the bridge of kool thing is corny but the guitar rips
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:37 (one year ago) link
steve shelley is heroic on that one too
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:38 (one year ago) link
lists are
https://i.discogs.com/rKnZIDyHdr3-qmqzaY4IvTsa8_w7f1yj7YNb-SjWENs/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:599/w:599/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTMwODAw/NzgtMTQxNTE1ODM3/MC03MzE3LmpwZWc.jpeg
― hi hole im dad (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:40 (one year ago) link
lists are a highway
― rob, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:42 (one year ago) link
was "wicked game" on the singles list?
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:43 (one year ago) link
so good of them to let super ae sneak in at the bottom
― imago, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:44 (one year ago) link
thought you all were dissing en vogue for a minute there :-/
― brimstead, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:45 (one year ago) link
I notice Ween completely struck out on both singles and albums lists. Boy has their critical star faded in the last 20 years or so. Same with the Super Furry Animals.
β Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, September 28, 2022 10:36 AM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
idk what critics think of Ween nowadays but the band somehow seems more popular than ever. they sell out every show they do and last time I was at the record shop some kid who probably wasn't even alive when Ween was still recording was buying up all their stuff
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:46 (one year ago) link
there's nothing that the 90s kids loved more than kenny g and joe cockerβ comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Wednesday, September 28, 2022 7:16 AM
β comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Wednesday, September 28, 2022 7:16 AM
kind of decided yesterday that i wouldn't really need to see the albums list; might give it a look for some laughs but- vc's post there sums up a recurrent thought i had while looking over the tracks list yesterday.
and that thought was: hrmph, some of this is the kind of music my mother absolutely loved. which, i mean, is fine. but it just goes back to the notion that just because something was popular doesn't mean it was good and deserves to be fondly remembered.
also i'm all for a publication growing and maturing and branching out or whatever but some of this stuff just doesn't fit. i can't really take the overall word with any seriousness when there's bits all throughout that seem like they were included as a joke.
don't remember who said it upthread, but a more focused approach would be a lot more rewarding - though admittedly, nowhere near as fun.
― γππ π π € π ‘ π π π彑 (Austin), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:47 (one year ago) link
xp Ween deserve to be there but this staff clearly wants nothing to do with that demographic.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:48 (one year ago) link
Iβm surprised by the number of noise rock and metal albums.
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:48 (one year ago) link
I think "Wicked Game" is technically an 80s song.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:48 (one year ago) link
It's only ever been 'also recommended' http://acclaimedmusic.net/song/S220.htmPitchfork (USA) - The 200 Best Songs of the 1980s (2015) - 201Pitchfork (USA) - Top 200 Tracks of the 1990s (2010) - 201
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:49 (one year ago) link
Again, a lot of weird assumptions. You're implicitly accusing writers of bad faith. You're assuming writers love "Hold On" and The Bodyguard because they're popular. Well, gee.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:51 (one year ago) link
My first reaction to the albums list was#28 = Bjork's 4th-best album#25 = Belle & Sebastian's 4th-best album#3 = Radiohead's 4th-best album
― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:54 (one year ago) link
I don't at all love The Bodyguard (or even much like it), but its not hard to imagine a 10-year-old person of color loving "I'm Every Woman" as much as the white kid -- or person of color! -- did Gracelandd or So.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:55 (one year ago) link
oh and#34 Aphex Twin's 4th-best album
― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:55 (one year ago) link
Glad someone is finally admitting that poptimism is for 10 year olds
― hi hole im dad (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:56 (one year ago) link
There are a few people in this thread who love "Hold On" and don't write for Pitchfork. Ask'em if they love it because it was the #1 song of 1990 or because Aunt Flo blasted it in her Hyundai on the trip to Epcot.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:56 (one year ago) link
The 150 4th-best albums of the 90s
― jmm, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:57 (one year ago) link
"Wicked Game" is a song that exists simultaneously in both the 80s and 90s, as a See Also for "I'm On Fire" and "Fade Into You", and also outside of time.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:57 (one year ago) link
They love it for the latter, but Aunt Flo was probably blasting it because it was the #1 song of 1990.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:58 (one year ago) link
The 80s albums list had so much metal. Mercyful Fate, Iron Maiden, Godflesh. Where did pitchfork's metal people go?
