Rolling Teenpop 2006 Thread

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Cause you had a bad day
You're taking one down
You sing a sad song just to turn it around
You say you don't know
You tell me don't lie
You work at a smile and you go for a ride
You had a bad day
The camera don't lie
You're coming back down and you really don't mind
You had a bad day
You had a bad day


That sing-songy brainless piano plinking and sing-songy brainless melody coupled with YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU chorus is irritating beyond words.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Saturday, 22 April 2006 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link

This is what happens when coffee companies stop paying for original jingles.

ant@work.com, Saturday, 22 April 2006 00:26 (eighteen years ago) link

The only saving grace of that song is that the video clip gives the blonde chick wot used to be in The O.C. something to do. The song itself sounds like a parody of itself, like the singer is actually sending up the entire notion of having a bad day (is it? Am I underestimating the songwriter?)

I dunno Don, I think Ashlee is saying "we're both broken (damaged, not heartbroken), but you want someone unbroken (maybe because you can't handle your own brokenness). Whereas because I know that I'm broken I'm willing to accept that dealing with your brokenness is the only way I could make this arrangement work. You disagree, so this relationship isn't gonna work."

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 22 April 2006 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Wrapped up in this is the belief that the notion of a "fairweather friend" being a bad thing holds doubly true for relationships: that it's only by understanding someone in all their complexity and difficulty (rather than some seemingly unblemished pedestal perfection) that you can make love really meaningful.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 22 April 2006 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Sort of similar to the lyrics for "Unperfectly" by Ani DiFranco, 1992:

I crashed your pickup track
then I had to drive it back home
I was crying I was so scared
of what you would do
of what you would say
but you just started laughing
so I just started laughing along
saying it looks a little rough
but it runs o.k.
it looks a little rough
but it runs good anyway

we get a little further from perfection
each year on the road
I think it's called character
I think that's just the way it goes
but it's better to be dusty than polished
like some store window mannequin
won't you touch me where I'm rusty
let me stain your hands
touch me where I'm rusty, let me...

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 22 April 2006 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

This is what happens when coffee companies stop paying for original jingles.

Not for long...enter The Lovemarks!

Saatchi & Saatchi is touting a manufactured girl band, created by the agency, as its latest ad weapon in the battle to reach young consumers.

Marketers will be able to hire the as-yet-unnamed group to promote their brands in their songs, their clothing and what they eat and drink.

(More at Poptimists). (xpost)

nameom (nameom), Saturday, 22 April 2006 00:36 (eighteen years ago) link

(1) Several days ago I played the first track on the Johanna Stahley and liked it so much I was ready to make a pitch to Chuck. Tashpop with teenpop beats? I'll have to give that more thought. More rock 'n' roll pizzazz than the Tashbed, I'd say (and I feel relatively positive towards the Tashbed, who, as I've been saying, has been embraced by the teens, albeit in the 30s in plays per week (like Ashlee's "L.O.V.E.") rather than the 70s (like Aly & AJ's "Rush"); and she's on that Nickelodeon compilation too). Stahley's promo sheet says, "Putting a positive spin on missteps and broken relationships is the message threaded through I'm Not Perfect."

It's also the message threaded through I Am Me, is it not?

(2) I got Tori Amos's Scarlet's Walk (2002) from the library last Saturday; haven't had time to listen to it enough, but so far I like it far more than I'd expected. It seems far more pop than I remember her being (I used to cringe when people played her for me); is this because she's moved closer to pop, or because pop moved closer to her? I've not been taking in the lyrics, not because I've been avoiding them, just because she's been in the background and they haven't broken through. In any event, there are songs on here that aren't so different from the opening to "Rush," though unlike Aly & AJ she doesn't take them through to the teenrush of a wailing chorus.

So are the girlpoppers effecting a change in my taste?

I mean, Tori Amos???

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 22 April 2006 03:17 (eighteen years ago) link

is this because she's moved closer to pop, or because pop moved closer to her?

I imagine it's both...a friend of mine made this same observation a week or so ago. She doesn't listen to the radio and dislikes most teen pop, and she thought that Tori Amos was going more "mainstream" in her some of her later albums (I wouldn't know, never really listened to Tori Amos all that much). I forget which album we were listening to. But then how many teen poppers cite Tori Amos as a major influence? Is the ratio the same as a high school drama dept's worth of aspiring singers?

nameom (nameom), Saturday, 22 April 2006 03:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Scarlet's Walk isn't necessarily more pop than Tori's other stuff, but it's certainly less idiosyncratic and more deliberately pleasant. I sort of think of it as her attempt to make a classic rock road album, like she'd been listening to some Fleetwood Mac and Joni Mitchell and maybe some early Elton John while she was out on the road, and just really enjoyed the sense of comfort the music exuded. I like it as an album, but not as much as her earlier stuff - that comfort and, um, generally well-shaped classicism of it all comes at the expense of some of her more gonzo-inspired shards of brilliance on earlier albums. There was a discussion on this recently where Jody Beth Rosen had some really good points.

