ve used some of your play by play just now. Wild top of the 8th

sknybrg, Sunday, 30 October 2022 03:06 (one year ago) link

G1- 4:34
G2- 3:18

Bee OK, Sunday, 30 October 2022 04:51 (one year ago) link

So according to ESPN, Syndergaard will be starting (opening?) tomorrow.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 30 October 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link

Really wanted a game tonight as a diversion from you-know-what. Disappointing.

clemenza, Monday, 31 October 2022 23:19 (one year ago) link

halloween? CUPE strike? elon musk? the certainty of death? lotta directions we could go here tbh

mookieproof, Monday, 31 October 2022 23:58 (one year ago) link

The first and most obvious, although "the certainty of death" is also a preoccupation.

clemenza, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 00:03 (one year ago) link

fair <3

mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 00:41 (one year ago) link

My mom was bummed. She said she waited in her car near the Citizens Bank parking lot in light rain until the call, then was able to beat the traffic back home, albeit in the forecast heavy rainy. Back tomorrow!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 01:08 (one year ago) link

your mom is smooth

and i mean that in a v. respectful way

mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 01:13 (one year ago) link

She's a trooper. Keeps score and everything.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 12:09 (one year ago) link

Just casually reminding everyone it’s ok to hate Justin Verlander because he plays golf with Trump.

btw Bee Ok you should check the what are you reading thread as I am reading books about the WS winning giants dynasty atm and you might find some posts there of interest to you

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 15:41 (one year ago) link

Considerate of Castellanos to inform everyone that there is one out.

Andy K, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 00:07 (one year ago) link

bothers me that espn resets all the individual stats for each series while mlb dot com shows cumulative playoff stats

espn is wrong, but i guess it's useful for mvp-ness

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:36 (one year ago) link

If he hadn’t already gone out, this would have been a great time for Nick Castellanos to have homered.

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:36 (one year ago) link

If it were just Pena with the bat, maybe Valdez, but Pena's been fantastic in the field, too. They still have to win.

(Not sure which broadcast I have on, but if you don't the same one, they just said there hasn't been a home team clinch the WS at home since 2013...that's kind of amazing.)

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:42 (one year ago) link

That was truly weird, about six different ways.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:57 (one year ago) link

fortunately for my aunt, the iggles are 8-0

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:17 (one year ago) link

I hate the astros

hrep (H.P), Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:18 (one year ago) link

congrats to Dusty and Dusty only

frogbs, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:20 (one year ago) link

Okay you won a real one, can you please fade from the spotlight now, there are other, much cooler less tainted teams that would like to play baseball well too

hrep (H.P), Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:20 (one year ago) link

Found it moving the way they surrounded Dusty in the dugout. I guess I've seen that before, but I don't remember.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:22 (one year ago) link

I picked Astros in 5, it took a extra game. Very happy for Dusty Baker.

Bee OK, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:22 (one year ago) link

Joe Davis > Joe Buck

Bee OK, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:25 (one year ago) link

fuck the haters, my Astros take another WS, wearing my Altuve jersey RN

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:28 (one year ago) link

Congrats f. hazel

Bee OK, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:33 (one year ago) link

f. hazel, you and me both :)

pena, mvp. right on.

sknybrg, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:35 (one year ago) link

Congrats sknybrg, I thought you would be a Mets fan

Bee OK, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:41 (one year ago) link

Between Ortiz shooting the fake money at him and the cameo by his wife, I know Verlander has endeared himself to ILB even more.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:55 (one year ago) link

Phillies offense stressed me out this entire series, never felt safe from them

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Sunday, 6 November 2022 04:51 (one year ago) link

they were like 3-for-420 with runners in scoring position tho

wonder how joe girardi feels tonight

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 November 2022 06:11 (one year ago) link

lol phils did very well given their shit unbalanced roster, late season streaks are real but they disappear as soon as they come

buzza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 09:46 (one year ago) link

Joe Davis > Joe Buck

I second this. Davis probably made more memorable calls in this postseason than Joe Buck did in the last 25 years.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 6 November 2022 10:25 (one year ago) link

Fun season

Didn't realize till last night that Pena's already 25. Late start for a rookie (for the obvious reason of Correa) that will probably come into play when he hits the free agent market down the road.

Like anything pertaining to old media, I doubt Sports Illustrated's Sportsperson of the Year is nearly as newsworthy as it was 20 years ago. (1998, McGwire and Sosa; 2001, Johnson and Schilling. Three of the four are pariahs now.) Still, I'd love to see Dusty Baker win it this year. Wasn't sure if they've ever given it to a coach, but I checked and they have, at least three times: John Wooden in 1972, Dean Smith in 1997, and Pat Summitt and Mike Krzyzewski in 2011. (They seem to have a thing about college basketball coaches.) If they do go with baseball, I suppose it'd be Judge; if the Yankees had won, for sure it's be Judge. I don't know if there is an obvious winner from some other sport this year.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 16:38 (one year ago) link

Totally forgot that it was Dusty Baker's son who almost got trampled at home in 2003.

https://www.mlb.com/news/darren-baker-celebrates-dad-dusty-s-world-series-victory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzV7x8WcR4g

clemenza, Thursday, 10 November 2022 13:41 (one year ago) link

That’s literally the first thing I think of when it comes to Baker. I had only recently started watching baseball again and I wondered who the idiot was that let a toddler on the field

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 10 November 2022 15:19 (one year ago) link

J.T. Snow ought to be in the HOF for that.

clemenza, Thursday, 10 November 2022 15:42 (one year ago) link


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