(I can't remember what jackson does instead, it probably does involve pratfalls and laughter.)
― ledge, Friday, 16 September 2022 11:48 (one year ago) link
🤡👍🏽
― mark s, Friday, 16 September 2022 11:53 (one year ago) link
Found it - no laughter, instead he chases them as a bear, they run into his house and slam the door on his nose. Despite which he still lends them some ponies the next day.
― ledge, Friday, 16 September 2022 12:07 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDlC40yhdVw
in the director's cut they fire bilbo out of a cannon (canon)
― mark s, Friday, 16 September 2022 12:17 (one year ago) link
I’m still charmed by the production values. Strangely, I feel absolutely no emotional investment in these characters and their plots. That’s something I could never say for the first three Jackson films.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 16 September 2022 12:44 (one year ago) link
Yeah this is all just making me go ‘Well these are choices.”
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 September 2022 13:27 (one year ago) link
nu-numenorean dropped: name kevin
probably it isn't but that's what i heard and that's what i want
― mark s, Friday, 16 September 2022 18:03 (one year ago) link
It's Kemen but the BtB crew have pretty much called him Kevin since the get-go
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 September 2022 18:06 (one year ago) link
lol we are as one, i must catch up on BtB!
― mark s, Friday, 16 September 2022 18:09 (one year ago) link
Hahah no worries, we're still talking among ourselves at this point -- our next episode will be the one with initial reaction and that's not been recorded yet. But yes you should catch up on all our episodes. :-D
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 September 2022 18:13 (one year ago) link
o fuk these theo etc scenes take place in pre-sauronised mordor
― mark s, Friday, 16 September 2022 19:40 (one year ago) link
Yeah they showed that from the get-go with the maps.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 17 September 2022 00:18 (one year ago) link
don’t you know, SON, we used to be faithful to MORGOTH in these parts! he’s got a beautiful, beautiful successor
― mh, Saturday, 17 September 2022 00:25 (one year ago) link
re the maps, yes in retrospect i see that, my startlement is p much: "oh i'm supposed to be interpreting this cutaway i'm looking right at in the most obvious way! what a world!"
it's possible i have watched some of the elf show while also scrolling twitter, as JRRT wd have wished
― mark s, Saturday, 17 September 2022 10:52 (one year ago) link
the r’s in his name stand for “retweet”
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Saturday, 17 September 2022 12:27 (one year ago) link
why do elves have to stand when they're in boats?
― brownie, Saturday, 17 September 2022 12:40 (one year ago) link
I don't think elves sit under any circumstances tbf
― land of nope and sorry (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 17 September 2022 12:48 (one year ago) link
i mean i assume it's a "protocol for re-entering heaven" thing and they did it the whole journey bcz they were practicing as you don't want to get that kind of thing wrong
― mark s, Saturday, 17 September 2022 12:49 (one year ago) link
heavenheaven is a placea place where nothingnothing is a chair 🎵🎶
― mark s, Saturday, 17 September 2022 12:50 (one year ago) link
yeah but she was standing in that little boat in Numerator as well! i get standing when entering heaven but it seems like overkill when taken to another boat imo
― brownie, Saturday, 17 September 2022 13:47 (one year ago) link
They don't tire apparently - why not take in the view?
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 17 September 2022 13:48 (one year ago) link
we’ll make heaven a place in middle earthoooh heaven is a place in middle earth
― scanner darkly, Saturday, 17 September 2022 16:56 (one year ago) link
they're like playmobil figures their knees don't bend
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 17 September 2022 17:03 (one year ago) link
As was classically explained in the MST3K treatment of The Magic Voyage of Sinbad, over a scene showing a model of a boat in a storm where said model sailors are seen to stand stiffly and not move at all: "I glued you to the boat and put rods in your legs for a reason!"
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 17 September 2022 17:06 (one year ago) link
Dear Abby, my elf boyfriend won't go kayaking with me
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 17 September 2022 17:08 (one year ago) link
legolas sat in the canoe in fellowship.
probably cause he never saw the light of the two trees
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Saturday, 17 September 2022 17:27 (one year ago) link
Have you ever even *seen* an elf's knees? (thinking emoji)
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Saturday, 17 September 2022 17:28 (one year ago) link
elves on a boat (approved stance):
https://64.media.tumblr.com/b062752a889a7058ae10ed5a558e230f/tumblr_plj7r5QNgz1rbony5_1280.jpg
― mark s, Saturday, 17 September 2022 17:29 (one year ago) link
Truth!