Ashlee et. al. certainly still sound closer her first album Little Earthquakes, which I actually really could imagine sounding quite different after a heavy dose of current confessional teenpop. Some young aspiring girlpopper should definitely cover "Girl" from that album. But more generally I think we might see girlpoppers move toward that territory when they get to the third album stage and wanna "prove themselves creatively". Relevant factoid: Alanis Morrissette claimed in an interview that when she first heard Little Earthquakes she lay on her floor and cried all day.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 22 April 2006 03:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Autobiography ends like I Am Me on a relationship that's not working. The song, "Undiscovered," starts:

"Take it back, take it all back now/The things I gave, like the taste of my kiss on your lips/I miss that now."

So by the third line she's taking back the taking back. She misses him. She wants him back. Once again, she's telling a story in abstractions, and once again it feels like a fullbodied story anyway. The chorus goes:

"All the things left undiscovered/Leave me waiting and left to wonder/I need you/Yeah I need you/Don't walk away."

What a profound way to lament a relationship: "All the things left undiscovered."

And then there's the ending, which is a whole new melody, sung in the same slow steps Tim described in "Say Goodbye," but many more - I wish I could convey her singing, the slow emphasis she gives everything, first a steady tread on her husky register:

"'Cause I can't fake/And I can't hate/But it's my heart/That's 'bout to break/You're all I need/I'm on my knees/Watch me bleed/Would you listen please"

Then repetitive little cries as her voice lifts.

"I give in/I breathe out/I want you/There's no doubt/I freak out/I'm left out/Without you/I'm without/I cross out/I can't doubt/I cry out/I reach out/Don't walk away, don't walk away, don't walk away, don't walk away"

A couple of interesting facts about this song: (1) Background vocals are credited to Ashlee Simpson alone; unlike the other tracks, no Kara or John augmenting her. (2) Songwriters are Ashlee Simpson and John Shanks. No Kara.

So, a question I'm kind of posing myself - who or what am I loving when I love Ashlee? - well, this doesn't necessarily eliminate Kara (who's at least as good-looking as Ashlee, and she's only 17 years younger than I rather than 31, and she says on her Myspace page she's single and straight)... This is an artistic creation here, this Ashlee, no matter how few or how many hands are in on it. But still, try and find an equal creation from Kara or John when Ashlee's not in the room.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 22 April 2006 04:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I do need to point out that the first few times I heard "The taste of my kiss on your lips" it sounded like "the taste of Marcus on your lips." In fact, when I'm not really paying attention, that's how I still hear it.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 22 April 2006 04:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Doe sthe new Damone single qualify?

I love it to death. It's like the Matrix guys doing Judas Preist with a refreshingly non-breathy girl voice on top.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Saturday, 22 April 2006 04:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Everything counts, Ian, the poppers and the rockers all interbreeding these days.

Back to "Undiscovered": Good guitar playing from John, too. A gentle drone, a note shifts while the others stay put, but it's insistent, like the song itself.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 22 April 2006 04:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Tori used to do alll these EPs, frequently weird covers; maybe she finally heard Cat Power do the same thing on albums, and decided to do something straighter for a moment, like Courtney doing Celebrity Skin, or the artsos lightening up in sidetrips, like Postal Service and New Pornographers: "a solo album from myself," as Beck put it. I doubt she's through with her true Calling. Never heard her second, reportedly artier album, Folklore (though seemed to get gen favorable, if unintriguing, reviews, like in Voice), but Nelly F's going back to pop, upping the ante with Timbaland, Pharell Williams, Neptunes, Scott Storch, reggaeton, etc.(I know yall know this, but it cheers me up to write it down.)

don, Saturday, 22 April 2006 05:09 (eighteen years ago) link

(Thanks for the explanation and Ani lyric, Tim. I usually like her, and she has some pop appeal she's usually got way down in some other stuff, to lure us in I guess. Did a really good version of "Wishin' And Hopin'.")

don, Saturday, 22 April 2006 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Has anyone here heard the Furtado?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 22 April 2006 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link

(I wrote about Ani's cover of "Wishin' And Hopin'" in the latest issue of Why Music Sucks.)I meant to hitum for a promo; doesn't it come out in May? We probably still could.

don, Saturday, 22 April 2006 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"(Thanks for the explanation and Ani lyric, Tim. I usually like her, and she has some pop appeal she's usually got way down in some other stuff, to lure us in I guess. Did a really good version of "Wishin' And Hopin'.") "

I actually brought up the Ani lyric partly because I reckon I could make a mean compilation of earlier Ani stuff that would sound like an underproduced version of a lot of stuff here. Back on the covers tip, something like "Anyday" would make a great ballad for a girlpopper (I love this phrase Frank!) to do. In some ways becoming so obsessive about Ashlee has put me back in touch with my partially repressed fem-singer-songwriter adolescence.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 22 April 2006 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link

"Love Makes the World Go Round," on the first Ashlee: Another one that I'd not felt at all upon first listen and that then jumped me later on, and now seems quintessentially Ashlee. It's Jimmy Draper's favorite. Another love affair that's not working. There's a great moment, the song being soft and sensitive, and Ashlee singing, "Hold on it's tragic/Stumbling through all this static," and they treat the voice on the word "static" so it fuzzes out of focus, and power guitars roar in. This is feistier, less the lament than "Say Goodbye" or "Undiscovered." The title is equivocally ironic. "I'm the one who's crawling on the ground/When you say love makes the world go round." But then at the end she goes "I say love makes the world go round." I think it means that she's ready to love people other than this guy.

