rolling #metoo thread for sexual harassment in the music industry so no one misses out when artists we don't give a fuck about like Tim Westwood and Bassnectar get caught

I think I am more interested in the prevention side of this issue than the punishment/consequences side.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera)

i don't see them as separable, frankly. patriarchal misogyny doesn't just _tolerate_ bad behavior, it _rewards_ it. men who treat women with respect, or fail to perform abusive behaviors that are taken to be _normative_ male behavior, are mocked and punished for it, while men who excel in abusing women disproportionately reach positions of power, prestige, and success. without justice, we will have no peace. once again, they have the power, we bear the consequences. i don't say this to be defeatist, but to suggest that we should work as allies, collectively, to oppose and dismantle systems of oppression. i believe that we _can_ and _must_ do this for education to have any real, lasting effect.

She was writing about where to put a finite amount of her own energy.

https://consequence.net/2022/08/arcade-fire-first-concert-sexual-misconduct-allegations/

wow that is a terrible "article"

Arcade Fire took the stage at Dublin’s at 3Arena in Dublin on Tuesday for

In Dublin

Dublin up

I bet Feist is regretting signing that tour contract... What a horrible situation to be in. The loss of income would be financially terrible, esp post Covid, but the emotional toll of keeping to the contract would also be terrible. It's a lose lose.

She was writing about where to put a finite amount of her own energy.

― The self-titled drags (Eazy)

shit my bad sorry ll, i'm not at my best today :(

Feist is donating proceeds from the merch at the Arcade Fire show tonight to Women’s Aid Dublin pic.twitter.com/36Q3lyYXSL

— kevin freeburn (@KevFreeburn) August 30, 2022

Kind of wishing this had its own thread. As much as a creep Win Butler clearly is, its looking like a 70% chance of completely blowing over like it did for Aziz Ansari and President Joe Biden and Pinegrove

Kind of wishing this had its own thread. As much as a creep Win Butler clearly is, its looking like a 70% chance of completely blowing over like it did for Aziz Ansari and President Joe Biden and Pinegrove

― Histoire de BradNelson (Whiney G. Weingarten)

can any good thing come out of Montclair?

Great book store. Used to have great record stores.

Probably preaching to a choir, education is important and must be improved but also limited. I’m certain Butler knew very well what he was doing was wrong, he just chose to ignore it, or maybe even he did it precisely because it is evil. As long as the judicial system doesn’t treat sexual harrasment like other crimes, education is facing too uphill a climb.

what the fuck are you talking about

Why are people so keen on shitting on/refuting the utility of education about consent? It makes you look like you don’t think it matters. You would be better served by spreading the word.

’m certain Butler knew very well what he was doing was wrong,

When did you guys talk?

Whether through luck or judgement, virtually no artist I really like has ever, to public knowledge, been an abuser, groomer, pest.

― imago

I'm not sure if you still hold Mansun in such high regard, but Paul Draper is known as being a creep with a history of inappropriate behaviour towards women. His rants about Laura Snapes earlier this year (when he threatened to quit the music industry) were because she'd been working on an article about his behaviour for a while. It all came to light a few years ago when that band Estrons pulled out of supporting him as he sent inappropriate messages to the singer after the first night of the tour. I don't think it has been widely reported though.

Judgment? How does that work when listening to some music?

I find it hard to believe that imago has never liked Swans

they never clicked, which I am extremely thankful for

I almost mentioned Draper in my post above! I still hold Mansun's work in high regard, yes - it certainly helps when the liked music pre-dates the apparently problematic period. I knew the Estrons incident - pathetic and extremely poor behaviour on his part - but didn't know Snapes had more dirt on him. His new album is almost insuperably bitter about this'n'that, some of which I presume to be his 'cancellation' - which doesn't exactly help matters. As I say, I know of the incident where he propositioned his tourmate on Facebook, and it's a black mark, but if there's more, well, I guess I'd better brace for it

Why are people so keen on shitting on/refuting the utility of education about consent? It makes you look like you don’t think it matters. You would be better served by spreading the word.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera)

it's a good question! for me it's a matter of radicalism vs. liberalism. there's this tendency for people with a liberal approach to oppose radical change on the grounds that it's unnecessary overreach, that liberal changes in and of themselves will bring about the desired results. basically i think that liberal approaches are necessary but not sufficient, and when people talk about liberal approaches as if they _are_ sufficient, it's an impediment to making radical change happen, and of, well, honestly, chastising radicals for not being more liberal. i think there's enough room for each of us to advocate for women in our own way!

https://pitchfork.com/news/feist-announces-shes-leaving-arcade-fire-tour-im-claiming-my-responsibility-now-and-going-home/

Nicely put, imo

Yes. Great response, I hope it reaches a lot of people.

