Elvis Presley: Classic Or Dud?

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the performance scenes are what stick with me the most. whatever story Luhrmann was trying to tell about Elvis and the Colonel, or whatever points he hoped to make about Elvis's sincere engagement with Black musical culture, the movie's most compelling achievement is cutting through all the impersonators and Elvis jokes and Weekly World News updates i grew up with, and restoring to Elvis his life as a performer. every one of those live show scenes was electric, barnstorming, fire.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 4 September 2022 17:16 (one year ago) link

i am curious about the story that Luhrmann possibly ~wanted~ to tell vs the story he was permitted to tell by the estate — or if the estate was always involved from the getgo

i also think it’s funny that Parker’s line in the movie is like oh no I didnt kill him - you all killed him

but the Snowman stuff was good to see included because it helps (i think) kill the idea that Elvis was an unwilling participant in his own career, that he didn’t know Parker’s angle & was fully aware of the many snowjobs (to a degree)

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 September 2022 17:43 (one year ago) link

All right, fine, I'm watching it. Thoughts on Substack later this week.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 4 September 2022 17:50 (one year ago) link

Doctor Casino otm.

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 17:56 (one year ago) link

yeah def agree, could watch a whole movie just of butler recreating vegas shows

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 September 2022 18:25 (one year ago) link

otm, that Vegas sequence was so killer. And the actor playing Ronnie Tutt, Alex Knight, had those moves DOWN. Either Alex is a drummer, or he studied like hell for that role.

(Also, the drum hardware was period-correct. An insanely minor point, yes, but nothing takes me out of a music biopic faster than seeing gear that didn't yet exist.)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 4 September 2022 18:45 (one year ago) link

The beginning of Death on the Nile where she walks into the club using a wireless guitar transmitter in 1937,smh.

change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 4 September 2022 18:57 (one year ago) link

LIttle Egypt?

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 20:01 (one year ago) link

Who was also on Star Trek: TOS.

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 20:02 (one year ago) link

Yeah, they didnt miss a note with the 1968 special and Vegas stuff. I wonder if it's even possible to play "CC Rider" in a film without a split screen montage of traffic and showgoers all speeded up.

THAT SAID, what's the point of devoting so much time to how faithfully a film recreated something? Everyone raved about how spot-on the Queen movie re-did Live Aid, and I thought, "How bout I just stay home and watch THAT on Youtube then?"

I kinda went Wow at the detail down to the Coca-Cola wax-paper cups during "Unchained Melody," but then when they switched to "The Real Thing" (swidt?), I figured they might as well have just gone with that version the whole time. Except I guess it was the final layer of the movie getting peeled back to reveal its subject.

I enjoyed the movie for what it was, and I enjoyed watching the 1968 special from inside the studio itself, I guess. There was no way I was going to go with my Dad, who grew up in the Lauderdale Apartments and would've been going THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT IS. (swidta?)

pplains, Sunday, 4 September 2022 21:26 (one year ago) link

For me it's not so much that the performances are recreated, altho I do also love period details for their own sake. But I'm just impressed with how the magic of movies gives the performances this fullness and saturation and emotional conviction that would be hard to get without attending the concert in person (and even then...?). Editing, closeups, little flourishes (the tiny shakes to the camera when Elvis leans in close to one of the other musicians and waves his hand to emphasize the beat)... Lots of ways that someone like Baz, who has no fear of going too cheesy or too maximalist, can try and make the whole theater seem to pulse when Elvis takes the stage.

Obviously these are things lots of filmmakers have weighed, both for fiction films and concert docs. And fair, Luhrmann takes a VERY specific approach here; I can accept that it's not gonna work for everyone!

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 4 September 2022 21:46 (one year ago) link

I think maybe I have a Robert Mitchum level love/hate relationship with film fetishistic attention to period detail but in this case it worked for me because it was keyed in with the performance, otherwise there would have been some uncanny valley narcissism of small differences to really bug me.

