The future of Stereolab

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I bought that deluxe ed digitally from Bleep and the track listing is
1 Brakhage 5:31
2 Miss Modular 4:29
3 The Flower Called Nowhere 5:15
4 Diagonals 5:15
5 Prisoner of Mars 4:22
6 Rainbo Conversation 4:46
7 Refractions in the Plastic Pulse 17:32
8 Parsec 5:35
9 Ticker-Tape of the Unconscious 4:46
10 Contronatura 9:04
(plus 11 more tracks)
so exactly the same at the original release, more or less - the vinyl must differ?

assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 6 October 2022 01:39 (one year ago) link

The show in Minneapolis had absolutely atrocious sound as well which I considered posting in this thread like 5 times but figured there would be no one to commiserate.


Well if someone wants to indulge a brief rant about it, here goes:

I’m used to bad sound in crummy Boston venues with low ceilings and sticky floors. This wasn’t that at all. Roadrunner is relatively new and has great sound. The opener, Fievel is Glauque, had not only sounded terrific but did so with an almost identical lineup and aesthetic – five piece band, French singer, Soft Machine-y jazz, organ/synths (they also had a sax/flute player).

We were standing right behind the lighting and sound people. And the second Stereolab went on, the sound was like 30% louder, muddy and distorted.

The music wasn’t just hard to hear – it was physically unpleasant. I could feel the snare drum hits for some songs in my body cavity (which makes no sense for songs inspired by the likes of Martin Denny). Any time the keyboardist played his electric piano sound, L’s vox became distorted and hard to hear.

I looked over at the sound person, who was different than whoever was running sound for the opener, and this person spent like the first 40 min. frantically pushing buttons and turning knobs on the mixing board, talking to other people and stress vaping. I imagine that they were unfamiliar with the digital board. But having run live sound myself many times, it’s not a normal thing to be rapidly doing anything at the mixing board. Unless there’s some sort of emergency. Eventually this person seemed to give up.

At any rate, that rant wasn’t really brief I guess but it kind of spoiled the experience for my friend and me, and we ended up splitting early. I’m sorry to hear it’s been that way for others. The group played a pretty spirited set and the lineup was tight. They deserve someone running the board who can get that across.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 6 October 2022 02:09 (one year ago) link

Sounds like something technical went way off the rails. If it's a digital board, could it be that they had levels saved from soundcheck that failed to load correctly?

Everything sounded completely normal and clear at the show I went to.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 6 October 2022 02:40 (one year ago) link

I didn't notice any sound issues standing up front in Boston. Frankly, I was just closing my eyes and losing myself in the music. Observations:

Tim & Laetitia stood as far apart as possible. I forget if that's any different than the old days.

The bassist fellow took over Mary's backing vocals and did very well!

The drumming was OK but not as powerful as the material needed.

Favorite tracks were "UHF", "Mountain", a way too short "Jenny O" and the amazing encore surprise of "Simple Headphone Mind".

Not a great deal of stage presence, L's simple dance moves were really endearing though.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 6 October 2022 13:15 (one year ago) link

The couple of times I saw Stereolab pre-break Tim stood in the middle of the band surrounded by everyone else basically. So yeah, different from those times for sure.

grandavis, Thursday, 6 October 2022 13:54 (one year ago) link

I saw the Minneapolis show too and also found the sound unpleasant but wondered if it were somehow mixed for earplugs (which I forgot to bring; the music sounded better when I yawned, though). I appreciate hearing that it wasn’t just me.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Thursday, 6 October 2022 14:15 (one year ago) link

Huh. Sound was perfectly fine in SF and the mixer there, who I gather was the tour mixer, is an acquaintance of a musician friend, Sarah Hennies, who was thrilled to note she was doing that job. Strange!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 October 2022 14:54 (one year ago) link

Yes, that's who it was in Boston. Sounds from her CV like she is super experienced musician/composer. Maybe they're dependent on whatever board the venue provides, I dunno. But hopefully they clean it up as the tour goes on. Not everyone wants to press themselves up against the stage like Gerald McBoing Boing!