Why are people so keen on shitting on/refuting the utility of education about consent? It makes you look like you don’t think it matters. You would be better served by spreading the word.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 1 September 2022 14:07 (four hours ago) link

I said education is important and must be improved, hardly refuting. To me a sexist education is only one facet of patriarchy and a lack of justice for victims is another and a very important one.

Why are people so keen on shitting on/refuting the utility of education about consent? It makes you look like you don’t think it matters. You would be better served by spreading the word.

― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, September 1, 2022 7:07 AM (five hours ago)

totally -- some of my work is basically in "harm reduction" (not related to sexual assault) and the education/prevention aspect to that concept is a major thing! Like, what LL is talking about is a way to improve prevention of shitty things happening to people. Like, I feel that we are all compassionate, thoughtful people that agree that sexual assault (et al) is bad, and that we want to reduce, if not eliminate the bad things. I know I have a tendency to be impatient with radical idealism that doesn't focus on praxis and prevention/harm reduction, and I am trying to not take out a bunch of IRL frustration on this thread.

This is pretty niche electronic music scene but Asquith who runs the Lobster Theremin label has been accused of grooming and sexual assault by the artist INEZ.

Resident Advisor pulled their first attempt to cover this because they tagged the accuser and posted her picture.

Lobster Theremin founder Jimmy Asquith has been accused of coercing, grooming and sexually assaulting Glasgow artist INEZ. He denies the allegations. https://t.co/XrwhhNGHzB

— Resident Advisor (@residentadvisor) October 3, 2022

ugh, I don't really know anything about the personnel or personalities behind this label, but it's recently been a big favorite of mine. Very disappointing to find out this what they are.

Yeah tbh I had words with someone who posted “everything on this label sucks!” Like no some of it is quite good for the fairly formulaic genre styles they generally stick with. Idk is UKG the new magnet for all the d-bags from the d&b scene? I’m so out of the loop.

(In no way meant to defend the accused in case that wasn’t totally clear.)

I hope there's a way this ends with this asshole removed from the loop but all the many musicians still having a supportive label.

Most of the musicians are already doing their best to drop any association with him or his label from what I’ve seen.

I hope there's a way this ends with this asshole removed from the loop but all the many musicians still having a supportive label.

I think it's the opposite, everyone else who was working for the label left, and now he's running it himself. I saw a near-comical number of producers say they were pulling their upcoming releases, but it can be complicated to pull back catalog without the label's cooperation depending on how digital distro is done.

I had only a passing familiarity with the label, saw the name a lot but that's about it. From all the stories coming out he certainly sounds like a shitty dude.

it's a shame because they were putting out a ton of music across a pretty wide range of styles, and there was quite a lot of good stuff from up-and-coming producers, I hope these musicians end up being able to continue elsewhere

I could do without all the nu trance crap. (Incidentally he also ran the biggest techno meme page on Instagram afaik.)

They have a lot of imprints/sub-labels that are not obviously connected too, like a friend released on this one: https://cheekymusicgroup.bandcamp.com/

right, their releases are all over the place (although I'm sure I've liked plenty of the nu trance stuff), but I totally understand the urge to say I never liked them in the first place

which seems to be a common response every time something like this happens

Plenty of his artists have complained of poor business practices, opaque money finagling in the wake of this. I like some of the music they’ve put out, but im not gonna miss the involvement of that Asquith dweeb

I mean, I’m pretty sure every artist on Lobster Theramin has released records on other labels… if that’s really the first thing that you think of when you hear about this shit.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/rex-orange-county-charged-six-counts-sexual-assault-london-1234608276/

More Win Butler accusations

https://pitchfork.com/news/fifth-person-details-arcade-fire-frontman-win-butlers-allegedly-manipulative-toxic-behavior/amp/

Nick Carter, an incident from 2001

https://www.tmz.com/2022/12/08/nick-carter-sued-sexual-battery-alcohol-minor-backstreet-boys/

https://www.loudersound.com/news/jani-lanes-ex-says-warrant-singer-was-drugged-and-raped-by-fellow-musician

This is actually a few years old, and is a blind item, but I just learned Jani Lane was the victim of sexual assault early in Warrant's career.

Worth mentioning that all charges against Rex Orange County (linked above) have been dropped.

rapper shy glizzy: https://www.thefader.com/2023/01/03/shy-glizzy-accused-of-sexual-misconduct

tom sachs, shoe jerk off

https://www.curbed.com/article/tom-sachs-studio-employees-office-culture.html

shockingly someone who proudly displays a swastika, one that would probably be described by them as "ironic", turns out to be a raging asshole

omg this is the same person as the awful executive assistant job ad?!!!