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 21:50 (one year ago) link

Also, rare is the film that feels like an ILM thread, but I would totally buy this whole enterprise beginning as an impassioned, multi-paragraph, second or third response to a 2002-era thread entitled, "Elvis Presleys's 'Vegas' period: rock 'n' roll gold, or gold-plated toilet?"

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 4 September 2022 21:51 (one year ago) link

complete with forehead-slapping typo to annoy posters for the next 2+ decades

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 4 September 2022 21:52 (one year ago) link

Lolll!

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 21:53 (one year ago) link

*karate punch*

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 21:53 (one year ago) link

Chang-Chang-a-chang-chang

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 21:54 (one year ago) link

Lord have mercy

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 21:54 (one year ago) link

(Bassline on standard live version of “Polk Salad Annie” is insane, so rubbery)

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 21:58 (one year ago) link

Thank you

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 21:59 (one year ago) link

(Bass is Funhouse-level driving)

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 22:00 (one year ago) link

recreating Vegas is kind of a feat in itself since there’s a lot of audio but not a huge amount of footage or photos to use as reference material so it’s quite a feat to recreate something like that that ~feels~ faithful

i fucking LOVE that gold curtain

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 September 2022 22:12 (one year ago) link

although I don't believe for a second the Colonel didn't know what Elvis was going to perform in the TV special ahead of time

yeah I think that was all horseshit for drama, along with Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in the middle of the special (he was killed months earlier).

akm, Monday, 5 September 2022 16:22 (one year ago) link

Tommy Lee Jones stole the film imo

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 September 2022 16:23 (one year ago) link

what now

akm, Monday, 5 September 2022 16:38 (one year ago) link

They actually did tape the TV special in June 1968, but taping commenced a couple of weeks after the RFK assassination. Close, but still fiction.

Josefa, Monday, 5 September 2022 17:04 (one year ago) link

yeah I think that was all horseshit for drama, along with Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in the middle of the special (he was killed months earlier).

― akm, Monday, September 5, 2022 12:22 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It's true that Parker being unaware of what Elvis would perform is simply not believable. However, Elvis began rehearsals for the special on June 3 (filming started on June 20), and Kennedy was shot on June 6.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 5 September 2022 17:05 (one year ago) link

ah ha, good to know.

akm, Monday, 5 September 2022 17:20 (one year ago) link

This week I found out the laughing version of Are You Lonesome Tonight was a UK hit. Which makes it one of two UK hits I'm aware of which are basically just laughing (Winx's Don't Laugh is the altogether very different other example).

you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 14:15 (one year ago) link

It’s a mighty big stage. You could get lost in a place like this.

When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 20:10 (one year ago) link

I think I've heard the laughing version of that song exactly once but the line "do you stare at your body and wish you had hair" has stuck with me

akm, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 20:19 (one year ago) link

I’d like to open a can of worms and ask why no Richard Nixon in the Luhrmann film? Wouldn’t fit the political narrative? I have my own opinions about why E trashed the Beatles to Nixon but that little incident might have added a layer of something to the film.

Also, no Ann-Margret. Another inconvenient character.

Josefa, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 23:51 (one year ago) link

parker doesn’t give a shit about those people for one

but also it’s a 2 hour movie covering his entire life as approved by his estate AND PRISCILLA & they’re sure not going to highlight any of his affairs incl Margaret & i dunno that Nixon only underlines how well & truly E had lost the plot which isn’t exactly what they’re going for

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 23:58 (one year ago) link

it’s not a can of worms
it’s just a different movie

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 23:59 (one year ago) link

I have no idea what Parker thought of those people but why is he driving the narrative? And Priscilla divorced him bc of affairs, which the thing with Ann-Margret was not, as that happened before Elvis was married

Josefa, Wednesday, 7 September 2022 00:04 (one year ago) link

Is it because of what happens on the road?