Songwriting credits: Ashlee Simpson and John Shanks. Once again, no Kara.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 22 April 2006 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Frank, with Scarlet's Walk: try listening to "Your Cloud" and Ashlee's "Say Goodbye" back to back.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 22 April 2006 07:52 (eighteen years ago) link

here is what i posted a little while back about johanna stahley on the country thread (ps: i am still alive and well, and usually not all that sad, either. before long i'll probably start showing up on this board again more. if nothing else, i'll have more time to post, yikes):

Anyway. Johanna Stahley's *I'm Not Perfect* (she's from NYC, I think) is a better Sheryl Crow album than the last Sheryl Crow album. Sounds more like when Sheryl liked beats, back in her "Leaving Las Vegas" days. First song is called "My Big O (I Can)," and, judging from the album cover photo, may well be about the singer's Big O and the achieving of it thereof. Also, she imitates Steve Tyler in it. Another highlight is the one where Johanna falls for a bartender. And even the songs with sorta dreary words don't sound like they do.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 18th, 2006.
What makes Johanna Stanley's CD so boppy, I figured out, is how her bassist and drummer play full-on late '60s bubblegum soul beats in three straight songs in the middle -- "The Bartender Song," "What You're Doing," and "Misery," the latter of which doesn't sound miserable at all. Tapdancey alley-cat rhythm of "I'm Not Perfect" (a Rickie Lee or Norah Jones move?) and George Michael Diddleybeats of "Nothing I Would Change" are nice, too.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 18th, 2006.

xhuxk, Saturday, 22 April 2006 12:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the zany vocals-mixed-hard-right stuff on The Bartender.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to report at the library today I got the recent Ani DiFranco album, called Knuckle Down, and the Alanis Morissette collection, called The Collection. I hope you all appreciate my dedication to my craft.

(I, however, did not get the Switchfoot. I picked it up, looked at it, but could not make myself take it.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 23 April 2006 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to report that at the library... (the report wasn't at the library; the CDs were).

I need an editor.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 23 April 2006 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I do appreciate it, but have not heard Knuckle Down, so assume no responsiblity if it makes you puke. (Of course, if you puke and/or post after Track 1, as is your want and/or wont, just keep a-goin'.)Was just now listening to Johana again before I read that, and at first thinking I'd low-rated her later tracks, but now thinking I do still like the arrangements better, though prob exaggerated the amount of multitracked vocals. For those who dig thee vintage teenpop (and with astute speculation on why Sandie never made it in the USA, by my and Frank's and xxhuxx's old mate RRRRiegel): http://www.sandieshaw.com/forum

don, Sunday, 23 April 2006 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Brie Larson (http://www.myspace.com/brielarsonmusic) answers questions from her fans (this is a longer selection than nameom posted above):

Q: 1. why are you so spectacular? 2. can you buy a private jet and save me from florida? I think the elderly people are coming to get me.

A: 1.) i took classes from lindsay lohan. but they involved drugs and drinking, so I failed. 2.) if I had a hammer, i'd hammer in the morning, i'd hammer in the eve'nin, all over this land.

Q: Are you excited about turning 17 this year?

A: i'm more excited about not turning 16.

Q: Where do you get the inspiration to be a song-writer and by being an artist (design)?

A: i dont get inspiration. I dont really know why I write about certain things, or why I dont write about certain things. I dont really "write" about anything. its all pish posh.

Q: So first of all i would like to ask. will you come to my house and disco with me and my brother in the nude? Secondly. being serious and all. WHEN. and i mean it. are you my dear, going to come to england.

A: I was in England yesterday! didnt you know? I was dressed as ringo star and I yelled things like "NAY NAY NAY"

Q: will you sing happy birthday to me on friday? i'll be 19.

A: happy birthday Mr.president.

Q: Okay. i've got three questions. 1. do you have any pets? If so, what are there and what are their names? 2. Have you ever watched Veronica Mars? If not, you should. 3. Have you ever traveled overseas? if so, whats your fave place you've been and why? p.s. Do you love it?

A: (uno) yes. simon's dawgs. and unicorn. (something) i lost my remote (tres) i was riding on the mayflower, when I thought I spotted some land.

brie!!!!!!!! will you come and chill with captain nicnic in hard rock cafe london and bathe in baked beans? you know you wanna

A: YES YES YES.

Q: what is your fav. sport and why??

A: is that a trick question?

Q: have you ever wondered what your life would be like without the music, the movies, and the fans?

