also i don't think the "it's just party music" point means that what djs do is boring, just that it's ephemeral and about celebration, which can be a liberating realization imo.
xp yep it's really just about being in a network of people irl where they kind of start becoming akin to family... it's also not something that can happen *just through* the internet although i think the internet can support it.
― (grim) pump track (wales) (map), Sunday, 28 August 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link
Some of us have babies and stopped listening to dance music in proper social settings :,( the only way to find bobbins is in threads like this.
I just want music to run to or to bob my head to while having some me time while sipping wine at 10pm. For those of you who are still out there, keep the bobbins you find in the wild coming.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 28 August 2022 17:50 (one year ago) link
hey moka i relate to that, even though i don't have babies, i never go out anymore and my main productive listening time is when i'm running! i am looking for new bobbins on a weekly basis, some of it is admittedly a little corny, but i would like to contribute more as i still find ilm a really valuable resource.
― (grim) pump track (wales) (map), Sunday, 28 August 2022 17:55 (one year ago) link
Belatedly, can confirm that "bobbins" originally meant "rolling thread" - there were a couple of threads literally called "Rolling X Thread" in 2004 like for country, teen-pop etc but I think dance sub-trends were the first case of ILM doing year-specific rolling threads for things, so we ended up with "Electro-House Bobbins 2005". I think the fact that the term ended up only being used for dance stuff (and specifically techno and house) was kind of a historical quirk?
― Tim F, Sunday, 28 August 2022 19:03 (one year ago) link
i'm glad people have cleared up the origin of the name, it makes a lot more sense than what was in my warped memory lol.
― (grim) pump track (wales) (map), Sunday, 28 August 2022 19:14 (one year ago) link
i don’t want to come off as overly judgmental here, so having failed at that, i’ll clarify just one more time
i’ll always have space on my shelf for “aesthetics of rock” and “philosophy of modern music” (lol) and “more brilliant than the sun”. the last one maybe most relevant here (though meltzer probably also relevant to the lizard brain rave / warehouse / big room stuff i love). it’s imaginative and exciting and fun and set the tone for 25 years, but is it right? when you listen to 4hero stretching breaks actually experiencing time travel? i dunno, maybe!
and there’s a third stream of stuff, that talks about the effect that formal properties and social relations have on you yourself (that also doesn’t then need to stretch itself into global conclusions) that a lot of people are really good at! i sometimes ignore this stuff, because if i don’t relate to the writer’s experience i find it hard to get into it, but i’m thinking of things like kogan’s writing or tim f’s yearly roundups.
but leaving that stuff aside, compared to the first form (of explaining the music, thinkpiece style) i think it’s always going to be more valuable to focus on the stories of the people (producers, promoters, above all maybe fans and listeners) rather than the focus too much on the music itself. so if i’m going to read music writing now i’d rather read things like “techno rebels”, veloso’s “tropical truth”, stolzoff’s “wake the town and tell the people” or matos’s “underground is massive”, to name a few, because i think they really tell the story of the music and listeners vs extrapolating a story about the listening experience from the music itself
tldr: imo history, hermeneutics >> semiotics, sociology
― the late great, Sunday, 28 August 2022 20:08 (one year ago) link
Great and illuminating posts, tlg!
i’m an american, been around since it first “dropped”, and this never did not make sense to me. although maybe i misunderstand it? i’d heard the expression “bits and bobs” a lot growing up (to mean a collection of random things) and always assumed “bobbins” was a particularly british version of that expression
I'm also an American and a regular lurker on this thread and I love the word bobbins in this context. I love it so much I created a folder called “various bobbins” comprised exclusively of stuff I learn about in these threads. It helps me keep track of stuff.
enhanced by lack of actual knowledge or understanding of dj'ing, production, distribution networks, regional scenes, actual party culture, etc― the late great, Sunday, August 28, 2022 12:51 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
I think I understand all of this, basically, but the distribution network part. I always wonder how so many labels are able to produce so much vinyl so quickly, and just assumed it was some insider bobbin mystery or a secret pressing plant that only DJs know about
Sorry to derail. Love this thread
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 28 August 2022 21:50 (one year ago) link
bobbins also extremely search-friendlygreat posts all
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 29 August 2022 10:20 (one year ago) link
Move D • The Boogie Lander - Reggie Dokes Other Worldly Jazz Remix (Pandemix Live Jams Vol. 5 B2)
this is an incredible tune!
― corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 31 August 2022 07:33 (one year ago) link
also appreciate the posts upthread, good read
can't remember last time I went to a club but I know I loved it, should go again, there's a good one not far from where I live and friends do monthly nights/mornings
― corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 31 August 2022 07:51 (one year ago) link
this is not exactly a bobbins, but ... speaking of histories ...
https://tresorberlin.com/product/tresor-true-stories-english/
― the late great, Wednesday, 31 August 2022 15:24 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4TXhv2fe3w
Tri.Al.Trip - Truffles Mayo
outdoorsy shenanigans from Slovenia
― saer, Wednesday, 31 August 2022 18:15 (one year ago) link
I like that one a lot.
I always think of bobbins as meaning “a bit rubbish”, probably not helped by the original "electro house bobbins” thread because, well, a lot of “electro house” really was quite bobbins.
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 31 August 2022 22:39 (one year ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/QAuZe6h.png
― saer, Thursday, 1 September 2022 05:29 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0YDZqeKMnU
Man/ipulate - Primary
seafront sounds from Marseille
― saer, Thursday, 1 September 2022 05:45 (one year ago) link
new Lea Lisa on Phonica, gorgeous early 90s UK techno throwback/homagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB9ArCIow4k
― donna rouge, Thursday, 1 September 2022 13:56 (one year ago) link
sort of echoing that move d pandemix thing in a way
mark e - heartaches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCxQZDKYYVE
― (grim) pump track (wales) (map), Thursday, 1 September 2022 20:07 (one year ago) link
160 bpm breakbeat acid juke? yes sir, i can hardcore
ebb “blue energy drink”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77gghTO2kOU
― the late great, Saturday, 3 September 2022 04:11 (one year ago) link
hello party crew! as you may or may not know South Africa (Mzansi) is the world’s prime House Nation. it’s the only place in the world where six+-minute tracks informed by Mr Fingers, Chicago, acid and other house variations fill up the pop charts on the regular. did you folx even know a bobbin is a South African delicacy? all of this to say that I’m hoping this poll I created might get the amapiano party fired up again on ILM, because we’re seriously logging… lagging behind. here’s your invitation - I hope you will all participate:drowning in a blissful ocean of log drums and keys: 🎹🎹 amapiano a-z 🎹🎹 an ilm poll
― big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 5 September 2022 15:17 (one year ago) link
Happy to see Sascha Funke back on Kompakt. Not micro in the least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zf9KqVxsfc
― death generator (lukas), Monday, 5 September 2022 21:53 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjU0mwBSUWw
Tri.Al.Trip - Izistegagozda
The other side of Truffles Mayo. This one slipped past at first but I've ended up liking it as much as the other side, more of an MBG vibe on particularly in the second half once the substitutions were made
― saer, Tuesday, 6 September 2022 04:52 (one year ago) link
new Nikki Nair single is insane (150bpm electro vibes)
https://soundcloud.com/djmag/premiere-nikki-nair-where-r-u
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 September 2022 17:41 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddX0SVT8qoI
Ted Amber - Looperman
bicycling
― saer, Friday, 9 September 2022 02:05 (one year ago) link
jesus
― death generator (lukas), Friday, 9 September 2022 02:38 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvLVXxkspJk
Andy Catana - Wav Encore
lil box o tricks from Vienna
― saer, Friday, 9 September 2022 15:47 (one year ago) link
I had forgotten Pantha Du Prince existed, last album I heard from him was Black Noise in 2010, but got a notification he released a new album today.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 9 September 2022 18:12 (one year ago) link
richy ahmed - bad boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNX5TOhejKY
― (grim) pump track (wales) (map), Friday, 9 September 2022 21:55 (one year ago) link
That Nikki Nair EP is out btw, the a-side is really some shit
https://nikkinair.bandcamp.com/album/renormalization-support-group
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 9 September 2022 22:00 (one year ago) link
matias aguayo - el camaron (ricardo villalobos remix)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs8bRgCovTY
― (grim) pump track (wales) (map), Friday, 9 September 2022 22:03 (one year ago) link
i would break out of that ^ at either 3 minutes or 6 minutes tbh.