Jean Arthur Rank (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 7 September 2022 00:14 (one year ago) link

parker is driving the narrative bc it’s the whole concept of the movie ie elvis’s viewed through parkers eyes thats why .. to show elvis was part of the snowjob & not a babe in the woods

the thing w ann margaret happened while he was dating priscilla + while she was already living at graceland & if she’s signing off on the movie priscilla’s not going to sign off on AM being part of hers & e’s mythology

bc most of this movie is still mythology
its not about truthtelling

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 September 2022 00:19 (one year ago) link

I guess I do have a problem with the idea that “this whole thing is the story from the Colonel’s eyes” explains away all the flaws of the film. I still liked the film and thought much of the non-Colonel stuff worked really well.

Josefa, Wednesday, 7 September 2022 00:34 (one year ago) link

FWIW, the authorized mini-series with Jonathan Rhys Myers & Randy Quaid from 2005 devoted a bit of space to Ann-Margret (played by Rose McGowan).

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 7 September 2022 00:39 (one year ago) link

i’m not explaining anything away

you want the movie to be something that it’s not and i’m trying to explain the narrow world that the movie operates within by way of explaining why it can’t do the things you want it to do

i love ann margaret & e’s story and i think the nixon story is a great if not kinda depressing oddity but i can watch the movie & at least accept it within its own limited framework instead of wishing a frog had wings or whatever

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 September 2022 00:59 (one year ago) link

Nixon has nothing to do with Elvis' life. Neither gave a shit about the appearance.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 September 2022 01:00 (one year ago) link

Alfred, I agree, but it’s worth exploring why.

VG, you’re saying the film is the way it is because the director wanted it that way

I’m saying the director made some questionable choices and those are fair to criticize

Josefa, Wednesday, 7 September 2022 01:07 (one year ago) link

I wound up writing about 2000 words about this movie, and Elvis more broadly. It'll be published tomorrow.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 7 September 2022 01:07 (one year ago) link

Cool. Looking forward to reading it.

Jean Arthur Rank (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 7 September 2022 01:09 (one year ago) link

i give up

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 September 2022 01:11 (one year ago) link

https://www.radiotimes.com/movies/baz-luhrmann-elvis-4-hours-exclusive-newsupdate/

Luhrmann also revealed that an iconic moment from Elvis' life that doesn't make it into the film – his famous meeting with President Richard Nixon – was originally included in the film before he had to make some tough decisions.

"You know, the addiction to barbiturates and all of that, like what happens is he starts doing wackadoo things – like going down to see Nixon. I had it in there for a while but there just comes a point where you can't have everything in, so I just tried to track the spirit of the character."

pplains, Wednesday, 7 September 2022 02:28 (one year ago) link

Hoping it was Jamie Kennedy as RMN.

pplains, Wednesday, 7 September 2022 02:35 (one year ago) link

also in the category of unpursued wackadoo ideas in the 70s section, all the mentions of "the snowman" got me hoping Tom Parker would hallucinate that he was Jerry Reed's scampish second banana in Smokey and the Bandit, and that Burt Reynolds was another of his showbiz creations.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 7 September 2022 02:36 (one year ago) link

OK, so here's my whole write-up of the movie. Link to the newsletter, if you want to subscribe. Fair warning: I usually talk about free jazz, death metal, and/or modern classical music.

*****

I had no real desire to watch Baz Luhrmann’s movie Elvis. But it’s streaming on HBO Max, so I pulled it up this past weekend and checked it out. And after watching it, I’m kinda…not sure I did. It feels like I dreamed it. Not because it was “the Elvis biopic of my dreams” or anything like that. More like because it’s so fucking weird that it feels like I fell asleep with Martin Scorsese’s Casino playing on TV and Elvis songs playing on my laptop, and my brain decided to spin them into one thing.

I’ve only seen two other Baz Luhrmann movies: Strictly Ballroom, which I mostly hated because every character was a garish cartoon, and William Shakespeare’s Romeo + Juliet, about which I remember very little except that John Leguizamo and Harold Perrineau seemed to be having a hell of a lot more fun than Leonardo DiCaprio and Claire Danes. His whole thing is generally way more over-the-top in every way than I’m interested in. I don’t like musicals, and I don’t like the kind of pop music he uses to build his movies’ soundtracks, so there really wasn’t anything for me in Moulin Rouge! or The Great Gatsby. And why would I watch a movie called Australia when I could just watch Mad Max or Wake In Fright?