Some further thoughts on this, as I say, strange show
So we're halfway through this _Rings of Power_ season and time for another thread. (Again, as per the one from a couple of weeks ago, long range details of Tolkien's writing will be discussed, so if you want to stay somewhat surprised, avoid this…)— Ned Raggett (@NedRaggett) September 17, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 17 September 2022 20:28 (one year ago) link
I dont have any stakes in this & am still enjoying the show as a weird thought exercise w cool visuals that has become a nice chill way to spend my Friday evenings but I think the inherent genericness of this franken-adaptation is def the most frustrating aspect. it dilutes any sense or feeling of Tolkien to a point where it’s like, well why even reference him or his ideas if you aren’t making it ~worthy~ of him. like i get you dont have the full rights but embody the values & style ffs, honor him in your dialogue & story, and instead of LARP-level story and dialogue worthy of a final fantasy cd-rom
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 September 2022 21:00 (one year ago) link
or: Ned otm
As mentioned somewhere upthread or maybe on another thread, LotR is essentially a story about country rambling. If you don't get that then don't bother. (have not and will probably never see this new series btw)
― Witness describes moment man 'ran up to Queen's coffin' (Matt #2), Saturday, 17 September 2022 21:09 (one year ago) link
The country rambling aspect is certainly key, especially to Fellowship, but I don't think that it's the "essence" of LotR.
I agree with Ned & VegemiteGrrl, but I also have this sense that the showrunners and writers really were trying their level best. There's an earnestness to all of it that doesn't seem like phoning it in, but you can tell that they're not experienced at this.
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Saturday, 17 September 2022 21:27 (one year ago) link
yeah i’ll buy thatthat may be the upshot of it all at the end of the day
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 September 2022 21:53 (one year ago) link
effects and CGI aside a lot of this show is p sub-par but one thing i do find myself liking is just the sense that the texture of life in middle earth at this particular moment was a bit crappy and niggly and competitive and anxious
arguably this is untolkienish in feel (his routine thing being several thousand years of NIGH AND NOBLE FEELING* now and then offset by the threat of hordes of horrible cockney goblins (plus an oasis of cheerfully cocooned hobbitism to start us off)
but here everyone except the harfoots is a dislikeable bickering dick of one sort or another and the harfoots are all sorts of greenwood proto-celtic weird
― mark s, Sunday, 18 September 2022 12:34 (one year ago) link
I did like what are effectively dwarf druids in the last episode.
Obv Durin should have responded to Elrond's magisterial tale of the burdens of being the son of an elf hero with "Now, the stars, those are the things like faraway gems, right?"
Last episode significantly improved by the lack of the O'Harfoots, too.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 18 September 2022 12:56 (one year ago) link
I like the scary orcs, and the sound vibration opening credits. It's not bad, though, it's just fine. But I'm not comparing it to any books (I don't know if I ever read any sources for this? I read the Silmarilion about 30 years ago...)
― a hallan shaker loon (dowd), Sunday, 18 September 2022 14:02 (one year ago) link
the sources are the LOTR appendices only and strictly
― mark s, Sunday, 18 September 2022 14:13 (one year ago) link
Maybe they should have the appendix taken out
― i eat ass with a knife and fork (Neanderthal), Sunday, 18 September 2022 14:27 (one year ago) link
🚮
― mark s, Sunday, 18 September 2022 14:42 (one year ago) link
The three of us kept waiting for that shoe to drop and were at least relieved that didn't happen here.
Without patting myself TOO much on the back, my thread seems to have taken off among a number of readers/fans/watchers in the wider community. From the sound of it there's not much talk about these kinds of issues precisely because so much of what IS out there discourse-wise is racist bullshit.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 September 2022 16:01 (one year ago) link
I also have this sense that the showrunners and writers really were trying their level best. There's an earnestness to all of it that doesn't seem like phoning it in, but you can tell that they're not experienced at this.
Well famously the two showrunners, who are indeed comparatively young, have never done anything like this before and barely have any credits! I honestly think this was just networking triumphing since they'd worked with JJ Abrams. The results are as we see them.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 September 2022 16:02 (one year ago) link
it’s really just astonishing. how the fuck can you commission something this expensive from such beginners. i mean you could get lucky i guess? but like… welcome to the big leagues, amazon. making a good show is hard
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 18 September 2022 17:54 (one year ago) link
It's not that weird. One of the GoT showrunners had no credits before that show either. Producers want new talent who are available for a long time commitment. Screenwriters may have several lauded scripts that have never been produced, showcasing their talent.
― abcfsk, Sunday, 18 September 2022 19:45 (one year ago) link
The writers room is very experienced. So are the directors.
― abcfsk, Sunday, 18 September 2022 19:46 (one year ago) link
ah okay.
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 18 September 2022 20:38 (one year ago) link
I don’t think I’d use the GoT producers as evidence of that being a good idea
― mh, Monday, 19 September 2022 01:56 (one year ago) link
gives us a clue where the story's going with galadriel
― mark s, Monday, 19 September 2022 09:30 (one year ago) link
I do like that the dawrf king in this is played by Peter Mullan, while his old mucker Paddy Considine plays the king in House of Dragons.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 19 September 2022 11:06 (one year ago) link