Sigggggh, I love Philip Larkin...

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I may have missed something because am not really clear on why this comparison is being made - like, why are we comparing Larkin to Stevens instead of to Dylan Thomas or Sylvia Plath or Randall Jarrell or Audre Lorde or for that matter Adrienne Rich?

the floor is guava (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 19 October 2022 17:12 (one year ago) link

Because ILB poster Alfred, Lord S., above, stated that Stevens was like Larkin in writing poems that made statements and arguments.

No other reason.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 19 October 2022 17:39 (one year ago) link

Chinaski: I don't think Larkin's 'rise to transcendence' moments are the exception at all -- they're a standard feature of his work. I think that most full descriptions of what Larkin does would include this as a major weapon in his armoury, or option in his repertoire, or temptation to which he yields. I think he does it very well, but also that it might risk being routinised by its frequency.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 19 October 2022 17:42 (one year ago) link

Sure, isn't High Windows pretty much a textbook study in contrasts? Awkward cycle clips, religion, awkward cycle clips, transcendence, seriousness, death.

No one would remember it if it were just about bicycling and pants

the floor is guava (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 19 October 2022 18:02 (one year ago) link

That's a different poem. 'Church Going'.

'High Windows' is from about 20 years later.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 19 October 2022 18:33 (one year ago) link

Oh duh, sorry, serves me right for posting from work and away from the shelf

I will slink away into ignominy now

the floor is guava (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 19 October 2022 18:37 (one year ago) link

High Windows is about kids fucking

saigo no ice cream (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 October 2022 18:38 (one year ago) link

It is also name-checked by Jonatha Brooke on the uber-literary album by the Story, The Angel in the House, 1994ish

the floor is guava (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 19 October 2022 18:46 (one year ago) link

I finished THE NORTH SHIP, Larkin's 1945 collection. It would be fair to say: if you think you know Larkin (as most people do), but haven't read these poems (as some people haven't), then there is an aspect of Larkin you don't know.

the pinefox, Friday, 21 October 2022 09:27 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

A couple of years ago I read the Collected Poems of Larkin. Its a much more approachable volume than the Collected Poems of Wallace Stevens, which I also have. For one thing the poems tend to be short, and the obscure moments generally surrounded by relatable anecdotes from daily life. Also the generally dour and wistful mood carries you through - even if you don't understand everything you feel like you understand the feeling.

o. nate, Thursday, 10 November 2022 20:17 (one year ago) link

since this thread was bumped recently i got a copy (collected poems) and have been enjoying it immensely.

Arrivals, Departures

This town has docks where channel boats come sidling;
Tame water lanes, tall sheds, the traveller sees
(His bag of samples knocking at his knees),
And hears, still under slackened engines gliding,
His advent blurted to the morning shore.

And we, barely recalled from sleep there, sense
Arrivals lowing in a doleful distance –
Horny dilemmas at the gate once more.
Come and choose wrong, they cry, come and choose wrong;
And so we rise. At night again they sound,

Calling the traveller now, the outward bound:
O not for long, they cry, I not for long
And we are nudged from comfort, never knowing
How safely we may disregard their blowing,
Or if, this night, happiness too is going.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 10 November 2022 20:56 (one year ago) link

The first stanza's last line.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 November 2022 21:07 (one year ago) link

"Horny dilemmas" as a bashful allusion to sexual frustration seems typical.

o. nate, Thursday, 10 November 2022 21:42 (one year ago) link


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