On the other hand, I love Elvis. His best 1950s songs have an energy that’s simply unmatched by other performers of the era. Though Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Bo Diddley, Hank Ballard and the Midnighters, and plenty of others recorded (and wrote) incredible songs, Elvis Presley was a genius at synthesis. He brought together elements of country, blues, gospel, and R&B with a reckless lack of consideration for what “belonged” with what, and the sly joy audible in every word made it seem like he was jovially punching you in the shoulder, and grabbing your ass at the same time. The other great performers of the early rock ’n’ roll era could mostly do one incredible thing. Little Richard whooped so loudly it’ll still make you think your headphones are going to fly off your head; Chuck Berry was one of the sharpest, wittiest lyrical observers America has ever produced, and the first punk rock guitar player; Bo Diddley was a bizarre and hilarious primitivist genius; Jerry Lee Lewis was a creature of pure lustful, rageful id; but Elvis was simultaneously a chameleon (as he famously said, “I sing all kinds”) and utterly, purely himself.

But here’s the thing. What makes Elvis truly amazing is that he died, professionally speaking, and came back better. After two years in the Army, he made exactly one good album — 1960’s Elvis Is Back! — before shitting out close to 30 movies in eight years. One or two of those are at least mildly diverting — he really wanted to be a serious actor at first, and could be intensely charismatic, with a skillful comic presence, when given the opportunity — but they were essentially a waste of his time and the public’s. It wasn’t until 1968 that he became a serious musician again, and when he did, holy fuck. From Elvis In Memphis is one of the greatest albums ever by anybody, and I’ve written extensively about his 1970s work, in which he got as close as he could to being an “album artist” in the rockist sense. Suffice it to say here that the best work he did in his final decade was the best music of his life. Do yourself a favor and dive in.

So what I liked about Elvis, the movie, was that it spends a significant amount of its running time (2 hours 40 minutes, you’ve been warned) in Las Vegas. In fact, I would say it’s about 45% rise-to-glory, 10% mid-career doldrums (one scene of him romancing a definitely-not-14-looking Priscilla, a montage of the title screens of all his shitty movies, and one scene where everybody talks about how shitty his movies are and how he’s wasting his life and his talent making them), and 45% VEGA$$$. And it’s that final third where Luhrmann really goes nuts.

There are some good scenes early on, like one where a pre-teen Elvis sneaks into a tent revival immediately after watching a blues singer perform for floor-crawling dancers in a tiny shack and is overcome by the music, as it all fuses together inside him, the wail of the blues and the ecstatic cries of the gospel choir somehow becoming elements of the One Thing that would become the sound of Elvis Presley. Later, we see the young hitmaker Elvis, disillusioned by his manager Col. Tom Parker’s attempts to make him into a family-friendly pop act (mostly to placate law enforcement and Southern legislators), hanging out with his friend B.B. King, watching Little Richard perform and eventually singing gospel songs with Sister Rosetta Tharpe. It’s absurd mythmaking (I mean, I suppose it could have happened something like that — it’s not like these people were massive, multi-million-selling acts back then, they were all struggling musicians to one degree or another; even Elvis was a regional phenomenon at first), but Luhrmann makes it work because he approaches it with a giddy earnestness that immunizes the movie against Walk Hard-style parody. And besides, Elvis’s life was so goddamn weird, it doesn’t even fit the music-biopic clichés. So turning it into a hallucinatory visual poem is absolutely the right choice.

Still, it’s only when we get to Vegas that we truly see the magic of Elvis the musician. The early performance sequences are just demonstrations of his shaky-legged appeal to 1950s teen girls, and they’re pretty funny. But when he films his 1968 “comeback special,” and Parker gets him his residency at the International Hotel (in order to stifle his dream of touring internationally, because Parker was secretly a fugitive from the Netherlands), Luhrmann actually shows us Elvis at work, building an enormous band with horns, male and female backing vocalists, and a string section, and rehearsing the fuck out of them until they’re delivering the spine-tingling performances that blew the walls down in that initial run of shows. He shows us that this guy was not just someone who got lucky; he was an artist who had a vision, and found the people to help him realize it.

