Random old metal you are loving

can't it be both

judging by the audience at most of the shows I go to it is

I find it really funny when fans of dark and/or heavy music describe music in ways that sounds almost insulting, like:
"that bassline is pure evil"
"that riff is absolutely despicable"
"that guitar solo is reprehensible"

You have to know they like the music to see the compliment but it tickles me

I found a bunch of old gig tickets. Good times.

https://i.imgur.com/OfuDgkl.jpg

those are some primo shows. thanks for sharing!

totally forgot about PItchshifter.

Looks like I saw them twice in 1994! Big live band.

that Prong ticket font should've been their official logo

Dug up Vattnet Viskar’s «Settler» from 2015. That’s a beautiful record.

I forgot about them. They blew me away when I saw them open for 1349

I'm going through the Obituary catalog in reverse chronological order in preparation for the new album, which comes out next Friday. The 2017 self-titled album rules so fucking hard.

https://obituary.bandcamp.com/album/obituary

I actually haven't listened to much beyond music videos on youtube but I've always liked what I heard. I thought he must be better known for his film work but in one of the concerts it looks like a big audience, so maybe not. Also fronted a band called The Mad. Altogether he doesn't have a huge discography.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRF9jLIG8cs

The Mad have huge gaps of years in their discography. A late 70s CBGBs band too.

Very much enjoying the old punky Motorhead speed metal vibes from this Dum Dum Bullet demo collection; it sounds like shit but it rules.

https://cameleonrecords.bandcamp.com/album/dum-dum-bullet

I was in a metal mood today, I didn't really find the spot immediately but now I've put on Samael - Ceremony of Opposites. It's a good companion to Rotting Christ, which is my go-to for mid-tempo metal grooves with hooks and gothic atmosphere.

Ceremony of Opposites is one of my all time favourites.

Yeah that's a great one!

Desultory - Into Eternity
Swedish death metal from 93, melodic and intense with some remnants of thrash, totally wins me over

It's heartbreaking there wasn't a few more Watchtower albums after Control And Resistance with the same line-up.

i'm finally digging into eagle twin - 'the thundering heard: songs of hoof and horn' from 2018. they are hometown heroes. this is so fucking great. i should have gone to a lot more of their shows. craving a metal show tonight tbqfh.

this over and over and over. cuz sooooo friggin' awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzHwtnvhdag

I guess it's not really super old, but I've been listening to and appreciating how great old Leviathan and Lurker of Chalice were today; and really wishing guy had not gone off the deep end and turned out to be a total dick.

Speaking of him, I just recently saw this tidbit in Wikipedia about the old NES game, Skate of Die 2. I had no idea.

The skater seen on the cover art is Jef Whitehead, who would years later become known for being the sole member of the black metal project Leviathan.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fb/Skate_or_Die_2_Cover.PNG

That is weird and hilarious

lol the FUCK?

ho-leeeey SHIIIIIT

classic child star trajectory, I guess?

I seen someone tweeting that a lot of later albums by beloved metal bands get a ridiculously overdue reappraisal and people eventually come around and say that those later albums were actually great all along. Is this a real thing? Is it a resistance to stylistic changes?

Maybe, but that's not specific to metal? At some point every single long-running artist will have some eloquent writer passionately challenging the canon.

The passage of time also gradually blunts the cultural impact of the breakthrough material of bands - someone today discovering the Rolling Stones, they don't care about what they meant in the cultural landscape of the day. If the 60s rock revolution means nothing to you, "Sticky Fingers" and "Steel Wheels" are both just blues rock records by a the same guys.

I feel like in the music culture I grew up with (NME and Uncut kind of music) it was expected/encouraged that good bands changed a lot* and when I was getting into metal it seemed like there was some expectation that if you want to make a real departure you start a side project.

* I don't think this was entirely good because some artists can fruitfully milk a style for a longer time, changing style each album is an extremely artificial and potentially repressive way to do things

The passage of time also gradually blunts the cultural impact of the breakthrough material of bands - someone today discovering the Rolling Stones, they don't care about what they meant in the cultural landscape of the day. If the 60s rock revolution means nothing to you, "Sticky Fingers" and "Steel Wheels" are both just blues rock records by the same guys.

This is a key factor and something I think about a lot. Every Metallica album is someone's first Metallica album. If your first Metallica album was ReLoad, you're gonna receive Kill 'Em All very differently — if you ever bother listening to it at all.

2023 has been the year i discovered sepultura, specifically roots. what an insanely great album. i see the brothers cavalera are coming to my city early next year. i might have to check that out. anyone know anything about that?

i keep trying with metallica but i just can't do it for some reason. maybe next year.

The Cavalera Brothers show this year was my favorite of the year. Playing Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation in its entirety.

If that's the tour, definitely go.

awesome, thanks.

