trayce, i think that sir cristin was just really going through it, questioning his honor and own sense of character and lashed out in a very “i am not like you!!!” kind of moment
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 12:14 (one year ago) link
Was it not him flipping the lid at the idea he’d ruined his honour to be nothing more than a paramour and also being invented at the idea of being subject to wink wink nudge nudge insinuations from the court after his (completely unrealistic btw) proposal was rejected?
― barry sito (gyac), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 12:45 (one year ago) link
Incensed not invented
― barry sito (gyac), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 12:49 (one year ago) link
yeah, he's an honor-above-all kind of guy and the insinuation that it's common knowledge that he's not keeping his oath drove him into a fury.
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 12:56 (one year ago) link
xps to gyac, i agree with basically all of that, i come not to praise caesar but to bury him.more accurately should have said "that GoT had at its best"
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 15:29 (one year ago) link
to vc: the adaptation is leaning heavily on what HBO thinks will work and this show's wonky speed of execution, shallowness of character, often incomprehensible filmic style and general lack of complexity, while partially GRRM's fault, are more readily blamed on "give the people what they want" instead of trying to offer more assured and patient storytelling.
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 15:32 (one year ago) link
forks fwiw i thought the first episode veered closely, at times, to what you're describing, but i've been really impressed by where it's gone since. have you watched the last couple episodes?
my favorite GoT season was 1, my second favorite was 2, third favorite was 3, etc. every time a new season came out, i would go back and do a grand rewatch, starting at S1E1, and every single time i thought "they nailed this show right at the beginning"
the last few episodes of hotd remind me a lot of that warm fuzzy season 1 feeling. the last episode, in particular, was absolutely gripping, and it was mostly a series of long, intense dialogue between pairs of characters.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 15:44 (one year ago) link
i've watched every episode and just haven't been into it. i found the dialogue in this episode tedious. i'll quit complaining now, don't think it's for me. will pipe up if it shifts from background watch to something i'm actually enjoying but i really think that's gonna be second season when they can calm the fuck down.
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 16:00 (one year ago) link
yeah idk how they could've adopted a patient approach to this story, given the scale of the narrative they've chosen to adapt. chapter 1 of the story takes 30 years, while the next 4-5 chapters will cover a period of 3.
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 16:08 (one year ago) link
i don't know the material well enough to speak to that, i just know that we're being asked to give a shit about political machinations, personalities, relationships and frailties that I don't have any engagement with but they're supposed to carry weight. the king in waiting's consort was just bludgeoned to death and i don't care about him or the king in waiting or the queen or the current king who has been withering away at mach speed over his train set since we started the dang thing. it's not taking the time i need to connect with anyone before we have to rush forward to the next plot point imo.
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 16:14 (one year ago) link
it's not taking the time i need to connect with anyone before we have to rush forward to the next plot point imo.
yeah, i think that's a very valid criticism. ser criston's character, for one, goes through _a lot_ of stuff in episodes 4 and 5, leading to narrative payoffs that arrive before the viewer has gotten a full sense of the character.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 16:30 (one year ago) link
xp the show is five episodes old
― barry sito (gyac), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 16:33 (one year ago) link
― barry sito (gyac), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 16:35 (one year ago) link
Its best was almost all from the source material, the drop in quality was huge and the show has zero rewatch value for me as a result.
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 16:49 (one year ago) link
apparently we get whole new actors for Rhaenyra and Alicent in the next episode
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 17:14 (one year ago) link
Timeskip Alicent is played by Olivia Cooke, who I’ve liked in the recent remake of Vanity Fair. It’s some great casting.https://wwd.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/olivia-cooke-as-alicent-hightower.jpg?w=640
― barry sito (gyac), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 17:30 (one year ago) link
I'm going to miss Milly Alcock, tbh. I wasn't sold on her at first, but she's really helped sell the role for me.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 17:34 (one year ago) link
there was a scene posted as a preview on the hot d official twitter that featured the adult actors for laenor and rhaenyra and they both seemed pretty good, with the laenor actor seeming like a seismic improvement lol
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 17:37 (one year ago) link
finally, the extended john mulaney armor fetish softcore we've all been hoping for
"It was about the struggle in every way: the struggle to get the armour off, the struggle of him to betray his vows... That's how I wanted to pitch it," he said. For Frankel it was all about the integrity of the scene, and he was dedicated to making every aspect as realistic as possible, even if it took months of forethought to accomplish."For even a world-quality squire, you've got 10 minutes to get the armor off. Let's say five, maybe at best. There's no way Rhaneyra and Cole are gonna take that armour off in 10 seconds. So I was like, 'Well, you have to have that in,'" he said. "These are all the things I really cared about, 'cause they take away this sort of, to my mind, archaic sexual sex scenes that have existed for so long in television and film, and make it feel real."
"For even a world-quality squire, you've got 10 minutes to get the armor off. Let's say five, maybe at best. There's no way Rhaneyra and Cole are gonna take that armour off in 10 seconds. So I was like, 'Well, you have to have that in,'" he said. "These are all the things I really cared about, 'cause they take away this sort of, to my mind, archaic sexual sex scenes that have existed for so long in television and film, and make it feel real."
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 19:39 (one year ago) link
"a world-quality squire"!
it would have been more realistic if they were both complaining about the awful smell of his sweaty high fantasy body as the pieces of armor came off one by one
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 19:43 (one year ago) link
(Alicent walks to the window and throws it open in desperation. Criston proceeds to remove the cod piece)
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 19:45 (one year ago) link
Ok, this show rocks.
