"It Ain't Hard to Tell" dropping off the list entirely is a little surprising
― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 21:51 (one year ago) link
the trolly problem but it's me at the center having to pick between Lambchop and Third Eye Blind
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 21:51 (one year ago) link
lmao
― rob, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 21:53 (one year ago) link
Whiney please read the Smells Like Teen Spirit entry
― rob, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 21:55 (one year ago) link
The 2010 list also had the notable difference of not allowing an artist to show up more than once on the list.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 21:55 (one year ago) link
two of my favorite bands of all time
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 21:57 (one year ago) link
xxp to whiney
ets reshuffle the canon, sound off about whos underrated & overrated, and toss in a few challopsy inclusions to stir the pot
was just saying we should take "Protect Ya Neck" out of the canon to make more room for Garth Brooks
nothing more, this is just a funny juxtaposition of takes.
another giving credit where it's due observation: love all the hiphop representation. dunno about numbers, but it feels like there's more than ever. can't be too upset about that.
― ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 21:59 (one year ago) link
Biggest shift there is a lot more rap & r&b and a lot less indie rock, which I guess is good? idk.Funniest thing is the change in Oasis placements, Live Forever was #50, now it's out? Don't Look Back in Anger DNP in 2010, now is their sole entry at #167? Don't Look Back In Anger? Really?
― link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 21:59 (one year ago) link
Brad it's well established that you swing unpredictably between "the best taste on ILX" and "the worst taste on ILX"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:00 (one year ago) link
Thinking about the albums list now. The current one is ancient (2003) - itself a remake of an older one (1999) - and has two Brianiac albums on it.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:01 (one year ago) link
nothing more, this is just a funny juxtaposition of takes
*juxtaposition of faux takes
― ミ💙🅟 🅛 🅤 🅡 🅜 🅑💙彡 (Austin), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:01 (one year ago) link
xxp also you totally have one thousand favorite bands <3
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:03 (one year ago) link
Just another person here to say that Bikini Kill do, in fact, suck— and I like a lot of other riot grrl and punk stuff.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:03 (one year ago) link
it’s true, i do Love Music
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:04 (one year ago) link
I also am going to be that faggot and say that I do not understand the love for Mariah Carey— I find “Fantasy” about as annoying as a song can get.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:05 (one year ago) link
But I’m also just someone who has never really understood the love for vapid brainwash music that sells millions of records, and resent the fact that I’m considered a “bad fag” or “anti-populist” when I say so. Sorry!
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:07 (one year ago) link
big mariah fan but crap #1 imo
― LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:08 (one year ago) link
xpdo you feel like screaming "what's going on?"
― rob, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:10 (one year ago) link
I realize I should know better by now, but kind of crazy how so many people still here in the year of 2022 view Pfork as some huge monolithic entity that just drops these lists rather than, y'know, a collection of individual writers with their own takes.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:11 (one year ago) link
My hyperbole came out— I actuall do love some Mariah, but “Fantasy” at number one? No.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:11 (one year ago) link
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:12 (one year ago) link
At least the wrong takes are different wrong takes since the last list, so that's fun.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:13 (one year ago) link
Actually, here's how the editor-in-chief described the process:
Pitchfork’s staff spent more than seven months poring over thousands of albums and songs in the making of this package, a series of lists and interviews that try to encapsulate some of our favorite music of a formative decade. The process included several rounds of voting between staff and contributors, and hours upon hours of “listening rooms” where the staff debated the merits of one song against another. There were more spreadsheets and impassioned Slack debates than anyone would like to admit, extensive conversations about the “critical pick” vs. the “fan favorite” vs. the “holistically beloved.” The result is a massive amount of incredible music, represented by hundreds of artists and carefully considered by 112 critics from our staff, contributor pool, and writers and editors who influenced the discourse around music in the ’90s in real time.
The result is a massive amount of incredible music, represented by hundreds of artists and carefully considered by 112 critics from our staff, contributor pool, and writers and editors who influenced the discourse around music in the ’90s in real time.
― rob, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:15 (one year ago) link
And yet no time to fact-check an R.E.M. blurb!
― "Cool ranch dressing!" (morrisp), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:17 (one year ago) link
Never ever been a Mariah fan, which has always bothered me because I like at least some songs by almost every other pop diva. She just doesn't connect for me. But also, it seems particularly weird to name as the best song of the '90s a track that relies heavily on a familiar sample from a classic '80s tune.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:25 (one year ago) link
why
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:25 (one year ago) link
Taking hits from the 80s, but make em sound so crazy, might be the most 90s thing about it.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:29 (one year ago) link
Fantasy mostly just makes me want to listen to GoL - not quite pulling off the 'learn to hear the sample anew' trick for me personally
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:30 (one year ago) link
idk if switching from lots of indie to lots of pop/r&b/rap is good or bad or whatever, but it does indicate a publication with a less distinct cultural voice which is bad
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:31 (one year ago) link
xposts Yeah with "Fantasy" I think it's that the sample isn't really reimagined or anything, the source material isn't remade (the way it is in Missy's "The Rain" e.g.), it's just appropriated and plopped down into the song.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:32 (one year ago) link
I agree that ODB is great on the remix tho. He's pretty '90s.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:34 (one year ago) link
whiney lmao
― assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:51 (one year ago) link
Whiney as Vicar of Challops this afternoon.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:52 (one year ago) link
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table),
can you identify for this fag what is Vapid Brainwash Music so I can compile a list?
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 22:54 (one year ago) link
Bikini kill was probably the biggest punk band after Fugazi in the 90’s but y’all keep it up with the sexist angles it’s a good fit
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:01 (one year ago) link
This totally rips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO2nWMPRayI
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:02 (one year ago) link
Xpost a good fit for the pitchfork thread I meant to say
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:03 (one year ago) link
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, September 27, 2022
I don't get this take at all.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:06 (one year ago) link
this is like complaining about most hip-hop
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:07 (one year ago) link
I've noticed a few people point out that U2 are missing, but they weren't on the old one either! (If the albums list goes to 250 as well though no Achtung Baby would definitely surprise me).
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:23 (one year ago) link
"Rhymes Like Dimes", that was Alfred. Good work!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:26 (one year ago) link
women can dislike shitty punk too
there are a whole lot of female-fronted rock acts on this list that are far better than bikini kill & i would have been much happier to see in the top 10
― ufo, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:30 (one year ago) link
hence Mariah Carey topping the list
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:35 (one year ago) link
Well I mean I wouldn't put Puffy's "I'll Be Missing You" on this list either. It doesn't have to do with using a sample, it has to do with doing something with it. Obviously ymmv but "Fantasy" has always felt like it's on the lazier end of the spectrum to me.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:37 (one year ago) link
(But also nothing else about the song sticks with me, and maybe that's just me. Mariah is not my jam. I literally only think of the sample when I think of the song.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:38 (one year ago) link
"fantasy" is a better use of the "genius of love" groove than "genius of love" was
― ufo, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:39 (one year ago) link
lol hard disagree.
But on to the real outrage, which is that there is no Suede on this list.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:42 (one year ago) link
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, September 27, 2022 6:52 PM (forty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Anyone old enough to remember the '90s knows that "Lukewarm post-post-grunge major label limpdicks Third Eye Blind suck shit" is not exactly like saying "Ringo was the most talented Beatle" gfoh
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:45 (one year ago) link
I MUST download a translator
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 23:48 (one year ago) link