Did you guys really read the whole story?
Yaretzi, the young woman in the story who wanted to work for real change - things like counselors for victims, for example - thought that putting up lists of "known abusers"was counterproductive. "Her intent was to lay blame at the feet of the school district, not specific young men."
The guy's ex-girlfriend seemed to have forgiven him:
The vice-principal told Fiona she could file a police report. She didn’t want to do that. (Diego had not disseminated the photo.) In communication with her family, however, the school made a plan to help Diego and Fiona repair. Fiona’s family, the vice-principal wrote in an email to Diego’s, made two requests: 1. That all pictures are deleted from every possible device, cloud, storage/media platform, etc. 2. That it be made clear to Diego and his family that this was a serious violation that is having an impact on the student’s overall well-being.Done and done. As individuals, at the beginning, the two had managed this incident okay. Fiona had no interest in getting back together. But a couple of weeks after their breakup, when Diego was still eating only a handful of peanut-butter pretzels a day, they’d met at the beach and talked. “I was like, ‘I don’t appreciate getting treated like an abuser,’ ” Diego said. “And she’s like, ‘I don’t think you’re an abuser at all. I know that.’ ” But this had grown way beyond them.
1. That all pictures are deleted from every possible device, cloud, storage/media platform, etc.
2. That it be made clear to Diego and his family that this was a serious violation that is having an impact on the student’s overall well-being.
Done and done. As individuals, at the beginning, the two had managed this incident okay. Fiona had no interest in getting back together. But a couple of weeks after their breakup, when Diego was still eating only a handful of peanut-butter pretzels a day, they’d met at the beach and talked. “I was like, ‘I don’t appreciate getting treated like an abuser,’ ” Diego said. “And she’s like, ‘I don’t think you’re an abuser at all. I know that.’ ” But this had grown way beyond them.
My problem is certainly not with holding rapists and sexual assaulters accountable! I also don't want innocent people to get swept up in a witch-hunt, or for young people to have their lives ruined over a forgivable mistake - whether criminal or not. This is where the usual restorative justice routines might make sense, if they were moderated by the right person, perhaps? Obviously it wouldn't be ok to force assault victims into a restorative justice session with their abusers, but if the offense falls short of assault, maybe it would be better than just letting a bunch of kids get all Lord of the Flies on each other.
― DJI, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 00:48 (one year ago) link
I mean, she's forgiven him based on the testimony of Diego. I don't think the guy is an unforgivable monster, but I thought the story was really weirdly written - it seems desperate to make you sympathize with him, going on about how beautiful his girlfriend was, as if he couldn't help but want to show off her nude photos to people. It only gives you second-hand, glancing accounts of the innocent people who were swept up, while giving you endless detail about the tragedy of the guy who did something fucked up. But his life isn't ruined - I'm sure the rest of his high school experience was indeed stressful and painful, even if he went to four proms (!), but he's graduated and does not have to exist in the drama mill of high school for the rest of his life. Clearly the school handled the entire situation terribly, but the article would have been a lot more effective without "he's really a good kid!" in every other paragraph.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 01:35 (one year ago) link
god just fuck off DJI.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 02:53 (one year ago) link
Go piss up a rope with Noel emits
― brimstead, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 02:55 (one year ago) link
^ winning hearts and minds one "fuck off" at a time
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 02:58 (one year ago) link
well gyac already said everything that needed saying. you're just feeling superior, as usual
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 03:00 (one year ago) link
you're just feeling superior
and brimstead, ofc, was just feeling, uh, smugly, morally... (looks for a word that means 'superior', while avoiding the blatant irony of it. fails. seeks an alternative, gentler approach)
go piss up a rope, sleeve
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 03:14 (one year ago) link
― more difficult than I look (Aimless)
i'm sorry, i don't know the social dynamics involved, what are you doing here again?
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 05:43 (one year ago) link
dick measuring, apparently.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 05:53 (one year ago) link
i will say that i am, in fact, grateful to brimstead for telling dji to "fuck off". to me, that's allyship. in a practical sense, telling dji to fuck off isn't something i can really do anymore, so i'm glad that brimstead did.
as far as aimless goes... thank you for getting your dick out on stage. is there a joke you're trying to set up by doing this, or were you just trying to be edgy for the sake of it?
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 14:22 (one year ago) link
Glad I could provide some catharsis.
― DJI, Wednesday, 17 August 2022 14:38 (one year ago) link
fuck off
― (grim) pump track (wales) (map), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 14:57 (one year ago) link
― DJI
fuck off, you didn't provide jack shit in terms of catharsis. you provided a hostile environment, you want to take credit for that, be my fucking guest
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 15:02 (one year ago) link
gyac otm throughout obviously
― here 1st (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 17 August 2022 20:18 (one year ago) link
Now that the dust settled I'm curious what people now think of that original atlantic article scott posted in 2015?
― Evan, Thursday, 18 August 2022 20:49 (one year ago) link
you know what's funny is a lot of my liberal friends who have full-on embraced safe spaces and are sympathetic to triggers were positively railing against this article back then.
mocking the idea outright. guessing Trump brought them around to seeing their benefit.
― Weltanschauung Dunston (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 August 2022 20:53 (one year ago) link
there were a lot of things that i had to have very patiently explained to me by people who knew a lot better than i did. i'm grateful that they took the time. it wasn't their responsibility to do so.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 18 August 2022 21:45 (one year ago) link
still very dumb moral panic stuff. just tries to tie a bunch of unrelated anecdotes into the idea that content warnings are bad and coddling students, it's a very weak argument.
― ufo, Friday, 19 August 2022 00:22 (one year ago) link
Anything that resolves to "kids these days amirite" should be rejected out of hand and anyone pushing it should be ridiculed at every opportunity.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 19 August 2022 00:27 (one year ago) link
^^^^Words to live by but damn does it get hard as you get older.
― Abel Ferrara hard-sci-fi elevator pitch (PBKR), Friday, 19 August 2022 01:03 (one year ago) link
― papal hotwife (milo z)
kids these days are based af amirite
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 19 August 2022 01:41 (one year ago) link
heh, I was going to say that includes zoomer fetishism to a lesser degree
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 19 August 2022 01:45 (one year ago) link
The excellent If Books Could Kill podcast recently did an episode of the The Coddling Of The American Mind book, no spoiler to say they were not very impressed.https://pod.link/1651876897
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Tuesday, 4 April 2023 20:45 (one year ago) link
Ooo, I love Michael Hobbes on Maintenance Phase, will check that out.
― got it in the blood, the kid's a pelican (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 21:36 (one year ago) link
that pod is great (and so is the ep)
― symsymsym, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 01:19 (one year ago) link