2023 has been the year i discovered sepultura, specifically roots. what an insanely great album.

best best best album, welcome aboard

not old but the last mentions i see are from the 2019 metal poll

warforged - i: voice

so epic

another 2019 thing so not old but this is doing a lot for me, it sounds amazing and it's just so good at what it does, a lot of depth to it, perfect album

Immortal Bird - Thrive On Neglect

Yes! That is such a good record.

\m/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8VWhn0nNwg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9ORe9a3VVg

Couple of things I've been re-visiting recently: Clutch - I Have the Body of John Wilkes Booth from Clutch and Entombed - Chaos Breed from Clandestine.

Clandestine is basically recorded godhead

Like every boring person wants to say LOL LEFT HAND PATH and on, it is a a godly album.

But Clandestine is also a classic. And you can't have one without the other

I guess this is as good a place to put this as any. (Could also almost go in the 50 plus thread on ILE.) The other night I went to see Voivod backed up by Prong with Hirax opening. I don't really like the hassle of going to shows very much, but I've been making time for a lot of legacy metal acts that have come through town. Last year I saw Carcass, Sacred Reich, Immolation, and some others. Before COVID, I was able to see Iron Maiden, which was a lifelong bucket list show for me. None of these bands have come anywhere close to being disappointing. Just great shows across the board. They can all shred in their sleep at this point. Just total professionals.

One thing I've found amusing is this expectation from all of the bands that have come through here (especially Prong) that because it's The Bay Area, people should be moshing like the old days. Tommy Victor was trying so hard to get people to mosh and I was looking at the people who did try to get a pit going and... Bless them for trying. Most of the audience looked old enough to have attended Voivod's earliest shows. "The pit" was a handful of people very carefully walking in circles while gingerly headbanging, and the audience gave them a wide berth. I have Tinnitus so I am generally pretty hesitant to come down to the front, but I had to for Prong (I always wear earplugs now). No moshing for me... though I did consider it for a few minutes.

All that said about audience participation, I hope the ticket sales and enthusiastic applause after each song should show these bands how much people still love them. I'm sure they get bigger pits in festivals in Europe, but here it really does feel like the tail end of an era. At least the one I grew up in.

Out of everything Voivod performed, I think I most enjoyed the performance of the more recent track "The End of Dormancy", which has sneakily become one of my favorite songs by them. Prong did a cool cover of Killing Joke's "Seeing Red" and later on in the set of Rush's "Working Man" which I see they have released as a single. As a result of the show I've been going through both of their catalogs since the show.

- Marilyn Haggerty

I love Prong to an almost unreasonable degree, and never having seen them live is a real nagging disappointment for me. I'm almost certain they're never gonna play Montana.

lol beard papa, I find nothing sadder than bands begging people to mosh. first of all, you can't command a pit - it happens or it doesn't. sometimes it doesn't even have anything to do with how much people like your music.

really glad you got to see Voivod! i haven't seen them in a while and need to rectify that

He was good natured about it, though. Kept saying "C'mon, mothafuckas!" but was smiling the whole time. I honestly was kind of surprised by Tommy Victor on the whole. I guess I had assumed he would be super intense guy, but he had a gregarious presence. Really seemed to be enjoying himself. He was flawless, too. I've always enjoyed his playing. Both Prong and Voivod are 3-man bands who sound way bigger.

I hope you get to see them, unperson! Not too far to Seattle or the bay from there... maybe the stars will align some day.

speaking of shows, I caught Necrot, Ghoul, and Municipal Waste last night. or rather, the first two - I'm not a MW fan, think when it comes to thrash revival, they're my least favorite of the big'uns (Toxic Holocaust is more my jam).

Necrot were great, though really they could use a second guitar player live. those solos are great but shouldn't be played over bass, and it does render some of the riffs murky if you don't know them (which fortunately I do). but they still had a great energy and I'm stoked for their newest album.

Ghoul were kinda the surprise for me, I've seen em and listened to em before but mostly as an afterthought, I just knew them as the dorks who wear sacks on their heads. they've really leaned into their inner-GWAR, with full-on goofy costumed characters, voices and storylines, and the music itself is a bit more than the 'good surfy thrash' that I remembered, there's a lot more grindcore in it (which makes sense considering the source bands for Ghoul). sound-wise, they sounded phenomenal, the energy was incredible, the goofy theatrical sideshow was entertaining as hell, plus they insulted Joe Rogan which was a plus.

I had entertained staying for MW just to get my money's worth but had enough fun watching Ghoul that I felt satiated.

I saw MW last year as well and would have left during their set if they had been headlining. Sacred Reich, who were never one of my favorite thrash bands, played before them and blew them off the stage.

love SR! i can imagine - i saw them live once and they were fantastic.