A: yes. and then I remember that I would live the same life.

Q: 1. What is the best Bob Dylan CD? 2. Have you seen Transamerica? 3. Do you think Reese Witherspoon should have got best actress?

A: 1.) my favorite is Highway 61 revisted. but they are all amazing. 2.) nope. 3.) i thought she did win? am i going out of my mind? I saw walk the line the day it came out, at midnight. LOVE IT.

Q: yes, she did win...my question is do you think she deserved it or should someone else have got it. =]

Q: what is ur biggest wish??? :)

A: to be a character at disneyland. mostly Ariel.

Q: if you could live in any decade which decade would you choose?

A: SIMPLE. the 60s. no doubt.

Q: Do you remember going to a school called Pioneer Middle in South Florida to talk about you're movie Hoot (April 3rd)?

A: PIONEER MIDDLE SCHOOL GIVES A HOOT. i hope cookies and cream/salt and pepper have been feed lots of cheetos and crickets.

Q: Where'd you get your networking skills?

A: from many years of working in the netting industry.

Q: Do you want to go see the musical Wicked with me.

A: can I be in the musical?

Q: What event from your life would make the best cartoon scene? Pirates: cool or overrated?

A: once I chased a road runner. i tried to drop an anvil on her head. but it fell on me instead. i think that would work great as a cartoon. the best part was that I was dressed as a coyote! how random right?! right. pirates are overreated. I AM THE WARRIOR.

Q: How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? Why is the sky blue?

A: those are highly controversial question. mostly ones I cannot answer. but I will say this. "is it safe to say C'mon C'mon? was it right to leave? c'mon c'mon. will I ever learn? c'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon"

Q: you were in my dream. i'm hungry. lets go get pizza.

A: I have a question. I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH YOU AND NOT ONCE DID YOU MENTION THAT I WAS IN YOUR DREAM. what the frick. that damned lip ring is giving you brain damage.

Q: do you like mooses? that is a weird word. mooses.

A: i once owned a bear that wore a dragon costume, named moose. so. to answer your question. i hope mooses suck.

Q: would you eat a chocolate covered hot dog if someone offered it to you?

A: depends. what kind of dog? i couldnt eat a whole saint bernard. maybe a baby poodle. the white ones. with milk chocolate? that wouldnt be so bad.

Q: What do you think about imaginary teddybears?
-You want one?
-Do you think im crazy, or just a really cool person with an imaginary teddybear called Hans?
Take your time Brie.
Those are some tough questions.

A: --- they make me say "free all night" ---i dont ---well. can you make pancakes? waffles? if the answer is yes. then yes.


Q: i got a job at the gun club pulling traps. it just kind of happened. i dont even know what i'll be doing. AHHHH I'VE NEVER EVEN HELD A GUN IN MY LIFE! but i hear you get good tips...should i stick with it? hahaha this is like an advice column...

A: YES. BECAUSE YOU ARE THE WARRIOR. listen to the following songs, they will be the soundtrack to your life: slippery people by talking heads, warrior by yeah yeah yeahs, knockin' on heavens door by BOB DYLAN and....soldier by destinys child:)

Q: How long does it take you to come up with all the banter you churn out? I mean seriously, it has to be the most random irrelevant stuff I've ever read. I guess though that is the mystery that is Brie Larson....

A: i bought the Do-it-yourself DVD.

Q: is your concert on friday free?

A: well. its 5 invisible dollars. so I guess you could say that.

Q: should my mum let me get my lip pierced?

A: YES. and it should be in the shape of the letter B.

Q: Do You Like Panic! at the disco? and do you think billie joe armstrong is attractive?

A: i would say no, but only because when I hear their music or just their name...I get this sudden urge to break my left arm and stick a fork in my eye? billie joe armstrong is in green day. your answer is right there.

Q: What does celestial mean?

A: read a book. maybe its in there.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 23 April 2006 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

I wrote about Yolanda Thomas (as part of a long spiel where I briefly mentioned, uh, other stuff) on the metal thread, but she probably would've made more sense here. here she is:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/yolandat

xhuxk, Sunday, 23 April 2006 01:37 (eighteen years ago) link

ok what the heck this is what i wrote about her (though i'll leave out the other stuff):

1. yolanda thomas (another post-divinyls cdbaby aussie hard-living gurl who stops after only *eight* songs and who is almost as good as leanne kingwell in her horniest songs "lock up your sons" and "going down" where she is gone down on and maybe "oh yes", all of which make her two sappier songs about california more bearable).