Fantastic "one-take" opening act this week and *so* much politicking
Also lol at "Well he's a twat"
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 07:29 (one year ago) link
yeah this week's episode was excellent. they handled the time jump pretty gracefully imo, and the characters are coming into sharper definition each week.
kinda darkly funny to see daemon become a widower anew in consecutive episodes
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 18:15 (one year ago) link
lol no, this episode was terrible - dumb characters, barely-there motivation, actors without charisma. what a step backward.
― sean gramophone, Friday, 30 September 2022 03:01 (one year ago) link
It wasn’t great but I love Olivia Cooke cos I always love Olivia Cooke.
― barry sito (gyac), Saturday, 1 October 2022 20:33 (one year ago) link
They really need to dial it back with the nighttime filter on everything
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 3 October 2022 03:15 (one year ago) link
Ok, this is getting fucking crazy
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 3 October 2022 03:26 (one year ago) link
Strong shades of Joffrey's humiliation by Arya in GoT s1.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 3 October 2022 03:29 (one year ago) link
i've been kinda bummed this season/show, like plenty of soap opera and palace intrigue or whatever but not enough big momentous battles, but have to say things have ramped up quite nicely.
― dan selzer, Monday, 3 October 2022 13:04 (one year ago) link
were there any momentous battles in season 1 of Game of Thrones?
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 3 October 2022 15:05 (one year ago) link
I don't remember. But maybe with the expanse of things it felt more clearly heading there? Anyway getting that feeling now at least.
― dan selzer, Monday, 3 October 2022 15:08 (one year ago) link
I was a little confused to see Otto Hightower back as the Hand, but I guess he was reinstated since last ep?
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 October 2022 15:09 (one year ago) link
Larys Strong engineered the death of his brother and father, making room for Otto to be invited back
― dan selzer, Monday, 3 October 2022 15:15 (one year ago) link
I'm pretty sure the action in season 1 of GoT was roughly the same or less, it was mostly putting the pieces in place for the war that erupts in season 2, the truly big battle coming at the end of that season.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 3 October 2022 15:19 (one year ago) link
xp - I get the why and how of the machination, just wasn't sure it was a given he'd be back
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 3 October 2022 15:23 (one year ago) link
xp yeah the majority of the first book and series is build up
― barry sito (gyac), Monday, 3 October 2022 15:34 (one year ago) link
xp
I liked how impressed he was by the goings on, but I was disappointed that the writers didn't have the guts to make a character intone ponderously "so now the dance of the dragons commences..."
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 3 October 2022 15:46 (one year ago) link
I am anti-big battle scenes. The last few seasons of GoT had a lot of them. It didn’t fix what was going wrong with the show. I like episodes that are entirely filled with people talking. Or in the case of that last episode, everyone at the wake/funeral suspiciously watching each other
― Karl Malone, Monday, 3 October 2022 16:32 (one year ago) link
a couple things from this episode that didn't quite sit right with me:
1. Aemond seemed rather lively about 10 minutes after having his face utterly sliced to pieces. You'd think he'd need to chill out for a bit after losing an eye and getting massive disgusting stitches. That must be painful!
2. The fact that he brazenly stole a whole-ass dragon was rather quickly forgotten amidst the outrage over him (accurately) calling the little brown head boys bastards.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 3 October 2022 18:17 (one year ago) link
was the picture too dark for anyone? i watched on my ipad and it was 100% fine, but i'm seeing lots of complaints about it from so-called tv critics that are about to turn me into the joker!
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 October 2022 18:23 (one year ago) link
it was extremely dark for me starting near the end of the funeral and then through the dragon exploits
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 3 October 2022 18:29 (one year ago) link
xp to moodles for number 2, you can't really "steal" a dragon. in the books at least, each dragon can only be ridden by one person at a time. once the dragon's rider dies, the dragon can be claimed by anyone with targaryen blood. after aemond successfully mounted and rode vhagar, the dragon is bound to him now and won't accept any other rider. laena's girls use the word "stole" because their mom rode vhagar their whole lives, and the younger daughter hasn't claimed a dragon yet. laena would likely have wanted the dragon to pass to her daughter, but it doesn't really work that way
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 October 2022 18:30 (one year ago) link
I mean, I get this, but on the other hand he did steal it for all intents and purposes, but thanks for explaining anyway
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 3 October 2022 18:32 (one year ago) link
right, i mean laena's daughters have a reason to be pissed, the king is a dragonlord who claimed his own dragon in a similar way years ago. he's also very established as an expert on turning a blind eye to things.
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 October 2022 19:41 (one year ago) link
Oh, too soon
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 3 October 2022 20:43 (one year ago) link
the one good thing abt the persistent gloom filter is i had an eye procedure today & my eye was dilated way to fuck & bc of light sensitivity this show was about the only thing i could comfortably watch lolrename this show House of Furtive Glances w Occasional Dragons, god that funeral reception was interminableoh and re prev episode: i’ll take a hard no on the squelching-noise foley work for any more birth scenes, god that opening birthing scene was ott it sounded like she was taking a shit!
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 October 2022 22:06 (one year ago) link
It must be true
Give It Up For The King Of Fantasy: George R.R. Martin Just Announced That Instead Of Finishing The Game Of Thrones Books He’s Just Gonna Stay Rich AF And Let These Broke Boys Worry About Dragons https://t.co/aZKr3Iv1af— ClickHole (@ClickHole) October 3, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 00:13 (one year ago) link
Why does everyone have to have the same names in this and GoT, fuck its as bad as Elden Ring with its Godfreys and Godefreys and Marikas and Miqellas and Marigolds and Marriots.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 03:28 (one year ago) link
(and yes I'm aware thats also GRRMs doing!!!)