good role for Andy Serkis
the penal factory was all very THX 1138
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 27 October 2022 20:41 (one year ago) link
It sure was!
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 27 October 2022 21:08 (one year ago) link
Watching this i was very * in a crow t robot voice* “dialogue by david mamet”
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 01:21 (one year ago) link
the characters for once appear to be driven by human-level motivations - misplaced ambition, jealousy, laziness, spur-of-the-moment thoughtlessness. People actually talking like people, instead of just delivering exposition.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 01:49 (one year ago) link
I never found storm troopers scary in the originals, they looked slow and awkward in those white plastic suits. What was terrifying was the droid that almost chokes Cas out--how did they make the wrongness and un-human-ness of that badly proportioned robot SO CHILLING?!
The Ferrix wardribes--mwah. Skarsgard's outerwear in his off-planet buyer disguise, basically an American military parka as adopted by rebels everywhere--mwah! Everything being slate blue and orange--double mwah.
Skarsgard's failed negotiation with Forest Whitaker told us a lot about the precarity of the elements he's trying to bring together!! All crazy in their own way and each other's worst enemies...except for the Empire.
I really like it. Everything looks so good and not cheap or shoddy.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 01:59 (one year ago) link
I said out loud “I wonder what they’re making” and my kid said “parts for the Death Star”…
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, October 27, 2022 3:57 AM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink
YOOOOOO I was like THIS IS ALL PART OF THEIR WAR MACHINE.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 02:02 (one year ago) link
I was thinking TIE fighter parts, but Death Star makes more sense. I'm still holding to my assessment that this is 100% based on the discussion from Clerks about all the dead Death Star contractors in ROTJ.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 02:09 (one year ago) link
What was terrifying was the droid that almost chokes Cas out--how did they make the wrongness and un-human-ness of that badly proportioned robot SO CHILLING?!
I thought this bit was hilarious, because it deliberately makes you think of the same model Imperial droid that Cas owns (and reprogrammed) in Rogue One, except most definitely not as lovable or funny. kind of the opposite of the fan-servicey moments we usually get when we see a familiar character in these shows.
show needs more aliens though. what, no twi'leks or rodians in imperial prison?
― Roz, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 03:25 (one year ago) link
I hate Cyril's manipulative, grasping mom so much. I think that means she's a great character lol. You can really feel how growing up in her shadow, under her power, would mal-form you into something that would look unremarkable (family, loyalty, paying debts owed) but be so wrong inside.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 13:31 (one year ago) link
Happy Andor day everyone!
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 13:38 (one year ago) link
This was the least remarkable and possibly talkiest episode so far (!) and still quite tense in places.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 15:30 (one year ago) link
kind of breaks the whole 3 episode arc model, I was ready for some wild escape action
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 2 November 2022 18:12 (one year ago) link
Still a great episode though. Andy Serkis was excellent and guessing the escape action will all kick off next week
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 19:58 (one year ago) link
It's worth taking a few episodes to build up the escape. Loved the horrifying sound being described to Bix as something we ourselves are spared - and Cyril's Mom's expression when he told her he'd been promoted to name but two of many things.
― nashwan, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 22:52 (one year ago) link
Denise geogh smash me in the head w a hammer pls
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:05 (one year ago) link
this was really her episode. i thought she was extraordinary. performance of the series imo.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:16 (one year ago) link
She's so devious, but Mon Mothma has my heart, and it makes total sense that glammed up Vel is part of the family.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 3 November 2022 01:45 (one year ago) link
Good stuff once more.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:27 (one year ago) link
i love the way gough does that snarly-sneer at cyril while putting him in his place, she’s so awesomeand the sound editing when they from bix screaming into the drill in the prison workroom was ~chef’s kiss~ so goodcannot say how much i love the actress playing cyril’s mum, more insidious and unsettling than the manipulative-mum-stock-standard - even her tone is somewhat surprising. great episode
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:43 (one year ago) link
*when they CUT from bix
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 November 2022 04:52 (one year ago) link
How long is the series. I assumed it would be either 8 or 10 episodes judging from other things. So is the next one season finale and filled with cliffhangers or are things working up to a temporary at least denouement.We do know the eventual end anyway already unless that had a miraculous intercession or something.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 3 November 2022 05:31 (one year ago) link
12 eps for this season
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 November 2022 05:34 (one year ago) link
and according to imdb, 12 episodes for the next :)
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 3 November 2022 09:45 (one year ago) link
you're telling me I might have to work with CRIMINALS?!