2. come to think of it, "oh yes" probably has a wee bit too much melissa etheridge in it for its own good, and the gloria-estefan-via-shakira move "perception of deception" is probably more fun. vibratophobes, caveat emptor. but "lock up your sons" and "going down" are truly rockin' and sexy and really crack me up:

xhuxk, Sunday, 23 April 2006 01:40 (eighteen years ago) link

uh, getting fired has apparently worked wonders on my counting skills: yolanda thomas's CD has seven songs, not eight. and her l.a. songs aren't really all *that* sappy; i can easily imagine faster pussycat singing "breaking in hollywood." the other one's more sheryl crow.

xhuxk, Sunday, 23 April 2006 02:21 (eighteen years ago) link

also from metal thread: a teen-pop band i never heard of before from 30 years ago whose album i bought for $2 in seattle last week (i wrote this before i knew they were teen-pop):

- slik *slik* (1976, on arista records, and totally fucking mysterious. who the hell are these guys? they name one song "the kid's a punk" but at best they only look like punks in the *lords of flatbush*/dion and the belmonts sense, except they're all wearing different baseball jerseys on the cover. and really short greasy hair. you know they're tough guys 'cause the one with the springsteen/deniro/pacino look has a toothpick in his mouth and another one is punching his left palm with his right fist. they cover both "when will i be loved" by the everly brothers and "bom bom" by exuma, the latter of which i'm pretty sure was also covered by the jimmy castor bunch, and they also do a song called "do it again" credited to midge ure, though ultravox didn't put out their first album until 1977 I think. also, there's a song called "dancerama." so maybe they're disco? i have no idea, not yet.)
-- xhuxk (xhux...), April 23rd, 2006.

http://alexgitlin.com/npp/slik.htm

http://www.answers.com/topic/slik

xhuxk, Sunday, 23 April 2006 04:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow. So Midge Ure was in something good once. I guess when they adopted their lovable nicknames,he took his from the insect, cos the voice is just so high. Whining by again, can't touch it, too thin, just wait til it's gone. (in Ultravox, anyway.)

don, Sunday, 23 April 2006 04:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Frank i've only heard Knuckle Down once or twice but it has little if anything to do with teenpop! I was thinking more of some of the stuff Ani was making 10-15 years ago in her early 20s. I could make a comp and send it to you (he says, remembering the pile of CDs he's still supposed to make for various ilxors).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 23 April 2006 07:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Slik's 'Forever and Ever' was #1 here in 1976, Frank. Certainly Midge Ure's finest moment, which isn't saying much, but it was a really good single, late glam with some nice bells, and nothing to do with punk which was utterly unknown in the Uk at the time. Also, he wasn't the leader of Ultravox at first - in fact their first album is art-school new wave with John Foxx up front, and is quite good.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 23 April 2006 08:48 (eighteen years ago) link

More about Courtney
Ovular--From Ovary, a femminst replacement for seminary, from Semen.

Watching the video to Mono, which i think is the key to all this, there is a scene, with courtney in a grocery store, being chased by cops and photogs, she stops, lifts her skirts, and has 3 children come out from under, the girls lift their skirts, and there is three more--that set lifts there skirts, and emerge with chain saws...the girls in chain saws ravage the suburbs.

i dont need to do the freudian work for you (the whole video is pretty transparent) but i think that 6 or so years ago, courtney was arguing that she would give birth to a generation of kids who will kill their parents--and one could make the arguement that Ashlee, etc are those kids.

whether courntey would allow that is up for debate ofcourse--but the video is pretty clear on the sticky politics of progeny.

(you can stream it on her site)

anthony easton (anthony), Sunday, 23 April 2006 09:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Just to point out to UK Peeps: 'Under The Surface', i.e. The Marit Larsen Album, is now available to buy on iTunes in the UK, and possibly elsewhere.

You can also go to http://www.cdplanet.no, which is a norwegian website but there's a flag on the top left of the page that you can click to view the Webpage in English (the album costs 18.50 in U.S. dollars, but I'll bet there's a significant handling and shipping charge [I didn't check]).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 23 April 2006 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Not A Pretty Girl was a good Ani album, but maybe a little later(and otherwise less relevant) than the ones you're talking about, Tim??

don, Sunday, 23 April 2006 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

No I think Not A Pretty Girl (I agree her best album) is still relevant, basically that stretch from about 1992 to 1996 was the period where I think she was making music that was most likely to connect with teenagers. I really got into Not A Pretty Girl and Dilate when I was 14.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 23 April 2006 23:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Martin, I listened to Silk's "Forever and Ever" and I definitely recognize it, definitely heard it before, though who knows where -- maybe on some K-Tel-type compilation of mid '70s British hits? Anyway, it's nice. Very spacey opening. But their version of "Bom Bom" (which Jimmy Castor did indeed also cover) is way better. Who were Exuma, anyway?

Metal Mike Saunders, via email today:

> i haven't even heard the Dhani side(s) (single or anything else) post A-Teens. but during all of year 2005 i had literally BOXES of 3/$1 (especially) and 50 cent and dollar bin vinyl albums 60's/70's (mostly) to dredge thorugh here at home.

i had a small-lightburlb-turns-on moment of clarity the other day...and realized that when you break down the last 30 calendar years into decades as --

1975 - 85
1985 - 95
1995 - 05

then i can cue up a list of "very favorite pop act of each 10 years (decade) of the last 30 years" as a uninterrupted Swedish Pop head of class reign --

ABBA
Roxette
A*Teens

the 1995 Roxette (foreign issue only) singles comp GREATEST HITS / GET TO THE CHORUS is just unbelievable....i have to pick up a used CD of it on Ebay. i stumbled across a Korean cassette in a local thrift store lasst year...