A lot of this, mind you, is drawn straight from documentaries of the era like Elvis: That’s The Way It Is and Elvis On Tour. And if you just want to see some amazing music, you could very easily watch those instead. For example, Luhrmann includes a version of this incredible performance of “Suspicious Minds”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1g5tVGZhfk

But while he re-creates the interaction between Elvis and the band, especially drummer Ronnie Tutt, pretty well, he doesn’t include the moment starting at 3:20, when Elvis stalks across the stage like a tiger to toy with one of his backup singers. I don’t know why, but I suspect it was because Austin Butler, who kind of looks like Elvis if he were drawn by comic artist Mike Zeck, just doesn’t have the raw sexual charisma of the real guy. No one on Earth does.

Which reminds me of Elvis’s weirdest flaw: Luhrmann makes the puzzling decision to keep Butler at more or less his 1968 weight throughout the movie. I don’t know why; maybe he spent the whole prosthetics budget on the gear Tom Hanks is wearing to play Col. Parker. (I have no moral objection to fat suits, for the record. Art is artifice.) But it’s a little weird when we’re supposedly seeing Elvis in the final years of his life, sitting impassive in the back of his limousine while young Lisa Marie is transferred to Priscilla’s limousine, and Priscilla climbs in to weepily ask him to go to rehab, and he looks…fine. There’s only one moment in the movie when I think they even put a little bit of padding into Butler’s cheeks, and it’s at the very end, after he’s already died, and Luhrmann is showing us one of Elvis’s truly great final performances, a June 1977 version of the Righteous Brothers song “Unchained Melody” which he performed sitting at a piano. And after a few seconds, he cuts to footage of the real Elvis, fat and sweaty and a little out of it, but singing the fuck out of the song with operatic passion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfnZbjFPSrU

I didn’t love Elvis. But I didn’t hate it. And there were two big reasons for that. The first was that it is genuinely one of the three greatest evocations of Las Vegas on screen, the first of which is Casino and the second is the TV show CSI. Luhrmann’s vision of Las Vegas is every bit as bizarre, otherworldly, and dark as those two (a scene where Col. Parker sells Elvis to the gangsters who own the International Hotel to cover his own gambling debts is genuinely chilling), and at the same time he manages to posit it as the only place where a motherfucker as weird and supernatural as Elvis Presley could ever have truly been at home. And the second reason, which is connected to the first, is that Elvis the movie seems to have been made by a guy who understands Elvis. There’s a lot of talk early in the film about carnival life and suckering the rubes (the movie is narrated by Parker, which I think is a really good and interesting choice), but I don’t think Luhrmann actually believes Elvis was a freak or just an act, and he doesn’t believe Elvis fans were suckers. Throughout the film, their love of his music — of him — is portrayed as honest, elemental, and real. Just like Elvis.

In this movie’s telling (and in my understanding of the man, formed by listening to his music for close to 40 years), Elvis was smart and funny and an intuitive, instinctive musical performer who figured out fast what he could do that people would like, and then honed that diamond of an idea to razor sharpness. By the time he got to Las Vegas he knew exactly what he was doing. I mean, think about how fucking weird those white jumpsuits actually were in 1969. Nobody else was dressing like that onstage! But, and this is crucial, Elvis was impervious to irony. He sold the songs he sang, whether by Lieber & Stoller or Glen Campbell or Bob Dylan or whoever else, because he meant them. When he winked at the audience between songs, or told dumb self-deprecating jokes, it was to say, We’re all having fun together, not to say, I know this is corny crap and I bet you do, too. So when you attempt to ironize Elvis, you make yourself look like an asshole. And Baz Luhrmann gets that. Which is why Elvis works. It’s a hallucinatory brain-burst of a movie, but it’s 100% serious about its subject.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 7 September 2022 14:30 (one year ago) link


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