I think "Wicked Game" was in their 80s list.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 15:59 (one year ago) link
It wasn't. It was a "See Also" listed under Springsteen's "I'm on Fire".
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:00 (one year ago) link
""Wicked Game" is a song that exists simultaneously in both the 80s and 90s"
Getting Away with It, Nothing Ever Happens
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:00 (one year ago) link
these days Aunt Flo listens to true crime podcasts in the car
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:00 (one year ago) link
many posts about but too much Garth & Shania hate for a list that only has 3(?) country songs on it? (Though my Garth & Shania picks would be Wild Horses and No One Needs To Know).
I love Elliot Smith as much as the next guy but I would take out some of his 3 to add more country music, not less!
Also great to see more Bone Thugs love.
― Will (kruezer2), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:00 (one year ago) link
many posts ago*
― Will (kruezer2), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:01 (one year ago) link
personally I'm happy not to see ween's horrible albums on lists like these. they seem to be doing fine
idk why everyone is complaining about the bodyguard there's far worse stuff on here, for example dj shadow, or pavement
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:01 (one year ago) link
My Shania pick would be TDIMM but the 'pop' version
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:02 (one year ago) link
The 2010 list was so bad. They managed to redeem themselves with this one somewhat.
― βββ (Moka), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:04 (one year ago) link
The 2010 list was more interesting from a music discovery perspective, probably because they had a one song per artist rule. The new list has more variety and is more inclusive, but has too much stuff I already know.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:08 (one year ago) link
Shania is great and has way better songs.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:08 (one year ago) link
βM!IFLAW!β is one of my all-time favorite songs; I was very pleased to see it on the list!
― "Cool ranch dressing!" (morrisp), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:11 (one year ago) link
I laughed.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:11 (one year ago) link
a decent fistful of the most important 90s metal was made by some pretty awful people, even if in some cases (Darkthrone) they're people who appear to have grown out of their edgelordisms, and leaving those people off a 90s albums list -- it's a valid flex afaic, I can dig it. in any case American indie fuxxors broadly speaking don't get interested in metal until there's a viable American scene (this is hilarious to me but is true; the tipping point is that awful Agalloch album from like '04), and that American scene is how they get pointed at the good 80s shit. 90s metal wasn't appealing to the Pitchforkers of the 90s and even though Candlemass, Cathedral, Meshuggah, Dark Tranquility, Morbid Angel, etc etc etc all belong on such a list, I think the ship has sailed
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:12 (one year ago) link
Sleep's Holy Mountain would have been enough for me.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:16 (one year ago) link
And Nu Metal might have seen some rehabilitation in recent years, but not that much.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:18 (one year ago) link
a decent fistful of the most important 90s metal was made by some pretty awful people,
Yes, unlike Ace of Base
https://www.vice.com/en/article/rm35nr/ace-of-bases-secret-nazi-past
― hi hole im dad (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:19 (one year ago) link
Well their nazi past was secret.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:20 (one year ago) link
Slipknot was '99 and they're good people. Reducing it to "all metal is problematic" is kinda dumb and I hope that's not actually what's going on here.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:21 (one year ago) link
Very funny that Morrissey and Kozolek got scrubbed from the list but a literal Nazi gets to be on there because Stephanie Tanner sang his song on Full House
― hi hole im dad (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:23 (one year ago) link
At least one Beherit album in the top 10 would have been enough to satisfy me.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:23 (one year ago) link
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― jmm, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:23 (one year ago) link
Sadly Candlemass was fucking rotten in the 90s
― ToshirΕ Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:25 (one year ago) link
ready for #34985859340293849495
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:26 (one year ago) link
i feel like early '90s death metal's brush with the mainstream is exactly the sort of thing that should be catalogued in these canonization exercises but good luck getting maybe fiveish metal ppl to agree on what the best morbid angel record after altars is
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:26 (one year ago) link
regardless my songs ballot should've had "god of emptiness" on it
But that would have required sacrificing one of four Third Eye Blind songs.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 16:28 (one year ago) link