I guess that indicates i'll be digging up the post-A*Teens sides in, i dunno, year 2015?

the footage in APA's mtv reality show looked like it was just a Dr Luke thing (the strong single/tune), but you know Max Martin...a million dollars can't get him in front of a camera or an american interviewer. smart guy.

does any fanboard know exactly what Max Martin actually did on Bon Jovi's "It's My Life" mega-hit comback monster except -- obviously -- completely fix (rerecord) the rhythm track. and either co-write or do similar major fix-it work on the tune? BJ are total dicks about giving (signing over any) outside production credits...bon jon's such a musical genius y'know...like that godawful current fake-o "country" version (for CMT and country radio) of their (current) hack single ("They Say You Can't Go Home")...good lord what an affront to intelligent/clever pop or pop/country music. if i had the funds i'd have Miranda Lambert burn HIS fuckin house down. it's not pretty when pretty boys start getting old and think, "oh, it's time to start cutting country-crossover versions." fuckin' tool. he should roadie for Ashley Parker Angel!

xhuxk, Sunday, 23 April 2006 23:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Even as a Shanks fan I can't find much good to say about "They Say You Can't Go Home," but the Martin co-written and Shanks co-produced "Complicated" is the best thing on the album, and it basically is teenpop, even though sung by old Jon (who's younger than I or Metal Mike).

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 24 April 2006 00:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I've listened to the new Pink and guess what? I'm conflicted about it. Neither Shanks nor DioGuardi are on it, but they're an influence. (My feeling is that Martin has been going for a bright version of their style rather than that they're an American-rocked version of his style, though I don't have the music-theory chops to really back up this feeling. They're work covers a wider range, too, for what that's worth.) Anyway, about half of the Pink album - not just the Max-Luke numbers, either - are in the Shanks-DioGuardi and/or Martin-Gottwald style, and hearing Pink's voice fronting that style is a bit weird. I'm not sure she's the right singer for it. I mostly like those songs, and I may like them more once I get used to them. Perhaps. "U + Ur Hand" is a grumpier, duller version of the Veronicas' "4ever." It's so similar that Martin and Gottwald should sue themselves. Same Transylvanian half-step, same layered-on harmony. But it doesn't have the sparkle or bite of "4ever." Maybe if I'd heard it on its own I'd adore it.

(Gottwald could also sue himself over the Veronicas' "Everything I'm Not," which runs very close to Kelly Clarkson's "Behind These Hazel Eyes." But "Everything I'm Not" works fine as a Veronicas track, has a Veronicas character, doesn't seem superfluous in relation to the Kelly.)

My favorite song on the Pink is "I Got Money Now," which in feel if not in lyrics reminds me of "Dear Diary," my favorite Pink track ever. Same low singsong that feels prayerful and sorrowful. Produced and co-written by Mike Elizondo; doesn't sound anywhere near to Shanks or Martin.

All Pink albums are mixed in style and mixed-up in ideas. This is no different. As pure pleasure sound, it's got a lot to like, but it feels less strong in itself than Missundaztood had. Less Pink, for better or worse. Or so it seems so far.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 24 April 2006 00:42 (eighteen years ago) link

The writing credits on "It's My Life" are "Bon Jovi, Martin, Sambora." I don't have Crush, but a quick spin through Google seems to indicate that the entire album is credited as produced by Luke Ebbin, Jon Bon Jovi, and Richie Sambora, with Max Martin listed as co-producer on "It's My Life." I don't see where Sambora or Bon Jovi are trying to shut Martin out of the credits.

Last year, when I first tried to describe "Since U Been Gone" to Chuck - I don't think I'd known yet it was a Maratone production - I told him that it was "Max Martin–style Bon Jovi, like "It's My Life."

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 24 April 2006 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link

more metal mike saunders via email:

>oh, i definitely had "Just Want You To Know" at either #2 or #3 on my 2006 Village Voice singles ballot...depending on whether Crazy Frog was #3 or #2. no way i was going to let the Year Of The Frog slip by without it going at least Top 3.

same D-Luke #1 as half of the known pop world, Behind These Hazel Eyes.

can't remember what the hell else i liked in 2006 on singles...a couple of the hilary duff singles...i think i had to scrape and throw Miranda Lambert and Hope Partlow in just to fill it up. no way would they be Top 10 for me in a strong pop year. OH -- greenday's "Holiday" since it was a great rock song w/good protest-lyric and the old 1994 gd giant-wall of-guitars billion seller production style. my least favorite GD producton style (even compared to the $500 budget debut album 1990) but what the hell. bill has always been the lennon/mccartney surrogate of our era so ya know the guy has realllly worked hard being Angus, Johnny Ramone, AND a sorta cut rate Brian Wilson of guitar rock (as in, songwriting career arc although he probably thinks of it more like a Kinks thing from what the locals tell me), all at the same time soo. still not as good a tune as Crazy Frog though.