― mh, Thursday, 3 November 2022 13:59 (one year ago) link
the entire scene of Mon Mothma giving an impassioned speech only for someone to cut the mic of anyone agreeing with her followed by her continued reticence was some good character development (or lack thereof)
― mh, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:01 (one year ago) link
can't believe the Empire plays people the Tim Treadwell tapes from Grizzly Man--didn't Werner Herzog remind us to never listen to the tapes
― a (waterface), Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:03 (one year ago) link
http://richardhoefer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/honestwithme-1024x573.png
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 3 November 2022 14:35 (one year ago) link
Meero is just the best. So believably compromised and desperate. Her expressions are a tour de force at times, just a flicker here and there which hint at what’s hidden.
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 5 November 2022 06:02 (one year ago) link
She's great. Took a while to realize where I'd seen her, she had a small but good role in Under the Banner of Heaven. Very different show than Andor.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 5 November 2022 12:32 (one year ago) link
how is meero “compromised”? am i forgetting something? in many ways she seems like a successful version of syril - a true believer
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 5 November 2022 17:05 (one year ago) link
Idk how she literally makes one muscle in her cheek twitch when she’s pissed at Syril but it was masterful.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 5 November 2022 17:22 (one year ago) link
Yeah that was an astounding moment.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 November 2022 17:43 (one year ago) link
i guess the show is called Andor so this can’t happen but it would be so sick if the show just continued right up to the events at the climax of Star Wars ep IV but from the non-Skywalker point of view
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 5 November 2022 18:02 (one year ago) link
xxp Tracer I meant compromised as a human being
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 5 November 2022 19:24 (one year ago) link
I have wondered if Jyn Erso will show up at some point. Maybe we can learn why she was arrested.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 5 November 2022 21:36 (one year ago) link
I recently rewatched ROGUE ONE from my enthusiasm for this show, and man she is bad for 70-80% of her screen time. The “Stardust” thing made me groan out loud a few times.
― assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 5 November 2022 21:57 (one year ago) link
matkkkk gotchacosine rogue one cringe factor
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 5 November 2022 22:14 (one year ago) link
ha rogue one is probably my fav star wars
― a (waterface), Monday, 7 November 2022 13:03 (one year ago) link
i've love to see her again! i thought she was perfect "Star Wars"-typing
― Nhex, Monday, 7 November 2022 13:43 (one year ago) link
I’d be interested to see her in the lowkey gritty vibe of this show. There were flashes of excellence in RO but a much higher cheese quotient than here. (I will admit I loved the robot snark tho.)
― assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 7 November 2022 13:49 (one year ago) link
RO is such a comfort movie for me at this point. Possibly the Star War I rewatch the most.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 8 November 2022 07:50 (one year ago) link
There is a lot to enjoy, the settings and the world building are gorgeous and it’s mercifully low on fan service.
― assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 8 November 2022 07:51 (one year ago) link
the last hour is amazing
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 8 November 2022 14:48 (one year ago) link
feel like I’m saying this every week but… it’s another incredible episode
― Roz, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 14:30 (one year ago) link
Stellan Skarsgard and Andy Serkis. That is all.
― Roz, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 14:35 (one year ago) link
This. Fucking. Show.
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 21:09 (one year ago) link
AAAHHHHHH!!
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 9 November 2022 21:58 (one year ago) link
holy hell. television, eh?