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 6 October 2022 17:20 (one year ago) link

So I listened to side 4 of the dots & loops expanded edition and the first song was definitely Parsec. Don't really know about track length changes though.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 7 October 2022 01:03 (one year ago) link

wtf

let me post what I have

sleeve, Friday, 7 October 2022 15:14 (one year ago) link

here is the first minute or so of what begins my side 4 and purports to be "Parsec"

https://soundcloud.com/sleeve-the-dj/untitled?si=69f892dfeea846be90505ebb60bc5c54

sleeve, Friday, 7 October 2022 18:11 (one year ago) link

oops that got removed, Moodles I will ILXmail you

sleeve, Friday, 7 October 2022 18:22 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

So, decided to do a little Stereolab review project...but not about Stereolab specifically:

https://theshfl.com/guide/the-stereolab-halo

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 November 2022 16:24 (one year ago) link

awesome

dan selzer, Monday, 21 November 2022 17:44 (one year ago) link

I haven’t had a chance to really dig in, but great concept - there’s so much to mine just outside of the official Stereolab canon.

The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 21 November 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link

Really is and I surprised even myself -- a ton of things I had no idea existed.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 November 2022 17:48 (one year ago) link

Lots of great albums on that list

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 21 November 2022 18:29 (one year ago) link

Looks great. Richard Harrison played bass with the 'lab though, not drums/percussion.

Position Position, Monday, 21 November 2022 18:33 (one year ago) link

Hm, must have misread something! Will correct.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 November 2022 19:06 (one year ago) link

also it seems to mention 2002 in the first para? surely that's 2022?

sleeve, Monday, 21 November 2022 19:52 (one year ago) link

i love copyediting

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 November 2022 19:58 (one year ago) link

Great piece Ned, lots of stuff I hadn't known about at all. Curious to check out that Ghost Power, had no idea!

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 November 2022 19:59 (one year ago) link

Wow, nice article! I have about half of those, but it has inspired me to dig deeper - thank you!!
One minor thing (this is extremely nit-picky) - I thought Laetitia's singing debut with McCarthy was earlier than *Banking...*
Just did a little Googling, and this page says the *Get a Knife Between Your Teeth* EP is from April 1990 (on which Laetitia is credited), but this page says *Banking...* came out in August 1990.

ernestp, Monday, 21 November 2022 20:11 (one year ago) link

IIRC the recent reissue boxset credit her with being on the At War EP. from 1989 and even the earlier Should the Bible Be Banned EP but it feels like an error.

Either way, by Enraged, they were starting to experiment more and showing the seeds of Stereolab.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb2ENkP7t4M

everything, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 00:07 (one year ago) link

I will keep that in mind re McCarthy -- I've kept updating poor Caleb at Shfl all my glitches today so maybe down the road! But thanks all for the corrections, and of course the kind words.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 00:16 (one year ago) link

Any idea what they're ending with on their current tour, assuming they're playing the same-ish set? "Contact"?

djh, Monday, 28 November 2022 18:54 (one year ago) link

Super-Electric when I saw them in Sept. Encored with Simple Headphone Mind and French Disko iirc.

everything, Monday, 28 November 2022 20:31 (one year ago) link

Ta, everything.

It's a bit of a blur but I think they ended their main set with Super Electric and then played three songs as an encore. Tim looked really into Super Electric and the last song of the encore. Refractions in the Plastic Pulse was particularly good.

djh, Monday, 28 November 2022 20:45 (one year ago) link

Ta, everything.

It's a bit of a blur but I think they ended their main set with Super Electric and then played three songs as an encore. Tim looked really into Super Electric and the last song of the encore. Refractions in the Plastic Pulse was particularly good.

djh, Monday, 28 November 2022 20:45 (one year ago) link

^ Not sure how that happened. Sorry.

djh, Monday, 28 November 2022 20:46 (one year ago) link

Apparently the last song of the encore was Excursions into oh-ah-oh.

everything, Monday, 28 November 2022 20:56 (one year ago) link

scored used copies of the reissues of ETK and D&L at the local shop. someone must've bought them new and returned them right away, cuz I noticed they were missing from the shelf lol

crazy how good Dots & Loops is. obviously this is no secret to anyone on ilxor.com but for some reason it never clicked with me back in the day.

dig those demos on Side F too. reminds me of the discussion we were having on the Police thread re: "songwriting". for example "Les Yper Sound" is cute in demo form but everything I love about that track is in the production. though I must say a stripped back Stereolab still sounds really good!

frogbs, Friday, 2 December 2022 19:53 (one year ago) link

the demos have been a big revelation & my favorite thing about the reissues. a whole new way to enjoy stereolab