=#4= well - with the VV music section apparently kaput to hell, i figure serious rock writers will start doing what i've been the last couple years....randomly posting their serious "rock crit thoughts" into other music fans' myspace.com Comments columns a couple times a week, by random number table method. i mostly have to just deal with the 100-200 "add me" requests (per week), and answering endless random questions (from moronic to generic to record-collector-arcane) in the In Box mail...but yea, a couple times a week something pops out that's more than just the usual swapping-of-one-sentence-smartass-comments (between the same Comment boxes). here's a couple from this past (weekend) as example...(check the comments side)...yea...pretty deep stuff ha ha hahaha ha. hey, what the hell, "underground" was a pretty cool idea for about 20 seconds back in fall 1967. -- anyway here's the lay of the land for us rock "critics" year 2006...this is what's left, guys --

http://www.myspace.com/killyridols69
http://www.myspace.com/guttergauntgangster
oh and this guy (musician) i know in LA who made such a dumbass comment into my page's recent "heavy metal" blog/journal post that i had to lecture him for about a half hour in print, or at least eight entire column inches of space ----
http://www.myspace.com/gainsbarre

yep...."rock criticism" as memo-pad notes ha ha. would the scholars call that "post-modern reductionism?"

imagine if the Beatles had had a "myspace" back in Dec 1960 when they'd just got back from the first Hamburg trip (the utter fluky providence of its having happened at all in the first place being the happenstance (musically) that completely set the fuse for pop music getting completely turned on its head when the Beatles nuked the whole UK music scene with "Please Please Me" in jan 1963)...yea...that've been cool. imagine archived-forever comments from all the german hookers and neer-do-wells the Beats had hung with (beyond the obvious Astrid and Klaus fashion crew).... someday poor biographers will have to troll through 10's (literally) of thousands of comments on some unknown (now) band's page that winds up (later) being a 5xPlatinum band in year 2009....

yea, me and two other Skye fans from the "punk band" world (drummer Clay from well known band Clorox Girls in Portland one of them, and frontman Johnny Jewel from Denver, now Portland the other ) were among the first 100 names noticing/asking for "adds" onto Skye's page when it went up its first month ages ago! and yea we left a goodly handful apiece of funny comments into the photos over the 6 months before the page became (now) pretty sprawling. (and most old photos disappeared eventually). if you ever send out a cheap xmas or birthday donation to bubblebrainy's Bolton PO Box, she enjoys getting things in pizza boxes. (she is still big on hello kitty or barbie related thrift store togs, and oh yeah, music).

i still stick to the idea of Skyster being an "inverted Lou Reed" (60's) for our time... your perfectly self-conceived "cult artist" and musical-contrarian (per rules) who is also capable of writing a giant hit song. at least if you consider "Sweet Jane" to be a pop hit in some universe if, like Elektra and "Light My Fire," some label guy had taken a razor blame and sliced the damn thing into tidier shape (and had had competitive production values, say on a 1970 Badfinger level).

i wonder if she'll ever write a song about...um...being a Canadian. hey y'know, i recall "American Woman" was a pretty good sized hit as canuck-perspective comment. so it's been done at least a couple times before.

xhuxk, Monday, 24 April 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll say it -- the new Pink album is disappointing. Lyrics are weak to lame, melodies aren't there, and it just sounds like she's becoming a parody of herself.

I'm a huge Roxette fan. I like Joyride better than Look Sharp, but "The Look" (on the latter) is razor sharp and so so sexy. But those are the only two albums I'm familiar with. Is it worth getting the Get To The Chorus thing? Marie Fredriksson had brain surgery a few years back, but I believe she's in the clear. Always loved her androgynous fashion sense.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Monday, 24 April 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i definitely had "Just Want You To Know" at either #2 or #3 on my 2006 Village Voice singles ballot...

This single is so underrated, it's at least as good as "Since U Been Gone".

The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Monday, 24 April 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I love all the Backstreet Boys singles from the new album, probably "Incomplete" is the weakest of the three so far.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 24 April 2006 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Dr. Luke/Max Martin-produced Ashley Parker Angel single "Let U Go" is good, sped-up harder rock version of the BSB "Just Want You to Know"/Kelly C/Veronicas formula. Metal Mike Saunders mentioned it upthread and also talked about a recent TRL appearance:

"yea, the Ashley Parker Angel reality show had two illuminating short segments...the one where LZ-boy-couch snoozers the Matrix were hacking out a pay-us-then-we'll-write-once-the-check-clears paint by numbers hack song...and then the near-awesome Dr. Luke in action as a contrast. O-town Ash did the Dr. Luke song/single with a live band on TRL tuesday and whoa, it rocked like fuckall. (low-tech band with no unified look, young-ish guys like him and no other pretty boys...one guitarist was a short runt with a goofball mohawk). as "cool song, better live than the record" moments go it was a pretty sublime moment of pop crossing into rock."