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 23:16 (one year ago) link
that was just incredible. that was the most thrilling hour of SF i can remember having watched in a good long time. as good as the best expanse episodes. better? mon mothma looks fly as hell in her meeting with Dirk Skelton or whatever the “gentleman thug” financier guy’s name is. he lives up to his billing by the way. they really teased him last episode. would it suit me if he chewed the scenery a bit more? it would. it’s just a whiff of menace and violence to him rather than the whole bottle but it’s delicious nonethelessthe class and labor politics of this show are right out in plain sight and it’s fuckin rad!! the whole prison break was just.. i mean the heist was alright but this was next level in terms of ratcheting up the intensity. so many things came together. watching serkis come around is so gratifying. and hey even dave matthews lookin motherfucker gets to shoot a few guards. andor and serkis’ invasion of the central sanctum of the empire prison control room tense as fuuuuck. (absolutely incredible art direction for the on that btw). and you know what? a lot of dudes died. like a lot of dudes. it’s a massacre.finally clocked that this is where the rebels get their colors?!?? this is why they wear orange and white in a new hope!! this prison break has to be one of the foundational events of the rebellion. they’re like “we are all those prisoners.” “if we can fight half as hard as we’ve been working we’ll be out in no time”“axis” lookin like darth vader, talking about using the tools of the empire to defeat them, the ends justifying the means - the “dark side” one might sayfuckin a!
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 23:28 (one year ago) link
the choice that the banker offers mon mothma echoes the kind of choices skarsgard is talking about in his speech to the spy - and i think mothma’s so shaken up by it because she realises that there’s a version of her who makes that deal
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 23:34 (one year ago) link
RETVRN
― mark s, Monday, 19 February 2024 10:33 (one month ago) link
luthen was darth plagueis all along
― memphis milano: the new trend of the 80s (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 19 February 2024 10:38 (one month ago) link
what i think is important when watching star wars with children is to make sure they understand when they’re wrong
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 February 2024 11:09 (one month ago) link
I think Luthen remains undecided on killing or recruiting Cassian right to the end as one of those two options MUST happen. In the end only going to Ferrix himself to see if he can encounter Cassian again and force a decision on it can enable that, but he has to keep Vel ready to kill him if it all goes south?
― nashwan, Monday, 19 February 2024 11:53 (one month ago) link
yeah that sounds about right. He’s a bit of a gambler isn’t he, despite his attention to detail. He doesn’t mind leaving things open, seeing where they go.
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 19 February 2024 13:28 (one month ago) link
Luthen's also subtly attempting to affirm his own beliefs and you see him waver a little in several episodes. Those grandiose speeches are as much for him as they are for his audience (and the viewing audience). He wants to be right about Cassian so bad
As for something more ephemeral: apparently there is exactly one party song that's popular during the run of the series thus far, and it's titled after the hottest beach planet-turned-imperial: Niamos!
So far we have:Niamos! (Morlana Club Mix) -- First episode, Cassian is at the club trying to find out if his sister was thereNiamos! (Coruscant Lounge Mix) -- Played at the party Mon Mothma is hosting in ep 7 where she's entertaining guests and talking about moving moneyNiamos! (Galaxy Mix) -- Played over the ending credits of ep 7 after the camera zooms out from Syril in his new insanely boring office cubicle, a distinctly un-party atmosphere
Niamos!
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 19 February 2024 15:43 (one month ago) link
here's a 10 minute loop version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9qnkCE0Hw
― dan selzer, Monday, 19 February 2024 16:08 (one month ago) link
keep music live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA8-6X8aR3o
― mark s, Monday, 19 February 2024 16:21 (one month ago) link
Some are rockists, some are poptimists, some are wailing jizzists.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 February 2024 16:24 (one month ago) link
iirc jizz has now been retconned to "jatz"... thanks disney :(
― 龜, Monday, 19 February 2024 17:04 (one month ago) link
Some are into skatplay, others are into jatzplay
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 February 2024 17:10 (one month ago) link
xxxxp I think that's just the section that was played in the episode looped. The official soundtrack available on streaming has a second section
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 19 February 2024 17:19 (one month ago) link
I was gonna say only on third watch of this did I notice Mothma's muzak was a tease of the same tune as the Niamos Grindcore banger.