i wanted to say something about the richy ahmed track but wasn't sure exactly what. i guess the main thing is the interplay between the synth line and the vocal. that tension is ridden out perfectly. the rhythm track is another simple but choice thing about it.
― (grim) pump track (wales) (map), Friday, 9 September 2022 22:59 (one year ago) link
denyl brook - tenacity ep on shall not fade has some heaters on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZCQkPEuvk
― donna rouge, Saturday, 10 September 2022 23:52 (one year ago) link
Nice minimal house bobbins from a friend:https://liquidcitymotors.bandcamp.com/track/forest-child-vocal-mix
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 12 September 2022 16:17 (one year ago) link
I'm getting started on DeForrest Brown's book, anybody read it?
― death generator (lukas), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 21:25 (one year ago) link
i don't love everything robert owens has been involved with lately, and this one is a little sappy tbh but i love the piano
robert owens, janne tavi - naked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcOn44ytKrQ
― ꙮ (map), Friday, 23 September 2022 01:04 (one year ago) link
it’s the title track of his brand new album, his first in 12 years
― big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Friday, 23 September 2022 05:57 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-kznsUgfx8
Velvet Velour - Show You The Door
inarguable
― saer, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 07:25 (one year ago) link
also by Velvet Velour, from last year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofP38o5mCMA
Velvet Velour - Arrivederci
― saer, Friday, 7 October 2022 06:15 (one year ago) link
that Precipitation album is just the best thing, thx to whoever posted upthread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaJeoSCMg0E
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 16:57 (one year ago) link
glad you enjoyed it! he also put this out earlier in the year, which i think is an amazing track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-67hy4vJM0Precipitation – Reina’s Theme
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 21:17 (one year ago) link
talking of japanese stuff, have been absolutely rinsing this gorgeous thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbrBv3QJU48Archipelago Soundsystem - Txirimiri Jaz Tek [NC4K]
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 21:25 (one year ago) link
this has been a favourite this year too, seems quite underworld-esque?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgrlAjx4SmoMaroki - ICBT1
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 11 October 2022 21:35 (one year ago) link
love that Maroki. and Archipelago reminded me of this Leo Pol track that flips that same vocal (from SWV's Rain). Both put it to great use!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndbWLv6LN3E
― anza808, Wednesday, 12 October 2022 04:11 (one year ago) link
We all need some Heaters this winter.
Dircsen -- Nervous Disorder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8L-XTzsfqk
― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 13 October 2022 16:51 (one year ago) link
I could totally imagine hearing Craig Richards playing that Velvet Velour - Show You The Door track in Fabric Room 1 back in the 00s. Not a dis :D
― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 13 October 2022 16:59 (one year ago) link
Room 1 feel for sure!
― saer, Sunday, 16 October 2022 20:55 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtUhDoSwOFM
Alec Falconer, Harry Wills, & 2 step Bec- Working On Myself
no more alarms, no more early starts. no more traffic, and no one on the trains!
― saer, Sunday, 16 October 2022 21:01 (one year ago) link
what a jam!
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 17 October 2022 10:37 (one year ago) link
so good
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 17 October 2022 11:47 (one year ago) link
can't seem to find a copy anywhere - all sold out. shame these things don't get put out on digital too
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 17 October 2022 11:48 (one year ago) link
dog latin, there's a few for sale on the cogs: https://www.discogs.com/sell/release/19594933?ev=rb
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 17 October 2022 13:38 (one year ago) link