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Friday, 2 December 2022 21:04 (one year ago) link

Yeah, for a band whose sound is as texturally deep as Stereolab, the demos are amazing in how they retain the pure essence of the song.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 2 December 2022 21:38 (one year ago) link

Would be cool to have a comp of just the demos. I prefer the early rougher sound of Transmissions and Bachelor Pad, and feel like something was lost as their albums got more polished. That may be why I tend to go to Electrelane or some other band when I’m craving a VU inspired drone rock fix.

o. nate, Saturday, 3 December 2022 23:26 (one year ago) link

Sorry, Transient not Transmissions. Don’t know where that came from.

o. nate, Saturday, 3 December 2022 23:29 (one year ago) link

Dots and Loops isn’t necessarily my favorite, but it fits into my middle-aged life better than the others. It’s the one I’m most likely to reach for.

Cow_Art, Sunday, 4 December 2022 03:36 (one year ago) link

I can't bring myself to sell my original CD copy of Simple Headphone Mind in the shiny metallic sleeve even though it's also on the latest Switched On compilation.

ilxor, Sunday, 4 December 2022 03:49 (one year ago) link

Sell it? That's the kind of thing I'd want to be buried with.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 4 December 2022 04:07 (one year ago) link

Weird - convinced that Stereolab had announced their retirement last night but can't see anything about it (Likely scenarios: 1 - dreamt this, 2 - read something while drunk).

djh, Sunday, 11 December 2022 16:55 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

Does anyone know what the song "The Free Design" is about? To my knowledge, the phrase only existed as the name of the 60s sunshine pop band, but in the song, Lætitia Sadier seems to parlay this phrase into a deeper concept. I'll post the lyrics here, in case anyone can figure it out:

Where it had been left hundreds of years ago?
Extract from the depth is but a setting sun
Paradise is scarce in this light that won't shine
What is our earthly task but a worthy design?

Some held it in sight for scattered it may have been
They're ready to fight in a priceless inkling
The request is here ready to resurrect
What else can we do but recover the project
Our earthly design can be so detached
What crushes our desire not to be trapped?
When the higher spheres tell us to and not to
Everyone agrees demanding more veto
Our earthly design can we be so detached
What crushes our desire not to be trapped?

Publicradio (3×5), Sunday, 9 July 2023 04:56 (nine months ago) link

Socialism bruh

lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Sunday, 9 July 2023 07:35 (nine months ago) link

The backing tracks get working titles, sometimes they change to reflect the lyrics, but usually not.

Mark G, Sunday, 9 July 2023 13:14 (nine months ago) link

Well, she doesn't actually say "The Free Design" in the song. And as much as Lætitia Sadier was a doctrinaire socialist, this song doesn't seem to have socialist themes to me, at all.

Publicradio (3×5), Sunday, 9 July 2023 15:01 (nine months ago) link

Despite having heard that song hundreds of times and owning the Cobra CD with lyric sheet since it came out, I still thought "Paradise is scarce" was "Paradise is chaos", "Our earthly design" was "Or a free design", and "When the higher spheres" was "When the highest fears".

Guess I need to sit down with that lyric sheet and figure out what else I've been mishearing for the last two decades...

"The Free Design" is pretty cryptic but to me it seems to deal with a desire freedom from oppression of some sort (religious? governmental?)

J. Sam, Sunday, 9 July 2023 18:29 (nine months ago) link

What crushes our desire not to be trapped?

Capitalism, imo.

Deflatormouse, Sunday, 9 July 2023 19:11 (nine months ago) link

xp yeah, I'd always thought of "Free Design" as one of the rare Stereolab songs where the title shows up in the lyrics, but I guess not! Drawing a blank now -- are there ANY actual examples of this in their catalog?

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Monday, 10 July 2023 19:14 (nine months ago) link

"The Seeming And The Meaning"

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Monday, 10 July 2023 19:39 (nine months ago) link

^Yes. A few more of their earlier songs come to mind: "Super Falling Star," "Orgiastic," "Doubt," "Changer," "Laisser-Faire," "Des étoiles électroniques." Seems like they stopped doing it after '94 or so.

J. Sam, Monday, 10 July 2023 19:45 (nine months ago) link

Also "Brigitte"

J. Sam, Monday, 10 July 2023 19:48 (nine months ago) link


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