― nashwan, Monday, 19 February 2024 18:14 (one month ago) link
Whenever you hear that party music, you know something terrible is going to happen!
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 19 February 2024 19:08 (one month ago) link
oh, I forgot to mention that the Galaxy Mix over the credits was an encore. The first time it appears in that episode is when Cassian is on the beach about to run some errands
the next two tracks are, depressingly:"Tourists Don't Run"and"Six Year Sentence"
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 19 February 2024 19:10 (one month ago) link
space-age music in dune: • bagpipes• throat-singing• chapman stick
― mark s, Monday, 19 February 2024 20:10 (one month ago) link
Fairly certain Chapman Stick's a character
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 00:05 (one month ago) link
Blu-ray set out next month with some extras:
https://gizmodo.com/andor-season-1-blu-ray-release-date-details-steelbook-1851308715/slides/5
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 16:48 (one month ago) link
Sweet!
― peace, man, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 18:55 (one month ago) link
Wow yes. I just rewatched it with my sci-fi indifferent older daughter who was absolutely gripped from ep 1. Is it even better than the 1977 movie? Certainly for an adult audience.
― assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 5 March 2024 20:01 (one month ago) link
On a separate note I actually just saw Michael Clayton for the first time thanks to a one-off Alamo screening. And yeah, a lot more of the vibe tracks, if you will.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 01:17 (one month ago) link
I recently showed my niece and nephew A New Hope and they kept laughing at how bad the VFX were, they couldn't take it seriously. I kept having to be like, "when I was a kid, this was mind-blowing". My nephew is even pretty into sci-fi but I guess it was too hard a sell for them - no interest in seeing Empire Strikes Back
I suspect they'd be way more into Mandalorian or Andor simply because they look better
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 11:15 (one month ago) link
Must be hard when you grow up watching movies with great special effects like, er, Ant-Man 3
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 11:23 (one month ago) link
Vinnie was it the "special edition" with the coating of "new" (now old) CGI applied?
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 11:26 (one month ago) link
the space battles get a lot better in rotj. i agree, i remember being very nonplussed as a 10 year old by how slowly the x-wings moved in ANH vs the x-wings that i flew in the pc game x-wing.
― 龜, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 11:31 (one month ago) link
"new" (now old) CGI
shit, you're right. new special edition mk 2 needed stat!
― gene besserit (ledge), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 11:39 (one month ago) link
well i've always said this, that since CGI gets better all the time once you go down this road of specializing old movies with new effects you kind of can't stop since those new effects will quickly start looking very bad, in fact far worse than if they'd been practical to begin with. the only winning move is to despecialize obv but in lieu of that yes, new special editions are needed!
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 11:42 (one month ago) link
Tracer, it was the special edition on Disney Plus. I don't think I was particularly bothered by the "new" CGI - it doesn't look great but many of the old VFX shots look pretty dated nowadays as well. I still enjoy all the other aspects of the movie, but I can see how it's a hard sell for younger people. My nephew and niece pointed out how bad any blaster scene was, with the shots going wildly off-target every time. And fair point to them
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 6 March 2024 13:21 (one month ago) link
that lobster man in full
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNmFiZjBjZmUtOTdkYS00YmU0LTlkMjItMjZiZTk1YWJlMjRkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMDYyODAzNQ@@._V1_.jpg
― memphis milano: the new trend of the 80s (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 13:50 (one month ago) link
FUCK
lol when we watched Andor my kids were stunned that stormtroopers actually got a few hits in
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 March 2024 14:03 (one month ago) link