nameom (nameom), Monday, 24 April 2006 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

so far, give or take the exuma cover, my favorite song on the slick LP i bought is "the kid's a punk," which STOMPS, at least like the sweet or the bay city rollers if not quite slade, plus i like that you can't tell whether "punk" is an insult. what you can tell is that the band considers it a synonym with "a loser" and "a bum, where he comes from nobody knows" and "a head-shakin', heart-breakin hobo." (see also: *school punks,* brownsville station.)

xhuxk, Monday, 24 April 2006 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

And Frank, here is what I wrote about Switchfoot on Rolling Country 2005 last year:

"So, in the random 5-CD changer this morning..., Whenever I thought I was hearing a Reckless Kelly track really jump out at me, turned out it was by Switchfoot, who are not remotely country, as far as I can tell, but somehow *feel* country to me; I could actually imagine hearing them on CMT, though really their album is either the best Nickelback album ever or the best U2 album I've heard since *Under a Blood Red Sky.* Probably the latter. So I dunno where the country *feel* of it is coming from - some distant root in Irish folk melodies via U2 maybe? I dunno.."

xhuxk, Monday, 24 April 2006 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

My favorite songs on Switchfoot's *Nothing is Sound* wound up being "Politicians" and "Daisy," then "Lonely Nation" and "The Blues" and "We Are One Tonight." (Not sure why.)

Upthread (circa March 27) I talked about Kaci Brown, who wanted to be a country singer but was signed by Interscope who wouldn't let her be one and put her on the road with the Backstreet Boys instead. Anyway, I wound up liking her 2005 *Instigator* album way more than I expected to. It's post-Destiny's/Britney/etc teenpop r&b with lots of non-word syl;ables from Kaci's mouth and an extraordinary amount of dub space in David Sonenberg and William Derella's production; Best track is probably "Body Language," which does the middle-eastern/bhangra thing and adds rock guitar and where Kaci lists all the languages she doesn't speak. Then probably "Instigator" (where she'll steal your boyfiend and the waiter too), "Cadillac Hotel" (Nelly Furtado-style reggae that somehow reminds me of the Tamlins' version of "Baltimore" by Randy Newman, maybe because it mentions seagulls), and "My Baby" (Teddy's-jam new jack swinging elecrofunk rhythm workout). Third tier I guess "The Waltz" (which I may well be underrating - slow simmer seduction brought to a boil, and literally turning into classical waltz music at the end), "SOS" (pretty dub pop for being stranded on the desert island in the lyrics), "Like Em Like That" (la la la la la la la). Worth seeking out - -when I bought my $2 copy in Princeton, it was one of a few there.

Also great on that '76 Slick LP (now playing in the background): "Dancerama," funked-up pop disco segueing out of "Bom Bom"'s great post-Santana proto-worldbeat disco metal.

xhuxk, Monday, 24 April 2006 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

also, I wrote this two months ago on the metal thread, but given how the two threads are evolving it would've made more sense here. also, i've decided i like the album's brill building gone '80s AOR (a la amy grant) sound a lot. Tunes galore are starting to sink in:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/staceyevans

stacey evans, *a slender thread*, cdbaby californina pop-metal singer-songwriter rock; i definitely like some of it (especially "rollercoaster", absolute glam-metal roxette with a chorus about how a guy's moving too fast for her), and i kind of like the guitar sound (chunky and even sometimes boogiefied -- "a slender thread", which has a cabaret croon melody possibly ripped from "creep" by radiohead, ends with a pretty nifty guitar solo -- but often bordering on early psychedelic pop-rock, like i dunno, the beatles maybe?), and i like the europop undercurrent (e.g. vixen via abba in "letting them keep you") that courses through a lot of this. but soemething about the whole thing still screams "sincere and confessional folkie", which makes me wary. her voice is fine, i guess -- not as sandpaper as alanis or melissa etheridge, tougher than sheryl crow i guess but *probably* with less personality than at least two of those three, i'm not sure yet; maybe the personality will kick in later. plus the songs tend to get lost a lot, at least on first listen (maybe they'll kick in later too), and outwear their welcomes: best song is the shortest, and at 3:50 it's not that short. "machine" seems to want to sound like a machine, keeps going into these electro-rock parts and a robotic riff that reminds me of sly fox's "let's go all the way" of all things, but its melody is like "i am woman" crossed with benatar's "invincible" (maybe just because she keeps saying "invincible"?) crossed with some (i think) '80s new wave classic i can't put my finger on. last couple tracks seem to probably be the trippiest, but the trippiness is always balanced with commercial pop, which is a good thing. named as influences on her cdbaby page: bee gees, abba, fleetwood mac, eagles, def leppard, journey, electric light orchestra, olivia newton-john, ann wilson, karen carpenter. so, i dunno. i get the idea there might be interesting stuff going on here, but i need more time with it.

(she apparently has plenty of super-pro sidemen in her band - guys who work with elton john, rod stewart, and ray manzarek, for instance)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), February 24th, 2006.

xhuxk, Monday, 24 April 2006 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link


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